Recruiting Forum Football Talk XXVI

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chavisut said:
The SEC superiority is maxed out.

We're talking about the Big10. Not the WAC or Sun Belt. Yes, I know we beat some middle tier teams big in bowl games.
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Again, we brought Shoop in to help us beat the big boys of the SEC. Not Minnesota and Iowa. That's the difference.

I know it's hard for you to get out of your "no excuses" mindset but there is a difference in Big10 and SEC.
 
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SpringBokVol said:
Shoop is still a question mark for me.

I know what he is supposed to do and what the defense is supposed to be.

But it is an unknown at this point.
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He has a good track record and made a lateral move. He's gonna do what he's always done. You can't assume the exact same results but the prognosis is as good as it gets.
 
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BigZiti09 said:
Go compare UT's schedule to Vandy's schedule during that time. IIRC we had an unbelievably difficult draw while Vandy was fortunate. Granted, it's Vandy so beating anyone should be celebrated by them.

I'm not dismissing anything. I'm saying it isn't apples to apples and does not always translate.
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I will agree that their schedule was favorable, especially in their hilariously bad OOC games.


What he does/did vs slow big 10 teams or UK/Vandy and the like isn't relevant.
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I took that as dismissive, apologies if I took it incorrectly.
 
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BigZiti09 said:
Again, we brought Shoop in to help us beat the big boys of the SEC. Not Minnesota and Iowa. That's the difference.

I know it's hard for you to get out of your "no excuses" mindset but there is a difference in Big10 and SEC.
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Our division is no better than the Big10 East. Worse IMO.
 
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WallyBalls said:
I will agree that their schedule was favorable, especially in their hilariously bad OOC games.




I took that as dismissive, apologies if I took it incorrectly.
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Bad wording on my part. I value his time at all of his stops. What he has done in the past is worth noting. What I mean is that he was not brought here so we can beat UK/Vandy/SCe/Mizz and so that's not the part I'm concerned/anxious about. I know he can help us beat those teams. He's done it at Vandy.
 
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BigZiti09 said:
Again, we brought Shoop in to help us beat the big boys of the SEC. Not Minnesota and Iowa. That's the difference.

I know it's hard for you to get out of your "no excuses" mindset but there is a difference in Big10 and SEC.
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Ah I see. Building up an excuse.
 
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chavisut said:
Our division is no better than the Big10 East. Worse IMO.
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Maybe. But again, we aren't bringing him in to help us beat teams like Indiana, Rutgers and Maryland which might as well be renamed South Carolina, Kentucky and Vanderbilt. Where we need help is in games vs teams like Michigan, Michigan State and Ohio State(think UGA, Bama, UF, Texas AM).

PSU went 0-3 vs those 3 last year with a combined score of 42-121.
 
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Joking, kinda.


I get what you're saying. I look at how he's done against similar teams. He's done very well. He was rarely at a talent advantage at Vandy and PSU was above average. We have top talent. I believe we also have the lightest schedule in recent memory. I expect a top 10 defense. Top 20 at least.
 
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Ericvol2096 said:
So thinking about our trend last year of getting out to big leads early and letting them slip away (OK, UF, ARK, SC). A lot of that IMO had to do with Butch and Debo not trusting the O fully yet and having a bit too much trust in the D.

How much do you all see that changing this year?

In my opinion, Butch and Debo will SLIGHTLY get more aggressive with leads. It won't be a huge shift but I think it will be more aggressive then we were used to last year. BUT, the good news is I think now with Shoop and our D getting that much more talented and experienced they will actually be able to answer that call this year.

So all in all I think that general strategy could play out again this year but the results could be significantly different.

Thoughts?
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VoL The Impaler said:
Maybe look at it this way.. Do you think Shoop would be 5-10 plays better on defense than Jancek? I say yes. Those 5-l0 plays would have gained us a couple more wins. JMO
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These are spot on IMO.

Some are seriously underplaying defensive strategy employed by Shoop versus Jancek. Adjustments, adjustments, adjustments. Shoop is leaps and bounds better than Jancek and most other DC's. He doesn't lock in to one thing. He was able to accomplish what he did with less than optimum talent because he could adjust and probe soft spots. Now he has elite football players at his disposal. His attacking style gets the ball into our offense's hands quicker and more often. This plays right into Butch's style.

Can't wait.
 
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BigZiti09 said:
Careful. You're not allowed to question Shoop on this board. Posters will pull out the stats and tell you how awesome he is going to be and that his success is unavoidable. Teams will be lucky to advance past midfield on Shoop's D now that he isn't at Vandy or PSU.

Never mind that teams went vanilla vs Vandy or that PSU plays in the big 10 where teams look like they guzzled nyquil before taking the field. None of that matters. Shoop will dominate the SEC. Stats don't lie.
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He's an (arguably significant) upgrade from Jancek, who exceeded my expectations while he was here but played a significant role in some painful losses last year. I was surprised by the move myself but the opportunity to hire Shoop was too good to pass up. Shoop was one the best DC's in the SEC while he was at Vandy and there's no reason to think he can't replicate, if not exceed, that here.

But I know what you mean, it's like we've hired Sunseri all over again.
 
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BigZiti09 said:
Again, we brought Shoop in to help us beat the big boys of the SEC. Not Minnesota and Iowa. That's the difference.

I know it's hard for you to get out of your "no excuses" mindset but there is a difference in Big10 and SEC.
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All 3 phases have no excuses this year. The roster has been completely rebuilt. We are extremely talented, deep, and experienced. The time has arrived to expect to win every game that we play...hence, no excuses!
 
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orangeblood79 said:
He's an (arguably significant) upgrade from Jancek, who exceeded my expectations while he was here but played a significant role in some painful losses last year. I was surprised by the move myself but the opportunity to hire Shoop was too good to pass up. Shoop was one the best DC's in the SEC while he was at Vandy and there's no reason to think he can't replicate, if not exceed, that here.

But I know what you mean, it's like we've hired Sunseri all over again.
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Jancek exceed expectations EXCEPT in what area? The area that matters most. Getting off the field when the game is on the line against teams that we have yet to beat. Shoop has to do that for us or otherwise he's just another Jancek.

But I know what you mean, it's like we've hired General Neyland all over again.
 
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Ericvol2096 said:
The East race is really going to be interesting so many questions, what do you see happening?

Do you think UGA will be improved without Richt? Do you think they struggle with a first year coach? Does Eason light the world on fire? Does Chaney actually lean on his good RB's and not pass all the time? Is the talent there in the trenches?

What happens with UF? Is Del Rio good enough to make them look more like the UF that beat TN and Ole Miss back to back with Grier last year? Or are they closer to the dumpster fire that ended the season with Treon? They still have gobs of D talent on the front line, but IMO the 2nd string is starting to dip with McElwain's recruiting. The OL is a year more experienced and they actually are starting to get some weapons on O with Calloway, Powell and some good new RB's.

Then obviously with TN we should be by far the best but the schedule is not favorable in that we have our most important stretch all in a row. Can we get through UF, @UGA, @A&M and Bama with only 1 loss? If we have 2 L's in that stretch and one of them is to either UF or UGA it will be hard to win the East IMO.

I'd like a good discussion on what to expect from these three. What are everyone's thoughts on UGA and UF and the schedule break down. Here is how I see it as of right now. I think UF has the best draw, because with UGA having a young QB I could see them slipping up at sleepers like @SC the week after they play us or early @Missouri.




UGA 2-1-4
@ Missouri - Toss Up
@Ole Miss - L
Tennessee - Toss Up
@SC - Toss Up
Vandy - W
Florida* - Toss Up
@Kentucky - W
Auburn - Toss up

Tennessee 4-0-4
Florida - Toss Up
@Georgia - Toss Up
@A&M - Toss Up
Bama - Toss Up
@SC - W
Missouri - W
UK - W
@Vandy - W

Florida 4-1-3
Kentucky - W
@ Tennessee - Toss Up
@Vanderbilt - W
LSU - L
Missouri - W
UGA* - Toss Up
@Arkansas - Toss Up
SC - W
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Disagree that Missouricor south carolina are toss ups for UGA
 
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OGbabyaviVol said:
All 3 phases have no excuses this year. The roster has been completely rebuilt. We are extremely talented, deep, and experienced. The time has arrived to expect to win every game that we play...hence, no excuses!
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Uh, ok. Why don't you just post a "." like Chavy?
 
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Just a quick question any threads been brought up about summer enrollees... if they are what we expected, suprisingly better, or not as good as thought. I know its summer and cant really tell till they strap em up but just interesting to know.
 
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BigZiti09 said:
Jancek exceed expectations EXCEPT in what area? The area that matters most. Getting off the field when the game is on the line against teams that we have yet to beat. Shoop has to do that for us or otherwise he's just another Jancek.

But I know what you mean, it's like we've hired General Neyland all over again.
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Shoop coached a team to wins over Florida, Georgia, and Tennessee at VANDERBILT, all in the same season. I don't care what state those respective programs were in, that's a damn site more than any resume builder any of our previous DC's have had.

That's not hyperbole that's just fact. I'm expecting him to come in and perform on pace with what he's done in the past, which is produce a top 10 defense.

What exactly is your problem with him anyway? I see nothing wrong with the expectations set before him.
 
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orangeblood79 said:
Shoop coached a team to wins over Florida, Georgia, and Tennessee at VANDERBILT, all in the same season. I don't care what state those respective programs were in, that's a damn site more than any resume builder any of our previous DC's have had.

That's not hyperbole that's just fact. I'm expecting him to come in and perform on pace with what he's done in the past, which is produce a top 10 defense.

What exactly is your problem with him anyway? I see nothing wrong with the expectations set before him.
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Go back and read my posts.
 
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