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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
No one said its ok. Its just UNDERSTANDABLE.

What made Martin Luther King exceptional is because it's really tough to love your enemy. Most people hate their oppressor. And Muhammad Ali hated oppresion.

I can't believe this is too hard to understand. Ali didn't say what he said out of hate. He said what he said out of love for his people. He wanted black people to be treated fairly.

And once America started changing it's tune and treating his people to fairness he in turn also changed his views.

The Ali of the 1980s and beyond held different views from the Ali of the 1960s. Just as the America of the 1980s and beyond was different from the America of the 1960s.

The man had a heart of gold. He's definitely not what you are trying to make him out to be.
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I didn't say a thing about Ali so check yourself before you wreck yourself.

In regards to OK vs. "Understandable". It's synonymous. Understable means that it is reasonable or acceptable. That is literally endorsing it by definition. Just stop. Don't go chasing waterfalls.
 
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jlindsa4 said:
It doesn't. In fact the Koran says that killing one person is on the same level as genocide. The reason everyone thinks what you typed is because of the extremists. They unfortunately have placed the perception of Islam as a 'jihadist' religion. But Islam does not have any teachings that recommend violence in any way.
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True.

And also if we're being honest, Islam is really nothing more than a plagarism of Christianity and Judaism. If you studied the religion rather than just what you read on internet blogs or hear on right wing radio, you would know this.

95% or more of the Koran really is straight from the Torah and Bible. Which isn't a surprise if you consider who Muhammad was before he became Prophet. He was a merchant who traveled across the middle east. He took trade routes across Arabia and into Jerusalem where he met many Jews and Christians. It was from these men that he formulated his religion. He pretty much wanted to give his largely pagan Arab people at that time a monotheistic religion like Judaism and Christianity.

I know it's trendy to hate on Islam. But the religion is really no different from Christianity and Judaism. The Islamic extremists just focus on the extreme elements of the religion. Elements that I might add also exist in Christianity and Judaism that thankfully almost all Christians and Jews reject.
 
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Modern day Muslims are much more violent and morally wrong than Christians in general. That's all I know. Most "moderate Muslims" have terrible views
 
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jlindsa4 said:
Are you serious? Do you know about the dark ages? The crusades?
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You don't understand the point. Our savior taught us to turn the other cheek, and specifically not to fight natural wars with natural weapons. A lot of power hungry or ignorant men have usurped the cause of Christ. There is no such thing as a natural "holy" war to a follower of Christ. Our weapons are not carnal.
 
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I can't help but read with a bit of incredulous reaction.
Muslims (or any non Christian religion for that matter) do something violent in the name of their God, then it's a reflection of that religion.
Christians commit violence "in the name of God" it doesn't count because they are not representative of what Christianity truly is..
Maybe, just maybe, it's the same for those that commit violence in the name of other religions,... not the entirety.
 
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chargervol said:
I can't help but read with a bit of incredulous reaction.
Muslims (or any non Christian religion for that matter) do something violent in the name of their God, then it's a reflection of that religion.
Christians commit violence "in the name of God" it doesn't count because they are not representative of what Christianity truly is..
Maybe, just maybe, it's the same for those that commit violence in the name of other religions,... not the entirety.
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Read the NT and what Jesus said then read the Koran and what their prophet said then get back to the discussion.
 
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Ron Swanson said:
Disliking Muhammad Ali is unamerican. SMH
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On what planet is not liking a racist, cheating, child ostracizing, belittling, and deflecting human being un- American? He told all black people to call Joe Frazier an Uncle Tom after Joe donated him money for deflecting. He's not a role model. He was important for the sport. But not liking someone like that isn't "un-American."


Now go ahead and tell me all the ways I'm wrong for not supporting someone who was the greatest in his sport.
 
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Wickman said:
On what planet is not liking a racist, cheating, child ostracizing, belittling, and deflecting human being un- American? He told all black people to call Joe Frazier an Uncle Tom after Joe donated him money for deflecting. He's not a role model. He was important for the sport. But not liking someone like that isn't "un-American."
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Ali's accomplishments outside of the ring are significantly more important than his accomplishments in the ring. Though he was "The Greatest" he's not even the best boxer of all time in his own weight class.
 
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jlindsa4 said:
It doesn't. In fact the Koran says that killing one person is on the same level as genocide. The reason everyone thinks what you typed is because of the extremists. They unfortunately have placed the perception of Islam as a 'jihadist' religion. But Islam does not have any teachings that recommend violence in any way.
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“But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.” Ch. 9:5 (at-Tawba)

Then there is:

"2.190. Fight against those who fight against you in the way of Allah, but do not transgress, for Allah does not love transgressors.

2.191. Kill them whenever you confront them and drive them out from where they drove you out. (For though killing is sinful) wrongful persecution is even worse than killing. Do not fight against them near the Holy Mosque unless they fight against you; but if they fight against you kill them, for that is the reward of such unbelievers.

2.192. Then if they desist, know well that Allah is Ever-Forgiving, Most Compassionate.

2.193. Keep on fighting against them until mischief ends and the way prescribed by Allah prevails. But if they desist, then know that hostility is only against the wrong-doers."

It's all about the interpretation and context as taken by the various sects, just like it is in other religions of the world. To deny what it says is just as wrong. It says what it says.

But you will never read where the scripture of the Holy Bible's New Testament authorizes the Christian, follower (disciple) of Jesus Christ, to do those same things as quoted above to others. In fact he said to love your enemies and seek to turn them away from their sins and to forgive them 70 times 7 (infinite). Which is what he did throughout his days on earth and as he was being executed.

Religion is never the answer. Faith in Christ coming from a renewed heart is always the answer.
 
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JacketVol said:
Read the NT and what Jesus said then read the Koran and what their prophet said then get back to the discussion.
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How about I've read both but let's also include the much more fire and brimstone OT. And you don't tell which discussion I should join because you don't like descending views.
That suits the conversations at home with the "submissive" wife more than open internet discussions.
 
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delfonic said:
Anyone who fails to see the vast similarities between the two is willfully ignorant.
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I have to question your intelligence if you can justify literally millions of Muslims that want to kill anyone that doesn't belive their form of Islam even other Muslims. I know of zero Christians other than the occasional wacko nutjob that believes in anyway that killing innocent people in the name if God is acceptable. If you can dispute that then I'll be glad to engage a conversation with you. If not I'll simply let your comments speak for themselves.
 
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