Obama says we aren't as divided as some may think

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Left-most politics has its acolytes, for sure. Before they "felt the Bern," some took to disrupting Sanders' speeches and rallies. Ah, but American leftists pale compared to the right.

The right has sinned, sinned again, and sins some more, but they do not hesitate to throw stones. Acolytes of the howler monkeys of talk media mimic their bombastic belligerence, caustic chauvinism, and callous disrespect for all who do not surrender reason, volunteer for ignorance, and parrot their disposition. Alas, the right has abandoned any moral underpinnings while simultaneously claiming moral high ground, projecting the unsubstantiated confidence of certainty. If you have lived long enough, you would lament the loss of true conservatism along with me.

Reagan is still lionized by right wingers to this day (No Republican since has produced any inspiration). People conveniently forget that 138 members of Reagan's administrations were indicted for high crimes & misdemeanors (more than any administration before or since), and that after chiding Jimmy Carter for championing a budget that ran a $79 billion deficit, Reagan presided over larger deficits than any precedent, more than trebling the national by the end of his two terms. Also left out of glossy memories of Uncle Ron are the legacy of his campaign tactics - encouraging Americans not to think about the challenges facing our nation, but rather to feel good about themselves and express pride in their country, the southern strategy (looking the other way in the face of systemic unspoken racism), and the leveraging of then fledgling talk radio's focus on the first of these.

How does the Republican party end up with the presumptive presidential nominee, Donald Trump? Look to Reagan to see the beginnings of the path to today.

Division in our society isn't Obama's doing, and to say that he has encouraged it for political purpose can only be politely describe as disingenuous. Obama is a left leaning Democrat of the FDR mold, and his requests of Congress reflect that, unmistakably. However, faced with a financial crisis and deep recession, he sought to form a unity government, placing more members of the opposition party in his administration than any president before him. He urged Congress to pass legislation of the scope on which both sides of the isle could agree, legislation which would help the citizenry. In response, the past four congresses have chosen to retreat into political extremes and do less than any preceding them.

Folks, you don't have to be a political scientist or historian to see things clearly and recognize them for what they are. You're not sacrificing your sociopolitical point of view by acknowledging the truth, even if it isn't in lock step with your ideology. Independence of thought and the messiness that comes with it is about as American as it gets.
 
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Obama points to a society that doesn't treat drug addiction and makes it easier for teenagers in some neighborhoods to find a Glock than a computer or a book.

Lol what neighborhood is this? Who knew there was a system where you can check out glocks for free?
 
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Obama points to a society that doesn't treat drug addiction and makes it easier for teenagers in some neighborhoods to find a Glock than a computer or a book.

Lol what neighborhood is this? Who knew there was a system where you can check out glocks for free?

I'd go to the library/shooting range all the time. What are you talking about?
 
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Left-most politics has its acolytes, for sure. Before they "felt the Bern," some took to disrupting Sanders' speeches and rallies. Ah, but American leftists pale compared to the right.

The right has sinned, sinned again, and sins some more, but they do not hesitate to throw stones. Acolytes of the howler monkeys of talk media mimic their bombastic belligerence, caustic chauvinism, and callous disrespect for all who do not surrender reason, volunteer for ignorance, and parrot their disposition. Alas, the right has abandoned any moral underpinnings while simultaneously claiming moral high ground, projecting the unsubstantiated confidence of certainty. If you have lived long enough, you would lament the loss of true conservatism along with me.

Reagan is still lionized by right wingers to this day (No Republican since has produced any inspiration). People conveniently forget that 138 members of Reagan's administrations were indicted for high crimes & misdemeanors (more than any administration before or since), and that after chiding Jimmy Carter for championing a budget that ran a $79 billion deficit, Reagan presided over larger deficits than any precedent, more than trebling the national by the end of his two terms. Also left out of glossy memories of Uncle Ron are the legacy of his campaign tactics - encouraging Americans not to think about the challenges facing our nation, but rather to feel good about themselves and express pride in their country, the southern strategy (looking the other way in the face of systemic unspoken racism), and the leveraging of then fledgling talk radio's focus on the first of these.

How does the Republican party end up with the presumptive presidential nominee, Donald Trump? Look to Reagan to see the beginnings of the path to today.

Division in our society isn't Obama's doing, and to say that he has encouraged it for political purpose can only be politely describe as disingenuous. Obama is a left leaning Democrat of the FDR mold, and his requests of Congress reflect that, unmistakably. However, faced with a financial crisis and deep recession, he sought to form a unity government, placing more members of the opposition party in his administration than any president before him. He urged Congress to pass legislation of the scope on which both sides of the isle could agree, legislation which would help the citizenry. In response, the past four congresses have chosen to retreat into political extremes and do less than any preceding them.

Folks, you don't have to be a political scientist or historian to see things clearly and recognize them for what they are. You're not sacrificing your sociopolitical point of view by acknowledging the truth, even if it isn't in lock step with your ideology. Independence of thought and the messiness that comes with it is about as American as it gets.
:lolabove::lolabove::lolabove::lolabove:
 
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Obama points to a society that doesn't treat drug addiction and makes it easier for teenagers in some neighborhoods to find a Glock than a computer or a book.

Lol what neighborhood is this? Who knew there was a system where you can check out glocks for free?

GLOCK?!?!?! Keep Americans working. Buy a Ruger. :salute:
 
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Left-most politics has its acolytes, for sure. Before they "felt the Bern," some took to disrupting Sanders' speeches and rallies. Ah, but American leftists pale compared to the right.

The right has sinned, sinned again, and sins some more, but they do not hesitate to throw stones. Acolytes of the howler monkeys of talk media mimic their bombastic belligerence, caustic chauvinism, and callous disrespect for all who do not surrender reason, volunteer for ignorance, and parrot their disposition. Alas, the right has abandoned any moral underpinnings while simultaneously claiming moral high ground, projecting the unsubstantiated confidence of certainty. If you have lived long enough, you would lament the loss of true conservatism along with me.

Reagan is still lionized by right wingers to this day (No Republican since has produced any inspiration). People conveniently forget that 138 members of Reagan's administrations were indicted for high crimes & misdemeanors (more than any administration before or since), and that after chiding Jimmy Carter for championing a budget that ran a $79 billion deficit, Reagan presided over larger deficits than any precedent, more than trebling the national by the end of his two terms. Also left out of glossy memories of Uncle Ron are the legacy of his campaign tactics - encouraging Americans not to think about the challenges facing our nation, but rather to feel good about themselves and express pride in their country, the southern strategy (looking the other way in the face of systemic unspoken racism), and the leveraging of then fledgling talk radio's focus on the first of these.

How does the Republican party end up with the presumptive presidential nominee, Donald Trump? Look to Reagan to see the beginnings of the path to today.

Division in our society isn't Obama's doing, and to say that he has encouraged it for political purpose can only be politely describe as disingenuous. Obama is a left leaning Democrat of the FDR mold, and his requests of Congress reflect that, unmistakably. However, faced with a financial crisis and deep recession, he sought to form a unity government, placing more members of the opposition party in his administration than any president before him. He urged Congress to pass legislation of the scope on which both sides of the isle could agree, legislation which would help the citizenry. In response, the past four congresses have chosen to retreat into political extremes and do less than any preceding them.

Folks, you don't have to be a political scientist or historian to see things clearly and recognize them for what they are. You're not sacrificing your sociopolitical point of view by acknowledging the truth, even if it isn't in lock step with your ideology. Independence of thought and the messiness that comes with it is about as American as it gets.

Feel Better?
 
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So ironic you posted this when it is clear to everyone he is divisive.

No, it isn't clear to everyone, and, if you read my post, you would understand that to be my point. Frankly, it would be refreshing to witness your acknowledgement of the divisiveness inherent in the politics of the Republican party and right-wing advocacy groups throughout the past 35+ years.
 
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Feel Better?

I'd feel better if Molly Ivins was still alive to provide counterpoint to George Will. Thomas Friedman has too broad and gray a perspective. I've enjoyed reading George's columns for decades, but lacking the needling of the New Deal Democrat Ivins, his columns have become increasingly shrill, whiny, and ethereal. I miss the old George, counterpointing liberal-speak with Goldwater. Will has had historical perspective interwoven into his arguments. That's what has made his columns rewarding reading. BTW, born and bred conservative, George Will has dissociated himself from today's Republican party. Metaphorically speaking, that's an air raid siren to which nobody should turn a deaf ear. .
 
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I'd feel better if Molly Ivins was still alive to provide counterpoint to George Will. Thomas Friedman has too broad and gray a perspective. I've enjoyed reading George's columns for decades, but lacking the needling of the New Deal Democrat Ivins, his columns have become increasingly shrill, whiny, and ethereal. I miss the old George, counterpointing liberal-speak with Goldwater. Will has had historical perspective interwoven into his arguments. That's what has made his columns rewarding reading. BTW, born and bred conservative, George Will has dissociated himself from today's Republican party. Metaphorically speaking, that's an air raid siren to which nobody should turn a deaf ear. .

......you are on a roll......keep going.......
 
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I'd feel better if Molly Ivins was still alive to provide counterpoint to George Will. Thomas Friedman has too broad and gray a perspective. I've enjoyed reading George's columns for decades, but lacking the needling of the New Deal Democrat Ivins, his columns have become increasingly shrill, whiny, and ethereal. I miss the old George, counterpointing liberal-speak with Goldwater. Will has had historical perspective interwoven into his arguments. That's what has made his columns rewarding reading. BTW, born and bred conservative, George Will has dissociated himself from today's Republican party. Metaphorically speaking, that's an air raid siren to which nobody should turn a deaf ear. .
So you believe the status quo in big time politics is OK then. Got it. Spoken like a good fall in line democrat. You must be ecstatic that Bernie has thrown his hat in HiLIARy's ring.
 
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No, it isn't clear to everyone, and, if you read my post, you would understand that to be my point. Frankly, it would be refreshing to witness your acknowledgement of the divisiveness inherent in the politics of the Republican party and right-wing advocacy groups throughout the past 35+ years.

the topic of this thread is not about the Republican Party it's about Obama. Oh let me count the ways:

called American businesses soft and lazy and said they’d lost their ambition; they didn’t build that; they need to up their game;

baselessly accused the Chamber of Commerce of accepting foreign contributions and said it had the burden of proving it did not;

said Mitt Romney, in effect, killed a lady who lost her insurance;
say the “wealthy” aren’t paying their fair share;

stepped on the conscience protections of people of faith and attacked a Lutheran school’s right to hire and fire on religious grounds;

use “gay rights” as a wedge issue and depict opponents of same-sex marriage as bigots;
manufactured a phony GOP “War on Women”;

say Republicans want dirty air and dirty water and rejoice when people lose their insurance coverage, that they want a smaller America and don’t believe in rebuilding roads and bridges, that they are hostage takers and Slurpee sippers. He says they created this mess, and they should sit in the backseat of the car. We’ll have hand-to-hand combat with them on Capitol Hill, and if they bring a knife, we’ll bring a gun;

crammed Obamacare down the throats of a strongly opposed majority;

continue to scare seniors, the “middle class” and the “poor” into believing Republicans want to destroy Medicare;

publicly ridiculed and demonized the Supreme Court on multiple occasions;

disparaged hedge fund managers as “playing with other people’s money”;

vilified immigration enforcement advocates as racists;

waged a war against states on immigration and voter ID laws;

worked against military ballots;

lawlessly rewrote loans in the GM and Chrysler restructurings to favor unions and cheat secured creditors; and in Solyndra, to subordinate taxpayers to private investors;

exploited race and minority relations for political purposes and for ideological reasons, including Eric Holder calling the nation cowards on race, racializing voter intimidation laws and saying the GOP was after him on Fast and Furious because he, like Obama, is an African-American;

Hell don't take my word for it, take your liberal rag CNN's word for it

Obama most polarizing president in modern history - CNNPolitics.com

"But his tenure has been one of the most polarizing overall of any modern president. Each of his six years in office have ranked in the top 10 most polarized since 1953, with President George W. Bush taking the other four slots. "
 
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Well, the political discourse here is better than that I've seen on other sites, but the propensity towards bombast and false labeling is still too prevalent. I am not a liberal by classic definition. I am not an advocate for big government or the status quo. I am not a neo-con, nor do I identify with much of what many presently label "conservative." I've never been a card-carrying member of any political party. In these times I identify as a political independent.

I did offer perspective on Obama. I abstained from pasting him with a tar brush. After all, he is just the President. During the past eight years, Congress has influenced the well being of Americans as much or more than Obama.
 
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Well, the political discourse here is better than that I've seen on other sites, but the propensity towards bombast and false labeling is still too prevalent. I am not a liberal by classic definition. I am not an advocate for big government or the status quo. I am not a neo-con, nor do I identify with much of what many presently label "conservative." I've never been a card-carrying member of any political party. In these times I identify as a political independent.

I did offer perspective on Obama. I abstained from pasting him with a tar brush. After all, he is just the President. During the past eight years, Congress has influenced the well being of Americans as much or more than Obama.
This is true. His lapdog Harry Reid never sent him a damned thing he knew he wouldn't have to sign.

And classic liberals are all dead. Your party has been hijacked by jihadis.
 
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Well, the political discourse here is better than that I've seen on other sites, but the propensity towards bombast and false labeling is still too prevalent. I am not a liberal by classic definition. I am not an advocate for big government or the status quo. I am not a neo-con, nor do I identify with much of what many presently label "conservative." I've never been a card-carrying member of any political party. In these times I identify as a political independent.

you started your entire post by blaming "right wingers" and went on a diatribe about Reagan. Irony is thick
 
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