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Quaint88 said:
This. I would say the Sand Snakes next. Little Finger is still up there but moved down the list for now after helping Sansa and Jon.

He's not a villain, but I'm ready to be rid of Tommen, too. I'm about as disgusted with him as I was with Sansa until recently. I thought after the High Sparrow took Margaery, Cersei would flip him to the dark side, but instead he just found a new puppet master in the High Sparrow. It's time for the third golden shroud!
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They can kill the matriarch of the Sand Snakes, but I hope they let the Snakes themselves live. I like those girls. I'd love to see them meet up with Bronn again, lol.
 
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Weezer said:
They can kill the matriarch of the Sand Snakes, but I hope they let the Snakes themselves live. I like those girls. I'd love to see them meet up with Bronn again, lol.
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That one that made Bronn call her the most beautiful woman in the world is pretty cute imo. Haha
 
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My 3 year old niece wouldn't go to sleep while we were watching GoT..she kept asking "Whats all that red stuff?"

ketchup..loooooots of ketchup ..
 
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I'm guessing Sansa knew about Littlefinger and the army from the Vale. But when did he tell her? All we saw was him say that the blackfish had an army and she should reach out to him.

Assuming she knew Littlefinger was bringing an army how does Sansa explain to Jon that she used him and his army as a pawn to draw out Ramsey and his army? Is this her being mad that they didn't ask her opinions during the war plan or is she putting her involvement in the game of thrones ahead of everything else?
 
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Weezer said:
They can kill the matriarch of the Sand Snakes, but I hope they let the Snakes themselves live. I like those girls. I'd love to see them meet up with Bronn again, lol.
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I was basing it on what they have done, but this one can stay:

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TheDeeble said:
I'm guessing Sansa knew about Littlefinger and the army from the Vale. But when did he tell her? All we saw was him say that the blackfish had an army and she should reach out to him.

Assuming she knew Littlefinger was bringing an army how does Sansa explain to Jon that she used him and his army as a pawn to draw out Ramsey and his army? Is this her being mad that they didn't ask her opinions during the war plan or is she putting her involvement in the game of thrones ahead of everything else?
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Well, she sent a raven to him, but had no way of knowing if it reached him. There was no return message from him saying, "we'll be there at X time", at least not shown on screen. Also, even if she did know for certain that he was coming, if she told Jon this and they stalled to wait for the additional forces, Ramsey would likely gather that something was up and decide to hole up in Winterfell, giving the upper hand back to him. And last, and what I believe the most, is that she's now playing the "Game" of Thrones in a manor she's learned from Littlefinger.
 
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PeterNincompoop said:
Well, she sent a raven to him, but had no way of knowing if it reached him. There was no return message from him saying, "we'll be there at X time", at least not shown on screen. Also, even if she did know for certain that he was coming, if she told Jon this and they stalled to wait for the additional forces, Ramsey would likely gather that something was up and decide to hole up in Winterfell, giving the upper hand back to him. And last, and what I believe the most, is that she's now playing the "Game" of Thrones in a manor she's learned from Littlefinger.
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Either way she has become a real wolf. But now she is playing with the master. Interesting to see how this all works out.
 
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PeterNincompoop said:
Well, she sent a raven to him, but had no way of knowing if it reached him. There was no return message from him saying, "we'll be there at X time", at least not shown on screen. Also, even if she did know for certain that he was coming, if she told Jon this and they stalled to wait for the additional forces, Ramsey would likely gather that something was up and decide to hole up in Winterfell, giving the upper hand back to him. And last, and what I believe the most, is that she's now playing the "Game" of Thrones in a manor she's learned from Littlefinger.
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We saw what good would holing up in Winterfell have done him. Wun Wun beat down the door in 2 minutes. The only thing Sansa's brilliant move of not telling Jon accomplished was eliminate Jon and Rickon as a threat to her. Littlefinger is now in the North with at worst the second or third largest army with the crown's blessing to take over. Sansa's only hope really is convincing her cousin to go against LF.
 
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ToineMac said:
We saw what good would holing up in Winterfell have done him. Wun Wun beat down the door in 2 minutes. The only thing Sansa's brilliant move of not telling Jon accomplished was eliminate Jon and Rickon as a threat to her. Littlefinger is now in the North with at worst the second or third largest army with the crown's blessing to take over. Sansa's only hope really is convincing her cousin to go against LF.
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Littlefinger will not betray Sansa now that she has the north back. IMO. I think he genuinely miscalculated Ramsey.
 
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utvols88 said:
Littlefinger will not betray Sansa now that she has the north back. IMO. I think he genuinely miscalculated Ramsey.
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I agree that he miscalculated on Ramsey. How could he know. Nobody in the North knew what kind of guy Ramsey was until his dad left to go fight in the war.

But his ultimate goal was always to use Sansa to gain the North for himself. I think so anyway. By controlling Lysa and Catelyn's children he can control the North, Vale and Riverlands.
 
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ToineMac said:
We saw what good would holing up in Winterfell have done him. Wun Wun beat down the door in 2 minutes. The only thing Sansa's brilliant move of not telling Jon accomplished was eliminate Jon and Rickon as a threat to her. Littlefinger is now in the North with at worst the second or third largest army with the crown's blessing to take over. Sansa's only hope really is convincing her cousin to go against LF.
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Very true, but it's also true that he beat down the door of a now defenseless Winterfell. When there's a handful of Commanders left, along with a handful of soldiers (likely children and non warrior types), it would be a lot easier to beat that door down, than with 6000 troops in and around the walls to protect them.

And furthermore, remember that mountain wall of bodies where Ramsey's arrows were killing all involved? How fast you think that wall stacks up in front of that small gated opening, when there's 6000 fighting from within the walls, and 2000 plus however many Knights of the Vale showed up trying to get in, that one tiny opening?
 
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ToineMac said:
We saw what good would holing up in Winterfell have done him. Wun Wun beat down the door in 2 minutes. The only thing Sansa's brilliant move of not telling Jon accomplished was eliminate Jon and Rickon as a threat to her. Littlefinger is now in the North with at worst the second or third largest army with the crown's blessing to take over. Sansa's only hope really is convincing her cousin to go against LF.
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Sansa was not trying to eliminate Jon and Rickon.
 
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PeterNincompoop said:
Very true, but it's also true that he beat down the door of a now defenseless Winterfell. When there's a handful of Commanders left, along with a handful of soldiers (likely children and non warrior types), it would be a lot easier to beat that door down, than with 6000 troops in and around the walls to protect them.

And furthermore, remember that mountain wall of bodies where Ramsey's arrows were killing all involved? How fast you think that wall stacks up in front of that small gated opening, when there's 6000 fighting from within the walls, and 2000 plus however many Knights of the Vale showed up trying to get in, that one tiny opening?
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The Vale has an army of over 17,000.
 
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PeterNincompoop said:
Very true, but it's also true that he beat down the door of a now defenseless Winterfell. When there's a handful of Commanders left, along with a handful of soldiers (likely children and non warrior types), it would be a lot easier to beat that door down, than with 6000 troops in and around the walls to protect them.

And furthermore, remember that mountain wall of bodies where Ramsey's arrows were killing all involved? How fast you think that wall stacks up in front of that small gated opening, when there's 6000 fighting from within the walls, and 2000 plus however many Knights of the Vale showed up trying to get in, that one tiny opening?
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If there had been a siege of Winterfell Jon would have won because he knows all the secret passages that lead into winterfell
 
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Ulysees E. McGill said:
Yep..it's probably only second to the Tyrell army now. The Lannisters are pretty depleted on their own.
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Yea. Seeing as the Vale didn't take part in the War of the Five Kings they've suffered no troop losses. Their lands haven't been razed. Their soldiers aren't war weary. They're fully stocked and provisioned. They haven't incurred a bunch of debt. They'd be pretty formidable against anyone with Westeros in the condition that it's in.

I think the only army that could stand against them right now would be the combined houses of The Reach. And I'm not sure how much they've exhausted thus far. They've been involved in the War of the Five Kings. They've had some troop losses. They moved a lot of food and supplies north to support King's Landing.

That said I don't think Littlefinger is going to try to take the Vale army with the north and march south. That seems too direct for him. My question is does he try to marry Robert Arryn and Sansa, or try to marry Sansa himself. If he wants to marry Sansa I'd think Robin would have to go.

Sansa Stark at Winterfell should unite all of the north. There's no more Bolton's or anything left of Stannis' army to cause disruptions.
 
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TheDeeble said:
Yea. Seeing as the Vale didn't take part in the War of the Five Kings they've suffered no troop losses. Their lands haven't been razed. Their soldiers aren't war weary. They're fully stocked and provisioned. They haven't incurred a bunch of debt. They'd be pretty formidable against anyone with Westeros in the condition that it's in.

I think the only army that could stand against them right now would be the combined houses of The Reach. And I'm not sure how much they've exhausted thus far. They've been involved in the War of the Five Kings. They've had some troop losses. They moved a lot of food and supplies north to support King's Landing.

That said I don't think Littlefinger is going to try to take the Vale army with the north and march south. That seems too direct for him. My question is does he try to marry Robert Arryn and Sansa, or try to marry Sansa himself. If he wants to marry Sansa I'd think Robin would have to go.

Sansa Stark at Winterfell should unite all of the north. There's no more Bolton's or anything left of Stannis' army to cause disruptions.
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Robert Arryn and Sansa are first cousins. That's incest. That maybe cool with the Lannisters but not with everyone else. And if he does kill Robert he would also have to kill Harry the Heir who is the last living Arryn and heir the the Eyrie
 
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