10 year show cause/NCAA, Tyndall discussion (merged)

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bleedingTNorange said:
You're looking at composite, not their national rankings, 247 has him at #78 in their national rankings...thus Buzz's statement was false.
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My apologies. I was so wrapped up in the idea of consensus or composite that I overstepped my boundary. However, as much as I like Stokes, he is not the franchise player that others we play are pulling in. Plus, many of our opponents in the SEC already have top 100 talent returning from last season.

This season is not looking great, with what he has signed, and next season will also be tough, unless the '16 recruits way out perform their rankings.
 
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buzz4tennessee said:
My apologies. I was so wrapped up in the idea of consensus or composite that I overstepped my boundary. However, as much as I like Stokes, he is not the franchise player that others we play are pulling in. Plus, many of our opponents in the SEC already have top 100 talent returning from last season.

This season is not looking great, with what he has signed, and next season will also be tough, unless the '16 recruits way out perform their rankings.
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How in the hell does WKU pull a 5 star center?
 
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buzz4tennessee said:
In 17 years at Texas, Barnes recruited 31 top 100 bb players. Tony Basilio said yesterday that Barnes has now been at UT for 513 days, or almost 1 and 1/2 years, and has not recruited his first top 100 player. Even if he gets one of the players who are now considering us, he will still be without a consensus top 100 player going into his 3rd year in 2017. Isaiah Stokes is ranked 60th by espn, but is not ranked in the top 100 anywhere else.

When it comes to postseason tournaments, Barnes teams have only been shutout 3 times in his career...the 3rd was last season. However, in his waning tenure at Texas, his team did go to the CBI by paying their own way and lost to Houston in the first round. Additionally, only once in all of his teams postseason tournaments did they receive an automatic bid.

Back to recruiting here at Tennessee, Basilio says that next year's squad will be filled by players that Desmond Oliver was actually recruiting to UNC-Charlotte; players that mostly made their resumes playing in private school leagues.

Is there anything in this post that is untrue or fabricated? If so, please point out those mistakes. I realize that the imbeciles will be more than willing to attack me rather than the facts.
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1. Barnes has recruited plenty of top-100 recruits while at Tennessee.

2. Isaiah Stokes is ranked in the top-100 by 2 services (Espn and 247). I'm sure you'll discredit that though because it isn't a consensus and thus fits your agenda. Edit: Nevermind, you already attempted to discredit it...

"However, as much as I like Stokes, he is not the franchise player that others we play are pulling in."
 
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cncchris33 said:
1. Barnes has recruited plenty of top-100 recruits while at Tennessee.

2. Isaiah Stokes is ranked in the top-100 by 2 services (Espn and 247). I'm sure you'll discredit that though because it isn't a consensus and thus fits your agenda. Edit: Nevermind, you already attempted to discredit it...

"However, as much as I like Stokes, he is not the franchise player that others we play are pulling in."
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I haven't seen his name on our roster. Are there any others?
 
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calban said:
We might need to start hiring some uncles.
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Why not give it a year or two and see what happens? Partner hired the Lawson's father and what did that get Memphis, you've gotta win and stay out of trouble if your Barnes, he has chosen the way he feels best to accomplish that, let's see if it works.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Why not give it a year or two and see what happens? Partner hired the Lawson's father and what did that get Memphis, you've gotta win and stay out of trouble if your Barnes, he has chosen the way he feels best to accomplish that, let's see if it works.
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No choice on how long he's here now.
Was hoping we hired the vintage Barnes.
I don't know this guy.
 
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calban said:
No choice on how long he's here now.
Was hoping we hired the vintage Barnes.
I don't know this guy.
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I think trying to make any sort of definitive claim or prediction a year and a half in to this rebuild is foolish, but people are welcome to their opinions.
 
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cncchris33 said:
I think you need to freshen up on the definition of 'recruited'. Barnes has recruited plenty of top-100 kids. He hasn't landed any, but you said recruited, not signed.
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Purely semantics! Most here know that saying "has recruited" means that someone has committed. Similarly, many here say "signed", even though the player has only committed. The odds are heavy that the commit will sign on the proper date to do so.

The subject here is "who have we received commitments from that we were recruiting"...past or present. Once they have signed, then they were recruited. The odds are overwhelming that a commit will sign at the due time.

This is how discussions go here at VolNation. Instead of using common sense, some wish to divert the attention from the subject at hand since it makes them feel uncomfortable.
 
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What a lot of people fail to realize is that sometimes athletes commit and sign with schools based on "the school" and not "the coach". With so many bb players having strong bb reputations in Texas, it is difficult to know which criteria they used when they signed during Barnes' tenure.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
I think trying to make any sort of definitive claim or prediction a year and a half in to this rebuild is foolish, but people are welcome to their opinions.
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Not just based on his few months here. From what I've read about him he's a completely different guy than the one that brought
Texas to prominence. Didn't realize it until I saw him in action last season. Rumors confirmed.
Ignore the red flags. Yes, everyone is entitled to their opinion, foolish or no.
 
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calban said:
Not just based on his few months here. From what I've read about him he's a completely different guy than the one that brought
Texas to prominence. Didn't realize it until I saw him in action last season. Rumors confirmed.
Ignore the red flags. Yes, everyone is entitled to their opinion, foolish or no.
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Yup, I'm sure the roster he inherited has nothing to do with they style of play. He has said we need to add size and that's what he's attempting to do, land Uyaeluno and either of the other guys and it's a good start.

The biggest key IMO is stability, can Barnes recruit guys willing to develop and stick it out? Guys transferring after 1 year is becoming very routine, however we've seen what guys like Armani and Josh can become if they stick it out all 4 years. If Barnes can keep the majority of his classes together and develop them I believe he can be successful here without having to recruit the way he did at Texas.

Maybe that's a foolish opinion, only time will tell.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Yup, I'm sure the roster he inherited has nothing to do with they style of play. He has said we need to add size and that's what he's attempting to do, land Uyaeluno and either of the other guys and it's a good start.
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I'm really not the only one that thought he gave up on his big guys way too soon last season.
The result was, McGhee left and he just didn't bother messing with Kasongo.
Your attitude in that regard i guess is that they weren't that talented to worry about.
I'll say this. I'll bet Prohm makes a player out of Kasongo. bump it in 2 years and I'll buy you a steak dinner if wrong.
Barnes reinvented egocentric style cost him last season. He clearly showed he won't have the patience to deal with any of the problematic personalities that come with the future pro guys.

If he misses on Uyaelunmo and Stokes, I don't see much hope.
 
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calban said:
I'm really not the only one that thought he gave up on his big guys way too soon last season.
The result was, McGhee left and he just didn't bother messing with Kasongo.
Your attitude in that regard i guess is that they weren't that talented to worry about.
I'll say this. I'll bet Prohm makes a player out of Kasongo. bump it in 2 years and I'll buy you a steak dinner if wrong.
Barnes reinvented egocentric style cost him last season. He clearly showed he won't have the patience to deal with any of the problematic personalities that come with the future pro guys.

If he misses on Uyaelunmo and Stokes, I don't see much hope.
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Cost him last season??? So if he sticks with Kasongo and McGhee then they make the NCAAT or NIT? Don't think so.

And I said if he lands guys there's hope, if he misses on those guys then my outlook definitely drops as a result.

Again, anyone trying to make a definitive claim at this point needs to have their head examined.

PS: on Kasongo, "a player" is a pretty generic claim, are you suggesting he'll be all conference? NBA draft pick? Double double guy?
 
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calban said:
I'm really not the only one that thought he gave up on his big guys way too soon last season.
The result was, McGhee left and he just didn't bother messing with Kasongo.
Your attitude in that regard i guess is that they weren't that talented to worry about.
I'll say this. I'll bet Prohm makes a player out of Kasongo. bump it in 2 years and I'll buy you a steak dinner if wrong.
Barnes reinvented egocentric style cost him last season. He clearly showed he won't have the patience to deal with any of the problematic personalities that come with the future pro guys.

If he misses on Uyaelunmo and Stokes, I don't see much hope.
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Steve Prohm, along with Will Wade and others, were those who gained no consideration after Donnie was fired. Many thought that experience in the short term was more important than an up and coming coach with a very impressive resume.

Iowa State, who had just seen very successful Coach Fred Hoiberg hired into the NBA, had no fear in extending Prohm an invitation to lead their program. As we know, Will Wade is proving how much coaching talent that he possesses and I predict that it will be sooner, rather than later, when he is leading a Power 5 university in their bb program.
 
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buzz4tennessee said:
Steve Prohm, along with Will Wade and others, were those who gained no consideration after Donnie was fired. Many thought that experience in the short term was more important than an up and coming coach with a very impressive resume.

Iowa State, who had just seen very successful Coach Fred Hoiberg hired into the NBA, had no fear in extending Prohm an invitation to lead their program. As we know, Will Wade is proving how much coaching talent that he possesses and I predict that it will be sooner, rather than later, when he is leading a Power 5 university in their bb program.
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You know what Buzz, I hope for everyone sake he's the next coach at UT, then maybe all this clutter about coaches will stop.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Cost him last season??? So if he sticks with Kasongo and McGhee then they make the NCAAT or NIT? Don't think so.

And I said if he lands guys there's hope, if he misses on those guys then my outlook definitely drops as a result.

Again, anyone trying to make a definitive claim at this point needs to have their head examined.

PS: on Kasongo, "a player" is a pretty generic claim, are you suggesting he'll be all conference? NBA draft pick? Double double guy?
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Don't complain! You stand to be eating steak soon. You have nothing to lose and everything to gain.
 
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buzz4tennessee said:
Purely semantics! Most here know that saying "has recruited" means that someone has committed. Similarly, many here say "signed", even though the player has only committed. The odds are heavy that the commit will sign on the proper date to do so.

The subject here is "who have we received commitments from that we were recruiting"...past or present. Once they have signed, then they were recruited. The odds are overwhelming that a commit will sign at the due time.

This is how discussions go here at VolNation. Instead of using common sense, some wish to divert the attention from the subject at hand since it makes them feel uncomfortable.
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Doesn't make me feel uncomfortable at all. I said from the beginning that Barnes was the 'safe' hire and wasn't the answer if we were looking for a coach to take us to the heights we saw in the mid-late 2000s. I've mentioned that countless times and been completely transparent in that stance, which is a fact that you continually ignore because it deflates your agenda against Barnes supporters.

Unlike you, I'm a Tennessee supporter, not a Coach X supporter.
 
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buzz4tennessee said:
Steve Prohm, along with Will Wade and others, were those who gained no consideration after Donnie was fired. Many thought that experience in the short term was more important than an up and coming coach with a very impressive resume.
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You have absolutely no idea what coaches were or weren't given consideration. Just more of your tin-foil hat conspiracy theories.
 
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