Does butch want Peyton?

Gentlemen, here is the link (Peyton Manning talks about future, possibility of being QB coach at Tennessee - DanPatrick.com) to the interview that, to the best of my knowledge, originally started this conversation. Therein, Peyton categorically eliminated consideration of a head coaching position and didn’t even reference the offensive coordinator’s role. Dan Patrick specifically asked, “Well, what if Tennessee calls and says we need a quarterback coach? I mean you can’t turn down your alma mater.” Peyton offered the following response, “Quarterbacks coach I would do at Tennessee. Head coach absolutely not. For whatever reason people in Tennessee like me right now. You become head coach and cut it in half. Why are you throwing on fourth-and-1? Why did you punt there when you should have gone for it? It’s like being in politics. Quarterback coach you can stay under the radar. You get your quarterbacks throwing a lot of completions, you probably could stay in good favor. Maybe if they call, that’d be something."

If you take the context and tone of that interview into consideration, however, there definitely was a lot of joking, so it's difficult to know just how seriously one should take Peyton's remarks. (Listen, for example, to the segment where Peyton enumerates all of the NFL quarterbacks that he would defeat in a 40-yard dash.) Of this we can be certain, however. Peyton truly loves the University of Tennessee and its football program. He probably would never say it, but he undoubtedly realizes that he could be a tremendous asset to the long-term success of his alma mater's football program. He says in this interview, "I enjoy teaching football and that's kind of what I feel I do at our football camp. I enjoy talking about football and teaching things I've learned as a quarterback through the years." Consequently, nobody in the country would have more fundamentally sound or better prepared quarterbacks than Tennessee. Because of this, nobody would enjoy greater success recruiting quarterbacks than Tennessee. Every high-school quarterback with NFL aspirations, particularly pro-style ones, would be foolish not to give Tennessee serious consideration.

Although he very well may not choose to pursue this path, it also must be admitted that Peyton has a very strong sense of historical legacy. It could be argued hypothetically that his legacy at the University of Tennessee is NOT finished and that he could enhance it by something very dear to our collective hearts: NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIPS. Just as there was a massive, trickle-down effect in recruiting during Peyton's playing career at Tennessee, there would be a massive, trickle-down benefit from having Peyton on staff as quarterbacks coach: (1) recruitment at the quarterback position; (2) across-the-board recruiting windfall as a result of regularly having elite quarterbacks on our roster; (3) state-of-the-art instruction in playing the quarterback position; (4) Ph.D.-level "seminars" for our quarterbacks in the art of dissecting defenses.

As much energy and time as Butch Jones puts into recruiting already, he is quite capable of seeing the big-picture ramifications of having Peyton on staff. Whatever the size of Butch's ego may be, Peyton's strategic value to the pursuit of NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIPS should supersede any considerations about interpersonal chemistry.
 
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I didn't take what Butch said that way at all. It is true that just because someone is a great player doesn't mean they would be a great coach.
 
People with 8 figure net worths don't aspire to this.

The only way it could work is if A) Jones completely trusted Manning, whom he probably barely knows, and B) Manning really and truly wanted to just be the QB coach, out of the spotlight, practically invisible. It would be almost impossible for him to be on the staff without implicitly undermining Jones, which can't happen.

Manning has probably $200 million in the bank and young children he'd like to spend time around. No way in hell he wants a background role carrying the water for someone else.
 
The only way it could work is if A) Jones completely trusted Manning, whom he probably barely knows, and B) Manning really and truly wanted to just be the QB coach, out of the spotlight, practically invisible. It would be almost impossible for him to be on the staff without implicitly undermining Jones, which can't happen.

Manning has probably $200 million in the bank and young children he'd like to spend time around. No way in hell he wants a background role carrying the water for someone else.

It's completely ludicrous to even consider. It's the trailer park frenzy that Chris Fowler talked about years ago.
 
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It's completely ludicrous to even consider. It's the trailer park frenzy that Chris Fowler talked about years ago.

I think any other fanbase in the same situation would behave the same way; I just don't think any other school in the country has a comparable messiah-like figure around. If they did they'd be wanting their guy to walk on water too.
 
I think any other fanbase in the same situation would behave the same way; I just don't think any other school in the country has a comparable messiah-like figure around. If they did they'd be wanting their guy to walk on water too.

Definitely not exclusive to Tennessee, but it's still just a backwards mentality. We did the same thing with Johnny Majors.
 
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At least Majors was an experienced head coach and had no national profile. This is like expecting a US president to leave office and come home to sit on the school board.
 
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And fwiw, if Butch was to have an off season or two, it would be much easier to move someone else up (Peyton) in the head coach slot. See Majors/Fulmer. So if you're on the hot seat, or almost on the hot seat, would you hire someone that 99% of the fanbase idolizes, and would love to see as a coach? Could very well be hiring your replacement.

Bingo
 
I would think that if CBJ was hesitant part of it could be the recruiting aspect. You really need a guy with fire in his belly to recruit and a lot of that comes from guys wanting to improve their resume, their salary, and position. None of that would give Peyton fire to burn up the recruiting trail and that may be a major red flag. Plus .... and I hate to say it as I really disagree with it .... but how does one like Peyton handle the I want to be paid aspect. Butch might have some work arounds "grey areas" with the NCAA that you don't want to have to explain to someone like Peyton. Again this is something I don't like but just spit balling some thoughts of why it would be hard to bring Peyton in.
 
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Not really sure why people think Peyton would be such a great coach....to my knowledge he has no coaching experience.

Same with why do you think he'd be such a great recruiter? Once again, to my knowledge he's never done it.

Just because he is one of the best UT players of all time and an NFL all time great does not necessarily equate to a great coach.....or even good coach for the much.

Because he was such a great student of the game. His knowledge alone could improve a qb.

His name alone would positively impact qb recruits for the next 8+ years. What qb wouldn't want him as a mentor in this generation? Not to mention his character and reputation playing a role.

He may not be a great a coach, only time will tell, but you'd be an idiot to pass on giving him a chance and letting a rival reap the rewards.
 
At least Majors was an experienced head coach and had no national profile. This is like expecting a US president to leave office and come home to sit on the school board.

Talk about a screwed up school board.

There would be a crime wave of parents trying to raise tuition money for private schools.
 
Peyton would have to start as a GA right? I thought you needed a masters to coach college football. With that said he'd be a heck of a GA.
 
Peyton would have to start as a GA right? I thought you needed a masters to coach college football. With that said he'd be a heck of a GA.

Every university has its own requirements; it's not like there's any federal law that makes it a uniform requirement.

Some only require a bachelor's degree of their athletic coaches, though a lot do prefer a master's. Some schools require a teaching certificate (which is mostly the equivalent of a bachelor's, but can be taken post-graduate the way a master's degree is). Almost all require that the coach have some emergency medical training, like CPR certification.

I don't think Peyton would have trouble with any of this, if he wanted to join the coaching ranks.
 
Butch reacts to question about Peyton Coaching at UT

Here's what I read. It was only one sentence so it didn't seem necessary to link.

Chat, I read your link. There is absolutely nothing in that link that would lead me to your conclusions. There is a big difference in hanging out with the team and giving pointers and the responsibility of coaching. That is ALL he said.

People, stop getting your hopes and dreams up around Peyton coaching. It isn't going to happen anytime soon.
 
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No offense, but I don't recognize any depth of knowledge here. Playing the game...even at the height to which Peyton raised it...doesn't at all reveal an acumen for a high-end coaching situation; one which isn't simple, as you dubiously declared it to be. Please explain a "Jedi business mind." That's quite a broad statement. "CEO, nothing more, nothing less?" seriously? Let's see your list of HOF NFL qbs who're big time college coaches of bona-fide power houses. The only football "job," I can see Peyton undertaking, aside from working with qbs and the passing game and ONLY with UT, is him possibly owning or co-owning an NFL franchise. If I'm wrong, then rest assured I'll admit it when proven so, but I'm guessing you've never played the game and certainly never coached at any level. This isn't even apples to oranges...it's hippos to whales. AMIRIGHT?:compute:

Again with the challenge to name HOF QBs that have gone on to be a winning coach. Name the pool of candidates that meet these criteria. Someone said Bart Starr and Johnny U. Anyone in the last 40 years? Maybe it hasn't happened because no one has tried.

And yeah, I'll stick to my glorified cEO analogy. You have expertise in your field, often at a level that far surpasses that of your peers. You build an organization. And you lead. Yes, I think it is that simple. The pool of qualified candidates is tiny. Ex players do flame out. My argument is that Peyton, more so than most any other player of his caliber in the history of the game, has what it takes to coach at a high level. It's a business enterprise. Peyton was a MASTER apprentice for 20 years. He could figure it out. The same can't be said for most other players, that's not what I'm saying, so don't confuse the point. I think some people give the profession too much credit.
 
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