Vols Top Ten Passes of 2015

#76
#76
Volsfaninva917 said:
I don't think anyone is being over the top unfair, if you can't see they are purposely saying things to piss you off then your dumber than you come across.

And Dobbs isnt the main reason UT is were it is, is he part of the success? Absolutely but it is asinine to say he is the main reason.

And further more the 3 QBs I listed above were treated FAR worse than what Dobbs has been.

I love Josh Dobbs and everything he has done for this university on and off the field but he is far from the Heisman trophy winner you make him out to be.
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Yes he is.

Where was this program before he was named the starter against South Carolina? Where is it now?

You take Dobbs off this team and nobody is talking about it as a playoff contender.

He's the MAIN REASON we've been the trendy team the last 2 years.

People believe in his talent because of his flashes of brilliance.
 
#77
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SaintLouisVol said:
Yes, he's our starter. Yes, he should be. Yes, he did amazing things last year and has greatly contributed to re-rise of the program.

But, if you can watch his passing performance and not concede that he has missed a BUNCH of "easy" throws and left even more yards on the table by forcing the receivers to break stride or give up their footing, you're just not being honest with yourself.

Put it this way, if he threw the ball as he has and did not have the many other plus plus intangibles, he wouldn't start for any team in the SEC.

Although, I will also say this:

IF JD comes into the season with even modestly improved and consistent throwing accuracy, he will scare the excrement out of every DC in the NCAA. He'll be a very serious contender for the Heisman.
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But he also made a lot of plays and all the miscues on the pass game ain't on him. Receivers, o-line, and coaches are also at fault.

That's all I've ever said.

I also think you would be hard pressed to find a better QB in the country. There are maybe 3-5 that compare.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
This is a Tennessee fan site. You would be correct if we were ole miss fans and this was an Ole Miss fan forum. But we're not ole miss fans.

There's nothing wrong with thinking your own is better than someone else.
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Yes there is, it's called being objective. The criticism of Dobbs is more about your love-fest with him, than what he can do. He is a good QB, not elite, and that is all we have ever said. Kinda like Hurd is really good, but not Fournette or Chubb elite. Simple, for most folks.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
But he also made a lot of plays and all the miscues on the pass game ain't on him. Receivers, o-line, and coaches are also at fault.

That's all I've ever said.

I also think you would be hard pressed to find a better QB in the country. There are maybe 3-5 that compare.
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iits hard for me to point to anyone else when it comes to the overthrows, under throws, balls behind the receivers on crossing routes, guys stopping and coming back to the long balls, etc. I love the kid, but he just doesn't throw consistency well compared to elite D1 QBs.

The receivers may have also made some mistakes, but they also caught a lot of bad balls.

He's a highly effective quarterback at the collegiate level, but if he doesn't throw better, he'll never play a down in the NFL.

He's a super bright guy and seems to want all the right things. Hopefully, andI I expect, that's he's put the work in and he's better this year. Again, if he can throw with better consistency,he'll be a handful for any team in the country.
 
#83
#83
Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
He's your f'in starting QB.

And you guys wonder why I think there's racial issues going on here.

Why the hell should someone be attacked on a vol fan message board for liking OUR STARTING QB?
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If Dobbs were white, I still would think he was a very good qb who was accuracy challenged. Sometimes I would be compelled to discuss the team hurdles created by his lack of accuracy. Then, as now, it would have nothing to do with his race.
 
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#84
#84
Best pass of the year was the Dobbs laser guided missile that landed perfectly right in Malone's hands in the end zone v UK(Vandy?). I still don't know how he dropped it. I bet Jason couldn't drop that ball 1 outta 10 times if he tried. It was like a 40 yard handoff.
 
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Nasavol said:
Yes there is, it's called being objective. The criticism of Dobbs is more about your love-fest with him, than what he can do. He is a good QB, not elite, and that is all we have ever said. Kinda like Hurd is really good, but not Fournette or Chubb elite. Simple, for most folks.
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I'll give you Fournette but Hurd is much better than Chubb.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
He started a thread about our top 10 pass plays from last year then said all but one pass were bad throws. You tell me who threw most of those passes? Then said bring it on to me.

That's an obvious hit on Dobbs then knowing I'm his biggest defender said bring it on.

The fact more of you weren't offended proves my point.

You claim to like Dobbs. But have no problem with low ball douchy attacks like this.

In fact only k-town king called him out on this.
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Dude you openly admit to only recently becoming a vol fan because now we have "a product you will support" and you want to call longstanding fans out for not claiming dobbs is the new Peyton?

Go die In a hole.
 
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#88
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chattaboogie said:
Dude you openly admit to only recently becoming a vol fan because now we have "a product you will support" and you want to call longstanding fans out for not claiming dobbs is the new Peyton?

Go die In a hole.
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I was thinking perhaps he could retire to the basement until his Mother calls him for dinner.

:hi:
 
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#89
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Yes he is.

Where was this program before he was named the starter against South Carolina? Where is it now?

You take Dobbs off this team and nobody is talking about it as a playoff contender.

He's the MAIN REASON we've been the trendy team the last 2 years.

People believe in his talent because of his flashes of brilliance.
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Did the offense operate better under Dobbs? Absolutely it did, but to place all the success on his shoulders is out of line.
 
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#91
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
. . . He's the MAIN REASON we've been the trendy team the last 2 years. . .
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"Main" is a somewhat amorphous word.

He certainly changed the character of the offense. I think the team's success has as much to do with the fact that his style of play is a MUCH better fit with the other offensive players. His talent and skill set went a LONG way covering up the shortcomings of a very inexperienced offensive line. That's to his credit of course.

Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
People believe in his talent because of his flashes of brilliance.
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I agree with this and would say that it goes beyond flashes when it comes to his legs on both called and improvised runs. He runs the ball about as well as just about any QB in in recently memory.

My only point is that doesn't throw the ball that well, and he needs to get better at it to be truly elite. No one is bashing the guy. We all hope he does.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
He's one of the best QBs period.

And this is what I mean. The guy brings so much to this team and program. Without him we're not a preseason top 10 team or SEC East favorite.

Yet most on here like to keep talking about what he can't do rather than what he can. Why is that?

That's what I mean by disrespect.

I don't see a thread everyday about Hurd not breakaway long runs or Barnett starting each year slow.

Everyone on this team has flaws. Yet many on here seem to just enjoy reveling in what they perceive to be Dobbs weakness.

Just seems weird considering this is supposed to be Tennessee fan site.
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Uh ohhhh.... someone just accidentally punched a hole in his own race card.....
 
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#93
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Originally Posted by jlindsa4 View Post
Also d4h, I would give anything to see dobbs win the heisman and see the crow eating themed thanksgiving feast that would follow.

Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Well you will see it.

An amazing season is coming.
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Nah, in this context, there won't be any crow eating, if Dobbs wins ( and others in Volnation have seen this as an amazing season on the horizon, for sev years). I'm pretty sure that Dobbs will actually be thanking Volnation for pushing him to improve all aspects of his game, whatever place he finishes.
 
#94
#94
WildTurkey said:
I go back and forth as to whether you're a great troll or just a sensitive poster. In this case I'll assume the latter.

I do not know or believe that there is a single true Vols fan who wishes Dobbs to play poorly. So you're creating that narrative.

There is zero racial overtone in this discussion - except for what you inject.

I, along with every Vol fan I know, hope Dobbs has a tremendous season. We all know our offense will go as far as he takes it. Teams will no doubt crowd the box and dare us to make plays downfield.

So yes we all want Dobbs to have a great year - SEC title, playoff run, NFL draft pick if he wants it. But...most of us recognize his serious accuracy issues from the past couple of seasons must be improved for any of that to happen.
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This! So much of this!
 
#95
#95
SaintLouisVol said:
"Main" is a somewhat amorphous word.

He certainly changed the character of the offense. I think the team's success has as much to do with the fact that his style of play is a MUCH better fit with the other offensive players. His talent and skill set went a LONG way covering up the shortcomings of a very inexperienced offensive line. That's to his credit of course.
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Nailed it. I just watched a Leonard Fournette highlight video followed immediately by a Jalen Hurd highlight film.

The most OBVIOUS difference between the 2 backs is the opportunities (running lanes) they each had. Watch the aforementioned videos and keep an eye on their runs from their stance to the line of scrimmage. Fournette is almost ALWAYS at top speed by the time he reaches the LOS because he rarely has to make a cut, where Hurd is typically dancing in the backfield to avoid a defender or 2 before he can take off.

Fournette has many more runs of 20+ yards because he only has to run straight and he is not touched many times. Hurd's runs of 20+ are a completely different story. Almost every yard he gained was earned by himself. He had to fight for his yards.

That said, after watching the 2 videos back-to-back, I believe Jalen is BETTER than Fournette. I honestly don't think Fournette runs as hard and with as much determination. If their lines were reversed, Hurds numbers would be better.
 
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#97
peyton4heisman said:
Nailed it. I just watched a Leonard Fournette highlight video followed immediately by a Jalen Hurd highlight film.

The most OBVIOUS difference between the 2 backs is the opportunities (running lanes) they each had. Watch the aforementioned videos and keep an eye on their runs from their stance to the line of scrimmage. Fournette is almost ALWAYS at top speed by the time he reaches the LOS because he rarely has to make a cut, where Hurd is typically dancing in the backfield to avoid a defender or 2 before he can take off.

Fournette has many more runs of 20+ yards because he only has to run straight and he is not touched many times. Hurd's runs of 20+ are a completely different story. Almost every yard he gained was earned by himself. He had to fight for his yards.

That said, after watching the 2 videos back-to-back, I believe Jalen is BETTER than Fournette. I honestly don't think Fournette runs as hard and with as much determination. If their lines were reversed, Hurds numbers would be better.
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Your as delusional as D4H. :crazy:
 
#98
#98
Nasavol said:
Your as delusional as D4H. :crazy:
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No I'm not! Why are you attacking me? That's racist! AND this is not my opinion! It is a FACT! As a talent afficionado, I back up my statement 150%! If I say he's better then you can take it to the BANK! I'm not as delusional as D4H, you RACIST!

PS: "your" as good at english as terrypedigo.
 
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#99
#99
TAF said:
I am not the creator of this video...

but, I enjoyed watching it.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKqGB8pHhgE[/youtube]

One thing that stands out...only a couple of these throws hit anyone in-stride (and frankly Dormady has 1 or 2 that are nice throws)...the REST...are GREAT catches...(and I STILL think josh Smith was NOT the intended target for the #1 throw against Georgia...he just went up and GOT it!

Bring it on D4H...but, I hope your Idol REALLY improves before September 1st!
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Thanks for sharing my video! Glad you enjoyed it! :)
 
#100
#100
Volsfaninva917 said:
Did the offense operate better under Dobbs? Absolutely it did, but to place all the success on his shoulders is out of line.
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I never said ALL. I said he was the MAIN REASON for the program's turnaround.

I would place MOST (not ALL) of the credit for this program's turnout from SEC doormat to contender on the shoulders of Josh Dobbs.
 
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