50 dead, 40+ wounded in nightclub attack in Florida

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volinbham said:
Investigated by FBI; issued special privilege firearms license by state of FL.

Can we stop with the gun laws BS or at least be honest and acknowledge nothing that's been proposed would have made any difference?
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No.

A security guard perhaps still should not be able to buy this weaponry.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Let's say this guy was pledging support to ISIS, but wasn't linked to them other than that. He made statements of sympathy for them, that sort of thing. But no actual threats to anyone.

Is that First Amendment protected ? Or is simply expressing support for them actionable ?
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I think if they knew he had ISIS sympathies and made some questionable remarks, such information should have at least been provided. The man had a Florida State security guard license. You think the State agency responsible for that might have taken such information into account before issuing him a license?
 
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Grand Vol said:
That a slight overreaction don't you think? They aren't rolling up into everyday traffic stops in armored vehicles. Or with patrol rifles. Or in body armor and helmets.

And before you or others show me the video of the singular incident down in Florida, don't. It cheapens your case.
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But, look at the way they dress now: combat boots, tactical vests adorned with a dozen clips. My point is the same government who want to disarm the citizenry have no qualms about militarizing their police. Trust us.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Let's say this guy was pledging support to ISIS, but wasn't linked to them other than that. He made statements of sympathy for them, that sort of thing. But no actual threats to anyone.

Is that First Amendment protected ? Or is simply expressing support for them actionable ?
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In general I'd say it's worth a discussion (national) to examine what we are willing to do as a nation about such speech though if it's just support it's not a crime.

I'd argue that if this was known perhaps the state of florida shouldn't have licensed him as security guard with a special privileges firearm license...
 
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Grand Vol said:
That a slight overreaction don't you think? They aren't rolling up into everyday traffic stops in armored vehicles. Or with patrol rifles. Or in body armor and helmets.

And before you or others show me the video of the singular incident down in Florida, don't. It cheapens your case.
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Personally, I'm fine with them having AR's and body armor. As we know, handguns are not the best choice to use in a fight.

I'd even be ok with armored vehicles, there are certain instances they could be useful.

The problem started when this stuff was being used in the drug war. End the drug war, and use the stuff against the truly violent criminals who ARE out there.
 
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Grand Vol said:
I think if they knew he had ISIS sympathies and made some questionable remarks, such information should have at least been provided. The man had a Florida State security guard license. You think the State agency responsible for that might have taken such information into account before issuing him a license?
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Dunno how that works. I'll wager there's no communication there. Who would think ISIS guys are on the midnight shift walking around the local grocery store?
 
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lawgator1 said:
No.

A security guard perhaps still should not be able to buy this weaponry.
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Let's think about this - this guy passed many reviews and was deemed okay.

You are advocating for even more "reviews" to be passed?

Laws are in place that either aren't being properly implemented or are hamstrung by PC issues.

Adding another layer seems like it will do nothing.

Banning ARs? Will have virtually no effect on the larger problem and will do NOTHiNG to combat situations like this particular one.
 
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Does anyone need a reminder of the utterly useless "assault weapons" ban that ran from 94-04

It was a complete and utter failure. Blame the trigger puller, not the trigger.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Dunno how that works. I'll wager there's no communication there. Who would think ISIS guys are on the midnight shift walking around the local grocery store?
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That's the point though. In a rush to be overly politically correct (and you know that's what it is) the FBI and others are hesitant to put out such information lest they be labeled as "anti-Islamic." It happened in San Bernardino, it happened here from what we can tell. There is a concrete wall between agencies at the Federal level and the State/Local level. And such harboring of information leads to disaster as you've seen.
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
Personally, I'm fine with them having AR's and body armor. As we know, handguns are not the best choice to use in a fight.

I'd even be ok with armored vehicles, there are certain instances they could be useful.

The problem started when this stuff was being used in the drug war. End the drug war, and use the stuff against the truly violent criminals who ARE out there.
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I'm ok with certain types of police having those at their disposal. SWAT being one. I do think it's a little overkill for a general police officer patrolling the streets needing anything more than a pistol with a few extra mags and a good solid shotgun. If they are trained or took their training seriously they should be able to handle or at least get control of most situations.
 
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FLVOL_79 said:
Suspected Islamic extremist shoots dead at least 20 dead at Florida gay club after bursting in 'wearing a suicide vest' and taking hostages - injuring a further 42 - before he is killed in shootout* | Daily Mail Online

Interesting if this is good old friendly islam again. The left will have a real hard time...swallowing..this pill.
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george w.bush.........the gift that keeps on giving. Yes, he's responsible and the right has the nerve to blame everyone but him. The vote to invade Iraq was bipartisan , that support was gained through false evidence presented by bush and his neocon buddies. This is exactly why the M.E. is in turmoil and why there are more terrorist than ever.
Now shoot the messenger and waste your time defending the indefensible . Unintended consequences are a b***h ain't they. :question:
 
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Grand Vol said:
That's the point though. In a rush to be overly politically correct (and you know that's what it is) the FBI and others are hesitant to put out such information lest they be labeled as "anti-Islamic." It happened in San Bernardino, it happened here from what we can tell. There is a concrete wall between agencies at the Federal level and the State/Local level. And such harboring of information leads to disaster as you've seen.
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Yep. The rush to ban "weaponry" does nothing to address the underlying "why".
 
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