Does butch want Peyton?

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chattavol420 said:
Please don't merge immediately...I know there have been a ton of "Peyton to ut" threads but butchs comments in Memphis made me scratch my head. When asked about the rumors he said we he's welcome to be around our players anytime he wants but coaching is totally different from playing

Please don't kill me here but I've questioned both butchs arrogance and overall intelligence because of various factors. (I've always heaped praise on him for his work ethic and recruiting, but still get labeled as negavol)

So a couple of questions...would butch not want Peyton because that would take credit away from him? Or Is Butch unable to recognize how amazing of an improvement Peyton would immediately make for at both offensive play calling and recruiting? It was just a really weird comment to act like he's maybe not qualified or capable. Peyton was the greatest on the field coach in the history of football. It's way he was so successful as a qb
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Does Butch want a line of 5 & 4 star players wrapped around the entrance to the Athletic Facility pitching their case to play for Tennessee?
 
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Here's a hypothetical for ya. What if Peyton feels like he has a little unfinished business at UT and wants to help win a Natty?
 
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If I'm Butch (or a fan with concern), the issue would be almost like backup QB syndrome. As soon as Petyon joined the staff, people would be calling for him to become head coach every single time Butch lost a game. You'd be inviting a guy who, at least to some of the fans, can literally do no wrong. It's a dangerous setup even though I think Manning would be phenomenal as a QB coach and have the same type of effect on QB recruiting as Cutcliffe.
 
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HuntlandVolinColo said:
Does Butch want a line of 5 & 4 star players wrapped around the entrance to the Athletic Facility pitching their case to play for Tennessee?
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Seriously? This is where some of you get a little over optimistic about the impact he would have.

It Tennessee takes care of business on the field this year, they will have that anyway.
 
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avolation said:
Here's a hypothetical for ya. What if Peyton feels like he has a little unfinished business at UT and wants to help win a Natty?
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I thought the same thing. What if Peyton wants to watch those last few seconds tick off the clock as we cruise to a a victory over the Gators? It's one thing to watch from the sidelines as a VIP guest but would be oh so sweet knowing you helped orchestrate the win that gets us to Atlanta.
 
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ruger1234 said:
I thought the same thing. What if Peyton wants to watch those last few seconds tick off the clock as we cruise to a a victory over the Gators? It's one thing to watch from the sidelines as a VIP guest but would be oh so sweet knowing you helped orchestrate the win that gets us to Atlanta.
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I'd imagine Super Bowl rings tend to heal that pain...
 
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volfan102455 said:
Seriously? This is where some of you get a little over optimistic about the impact he would have.

It Tennessee takes care of business on the field this year, they will have that anyway.
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Seriously, wouldn't you want your kid to be tutored by the best-brained and best-work ethic QB of all time.

Should instantly make us top 3 WR/QB U again not to mention OL, TE and others who would want to be part of something special.
 
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If I was Peyton or Coach Jones, these unrealistic expectations that some of you have would be enough to tread lightly here.

If he became QB coach the expectation that some of you would then place on the QB's would be unreal - and if they failed - who would you blame? The coach as you have for other failures or the players because after all they are being coached by the best?
 
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Probably_in_Class said:
If I'm Butch (or a fan with concern), the issue would be almost like backup QB syndrome. As soon as Petyon joined the staff, people would be calling for him to become head coach every single time Butch lost a game. You'd be inviting a guy who, at least to some of the fans, can literally do no wrong. It's a dangerous setup even though I think Manning would be phenomenal as a QB coach and have the same type of effect on QB recruiting as Cutcliffe.
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Can totally understand that. And it could be toxic. However I think Peyton would be a great position coach or coordinator and would hate if he coached for someone other than us. People fawn over Tee Martin around here everytime his name comes up they want him back as a coach. What's different with Peyton? We'd rather Peyton go prove his worth at Kentucky before settling in USC first?
 
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volfan102455 said:
If I was Peyton or Coach Jones, these unrealistic expectations that some of you have would be enough to tread lightly here.

If he became QB coach the expectation that some of you would then place on the QB's would be unreal - and if they failed - who would you blame? The coach as you have for other failures or the players because after all they are being coached by the best?
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Unrealistic expectations are a way of life around here anyway
 
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volfan102455 said:
Seriously? This is where some of you get a little over optimistic about the impact he would have.

It Tennessee takes care of business on the field this year, they will have that anyway.
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Its not that crazy to think his impact would be huge. Look at Tee Martin at USC. Wasnt he ranked as the #1 recruiter recently? And Tee was just an average QB in college and a terrible pro QB. Peyton would be an absolute goldmine for recruiting.
 
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golfballs said:
Can totally understand that. And it could be toxic. However I think Peyton would be a great position coach or coordinator and would hate if he coached for someone other than us. People fawn over Tee Martin around here everytime his name comes up they want him back as a coach. What's different with Peyton? We'd rather Peyton go prove his worth at Kentucky before settling in USC first?
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No, it would definitely be crushing to see him coaching anywhere else. He's the type of guy who gets on your staff based on player resume alone. I just think it would be best if at his intro press conference he made it perfectly clear he had no desire to be the head coach. Period (which I believe he's stated previously in interviews).
 
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Volunteer_Kirby said:
No college in their right mind is going to hand over the reigns of their offense to a guy who has 0 experience coaching at the high school, collegiate or NFL level. That's all I meant by him not qualifying to be an OC. With a few years as a QB (or WR / RB even) coach he could definitely qualify to call that shots, at least in terms of play calling. Spurrier, Harbaugh, Garrett, T Martin, June Jones etc all took similar paths. It takes time.
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I would bet my retirement savings that several college programs would hire Peyton as oc with zero experience. Probably not top tier programs (but it wouldn't shock me if it happened), but some would. What's the risk? You still lose eight games a year, like you were doing before the hire. You now sell out games, ESPN picks up your games, and you've found a way to be relevant without actually being good at football. Tons of programs would kill to have that situation. And who knows, Peyton might actually have picked up some skills during his football and entrepreneurial career that will help him actually be a good coach.

People act like being a college coach is something Peyton would have to plod away at before achieving success. Give me a break. If you understand the game like Peyton does, you communicate and build relationships like Peyton does, you're ultra organized and have a Jedi business mind like Peyton does, I think you can put it together and coach a freakin football team. Think about all the complete nit wit coaches that have won games. You're a CEO, nothing more, nothing less. Know your stuff, build a staff, and lead. That's it.
 
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MannyD said:
I would bet my retirement savings that several college programs would hire Peyton as oc with zero experience. Probably not top tier programs (but it wouldn't shock me if it happened), but some would. What's the risk? You still lose eight games a year, like you were doing before the hire. You now sell out games, ESPN picks up your games, and you've found a way to be relevant without actually being good at football. Tons of programs would kill to have that situation. And who knows, Peyton might actually have picked up some skills during his football and entrepreneurial career that will help him actually be a good coach.

People act like being a college coach is something Peyton would have to plod away at before achieving success. Give me a break. If you understand the game like Peyton does, you communicate and build relationships like Peyton does, you're ultra organized and have a Jedi business mind like Peyton does, I think you can put it together and coach a freakin football team. Think about all the complete nit wit coaches that have won games. You're a CEO, nothing more, nothing less. Know your stuff, build a staff, and lead. That's it.
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The thing is, I don't think Peyton has any interest at all in working his way up. If say MTSU offers him the OC job tomorrow, he doesn't jump on it cause it's an instant move to the OC level. He has WAY more money than could possibly use, and enough prestige to command almost any job. In my opinion if he's interested in coaching, it's only because he has a goal to better his alma mater. His immediate rejection of broadcasting tells me he won't waste his time on anything he's not passionate about post NFL.
 
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chattavol420 said:
Please don't merge immediately...I know there have been a ton of "Peyton to ut" threads but butchs comments in Memphis made me scratch my head. When asked about the rumors he said we he's welcome to be around our players anytime he wants but coaching is totally different from playing

Please don't kill me here but I've questioned both butchs arrogance and overall intelligence because of various factors. (I've always heaped praise on him for his work ethic and recruiting, but still get labeled as negavol)

So a couple of questions...would butch not want Peyton because that would take credit away from him? Or Is Butch unable to recognize how amazing of an improvement Peyton would immediately make for at both offensive play calling and recruiting? It was just a really weird comment to act like he's maybe not qualified or capable. Peyton was the greatest on the field coach in the history of football. It's way he was so successful as a qb
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Now I remember why I had you on ignore...
 
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Probably_in_Class said:
The thing is, I don't think Peyton has any interest at all in working his way up. If say MTSU offers him the OC job tomorrow, he doesn't jump on it cause it's an instant move to the OC level. He has WAY more money than could possibly use, and enough prestige to command almost any job. In my opinion if he's interested in coaching, it's only because he has a goal to better his alma mater. His immediate rejection of broadcasting tells me he won't waste his time on anything he's not passionate about post NFL.
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I agree. I was just responding to the idea that no college program would hire hirm as a coordinator with no experience. I have no idea what Peyton wants to do. If he were to coach, I could see the NFL in his future.

One thing's for sure though. Butch Jones def ain't drafting his own termination letter by hiring Peyton.
 
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Cam someone name 5 HOF QBs who made the transition to college coaching at the championship level? Heck, how about 1?
 
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YorkVol said:
Cam someone name 5 HOF QBs who made the transition to college coaching at the championship level? Heck, how about 1?
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A better question would be to name 5 HOF QBs who even bothered to try coaching. Most of them ride off into retirement and enjoy the cakewalk of broadcasting or enjoying time with family/golfing. It's not necessarily that they can't. It's that they have no desire/need to go for it...
 
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MannyD said:
I would bet my retirement savings that several college programs would hire Peyton as oc with zero experience. Probably not top tier programs (but it wouldn't shock me if it happened), but some would. What's the risk? You still lose eight games a year, like you were doing before the hire. You now sell out games, ESPN picks up your games, and you've found a way to be relevant without actually being good at football. Tons of programs would kill to have that situation. And who knows, Peyton might actually have picked up some skills during his football and entrepreneurial career that will help him actually be a good coach.

People act like being a college coach is something Peyton would have to plod away at before achieving success. Give me a break. If you understand the game like Peyton does, you communicate and build relationships like Peyton does, you're ultra organized and have a Jedi business mind like Peyton does, I think you can put it together and coach a freakin football team. Think about all the complete nit wit coaches that have won games. You're a CEO, nothing more, nothing less. Know your stuff, build a staff, and lead. That's it.
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No offense, but I don't recognize any depth of knowledge here. Playing the game...even at the height to which Peyton raised it...doesn't at all reveal an acumen for a high-end coaching situation; one which isn't simple, as you dubiously declared it to be. Please explain a "Jedi business mind." That's quite a broad statement. "CEO, nothing more, nothing less?" seriously? Let's see your list of HOF NFL qbs who're big time college coaches of bona-fide power houses. The only football "job," I can see Peyton undertaking, aside from working with qbs and the passing game and ONLY with UT, is him possibly owning or co-owning an NFL franchise. If I'm wrong, then rest assured I'll admit it when proven so, but I'm guessing you've never played the game and certainly never coached at any level. This isn't even apples to oranges...it's hippos to whales. AMIRIGHT?:compute:
 
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Obstacles to Manning volunteer coaching.

1) I believe the NCAA Div I athletic sports rules DO NOT allow volunteer coaches in football or basketball.

So, if true and I believe it is, Manning can not volunteer as a QB coach, OC, or any other position.

2) The rules also, only allow for a certain number of staff "coaches" who have contact with players. UT already has all thoe positions filled. Unless someone gets fired, "laterally transferred", or "strategically promoted", that ain't gonna happen either.

Point is, there's a lot of compliance involved to even get Manning to a point he can even be a coach that participates on field and in recruiting.
 
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Probably_in_Class said:
A better question would be to name 5 HOF QBs who even bothered to try coaching. Most of them ride off into retirement and enjoy the cakewalk of broadcasting or enjoying time with family/golfing. It's not necessarily that they can't. It's that they have no desire/need to go for it...
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Or energy. They put their heart and soul in the game as players, most don't have the kind of energy to do the same as a coach, especially the recruiting trail. They might get re-energized by a new mission such as business or politics, but hard to imagine any of them going to 26 satellite camps in 30 days.
 
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