Florida streak (split)

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KBVol said:
Who's Florida's QB has had very little to do with Tennessee's last 3 losses to them...really doesn't matter who it is or to some extent how well and certsinly how consistently they play.


2013- Driskel went down to injury early while throwing a pick 6 and had a 1.6 QBR for the 1st quarter. He was replaced by junior Tyler Murphy who had no stats at Florida prior to then....he proceeded to look like the second coming of Randall Cunningham in leading Florida to the win. Of course, he was bad enough the rest of the season that Muschamp ran him off and he transferred to Boston College.

2014- Driskel was epicly, historically awful in Neyland for 3 full quarters. He threw 3 interceptions deep in his own territory, had 59 passing yards and finished with an 8.4 QBR. Treon Harris, who was a god-awful D1 QB, came in and didn't do much more. Combined, they were 13-27 for 76 yds, no tds and 3 ints....and we still lost at home before a sold out, rabid, orange and white checkered home crowd.

2015- prior to the last 2 drives, Grier wasn't very good...he was downright pedestrian at very best...12 of 25 for 134 yds, no tds, 1 interception. But of course, when it came time to win the game because he was playing Tennessee, he looked like Joe Montana....on the last 2 drives, he was 11 of 17 for 149 yds and 2 tds.

Therefore, one can easily conclude that it really doesn't matter who Florida's QB will be this year. It hasn't much mattered at all in recent history.
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QB play has determined the last 3 games, but it has been our QBs, not theirs. Starting Peterman in 13, Worley getting stripped sacked deep in our territory in 14, Dobbs being afraid to throw it and also being strip sacked deep in our territory in 15. When Butch grows some balls and actually lets His QBs pass the ball against good defenses we'll see this series turn around
 
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I do not think it is possible to overstate just how awful Harris was at QB and how mind numbingly atrocious our place kicking game was last year. Epically terrible, in all respects.
 
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Vol8188 said:
No it doesn't. They've had more talent.
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They may have had a little more talent, on the field, but we have CBJ! I'll be surprised if they even show up for the game this year, the mention of CBJ's name, makes them get weak in the knees......... SEC This Year!!!:rock:
 
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08Vol said:
QB play has determined the last 3 games, but it has been our QBs, not theirs. Starting Peterman in 13, Worley getting stripped sacked deep in our territory in 14, Dobbs being afraid to throw it and also being strip sacked deep in our territory in 15. When Butch grows some balls and actually lets His QBs pass the ball against good defenses we'll see this series turn around
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There is no doubt he's grown a pair this year, did it brick by brick, SEC and a good shot at the NC THIS YEAR!!!
 
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08Vol said:
QB play has determined the last 3 games, but it has been our QBs, not theirs. Starting Peterman in 13, Worley getting stripped sacked deep in our territory in 14, Dobbs being afraid to throw it and also being strip sacked deep in our territory in 15. When Butch grows some balls and actually lets His QBs pass the ball against good defenses we'll see this series turn around
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I think they were trying to pass when they were strip sacked...
 
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I40flyer said:
They may have had a little more talent, on the field, but we have CBJ! I'll be surprised if they even show up for the game this year, the mention of CBJ's name, makes them get weak in the knees......... SEC This Year!!!:rock:
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Butch Jones is the reason why UT lost last year.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I do not think it is possible to overstate just how awful Harris was at QB and how mind numbingly atrocious our place kicking game was last year. Epically terrible, in all respects.
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And both contributed greatly to wins over Tennessee each of the last 2 years. You just can't make this stuff up.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
Butch Jones is the reason why UT lost last year.
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Butch certainly blew some decisions vs FL last year--that's not debatable. But there were many things that cost us the game in addition to coaching. Two years in a row w/ not one player drafted says something at least as powerful about the state of UT's roster. A dumpster fire like we've had in Knoxville over the better part of the past decade yields all sorts of reasons to fail. Took years of mismanagement to create and has taken years to sort out. Media-driven SJW nonsense aside, Butch has done so much good since arriving in Knoxville that I, for one, can forgive his well-documented in-game errors as long as he shows that lessons are being learned and mistakes won't be repeated. I'm sure St. Nick down on the Capstone has had a few calls in his career he'd like back, although few if anyone can see that far back over the pile of championships he's accumulated.

I continue to believe Florida's dominance during (and before) their current winning streak vs UT has had more to do with superior talent and superior coaching rather than bad luck and jinxes as some on here seem to believe.

With that premise in mind, the proverbial worm has turned. I would trade neither rosters nor coaching staffs with the gators coming into this season. That doesn't guarantee a Tennessee win of course, but my limited powers of observation tell me that change is a comin' in the East. [Sidenote: Except for Georgia, that is. Not Kirby nor anyone else can keep Georgia from being Georgia. It's in the water and it's in their blood...no program in America has ever done less with more than Georgia. Doubt that ever changes.]

As for the Vols and Gators, we'll see what shakes out in September. Shoop hire was huge.

GBO
 
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08Vol said:
QB play has determined the last 3 games, but it has been our QBs, not theirs. Starting Peterman in 13, Worley getting stripped sacked deep in our territory in 14, Dobbs being afraid to throw it and also being strip sacked deep in our territory in 15. When Butch grows some balls and actually lets His QBs pass the ball against good defenses we'll see this series turn around
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I'll give you 2013....Peterman turned in one of the worst QB performances since the invention of mud. But, if you'll recall, Driskel opened the scoring for the day......for Tennessee....... when he threw the pick 6 to stake us to an early 7-0 lead....he had a 1.6 QBR in his only quarter of work. And, if you go back and look at the second half, Worley was pretty good in relief of Nathan, certainly not bad enough to put the loss on his play IMO.

2014- you missed pretty bad here. While Worley wasn't a world beater, he did throw for 205 yards (vs Florida's qb's combined 76). And while he did throw a couple picks, one was in Florida's endzone, the other in Florida territory.....none were like Driskel's 3 interceptions, all deep in his own territory, setting Tennessee up either inside the redzone or very close to it on three separate occasions.

And speaking of "deep in our own territory", you clearly misremembered the last play of the 3rd quarter when Worley was sacked and then fumbled.....that played started at our own 43, seven yards short of midfield. Even after Tabor recovered it, they were still only at our 30 yard line with a brand new, inexperienced QB.

2015- I don't think anybody could possibly put last year's loss on Josh Dobbs. He had a phenomenal game, leading the team in passing, rushing and receiving. Where I can and will agree with you is the point about Jones not letting him throw the ball. Tabor was suspended, Hargreaves was injured/hobbled and Jones and DeBord either didn't notice or didn't care.

A final point or two about the game. The strip sack of Dobbs certainly didn't help matters, but it also surely didn't lose the game. Florida scored soon after to pull to within 6...but we answered right back a couple drives later with Dobbs coming up huge both running and throwing the ball, so that we were quickly back up by 13. Also, as I mentioned earlier, Grier wasn't good for most of the game....prior to the last two drives, he was 12-25 for about 135 yds, no tds and a pick.
 
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KBVol said:
I'll give you 2013....Peterman turned in one of the worst QB performances since the invention of mud. But, if you'll recall, Driskel opened the scoring for the day......for Tennessee....... when he threw the pick 6 to stake us to an early 7-0 lead....he had a 1.6 QBR in his only quarter of work. And, if you go back and look at the second half, Worley was pretty good in relief of Nathan, certainly not bad enough to put the loss on his play IMO.

2014- you missed pretty bad here. While Worley wasn't a world beater, he did throw for 205 yards (vs Florida's qb's combined 76). And while he did throw a couple picks, one was in Florida's endzone, the other in Florida territory.....none were like Driskel's 3 interceptions, all deep in his own territory, setting Tennessee up either inside the redzone or very close to it on three separate occasions.

And speaking of "deep in our own territory", you clearly misremembered the last play of the 3rd quarter when Worley was sacked and then fumbled.....that played started at our own 43, seven yards short of midfield. Even after Tabor recovered it, they were still only at our 30 yard line with a brand new, inexperienced QB.

2015- I don't think anybody could possibly put last year's loss on Josh Dobbs. He had a phenomenal game, leading the team in passing, rushing and receiving. Where I can and will agree with you is the point about Jones not letting him throw the ball. Tabor was suspended, Hargreaves was injured/hobbled and Jones and DeBord either didn't notice or didn't care.

A final point or two about the game. The strip sack of Dobbs certainly didn't help matters, but it also surely didn't lose the game. Florida scored soon after to pull to within 6...but we answered right back a couple drives later with Dobbs coming up huge both running and throwing the ball, so that we were quickly back up by 13. Also, as I mentioned earlier, Grier wasn't good for most of the game....prior to the last two drives, he was 12-25 for about 135 yds, no tds and a pick.
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He had 83 freaking yds passing dude, and since he is the QB, he should be the leading passer. Jennings and Kamara had 82 combined. Jones didn't call pass plays because Dobbs is not a good passer.
 
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I wouldn't trade a single one of Tennessee's position groups for one of Florida's.

QB - Tennessee is better
RB - Tennessee is better
OL - Tennessee is better
WR - Even, but only if Callaway is back for the Gators
Special teams - Tennessee is better
DL - Tennessee is better
LB - Tennessee is better
DB - Tennessee is better
 
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Nasavol said:
He had 83 freaking yds passing dude, and since he is the QB, he should be the leading passer. Jennings and Kamara had 82 combined. Jones didn't call pass plays because Dobbs is not a good passer.
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Easy Chief. He threw the ball 14 times all day before the last drive. If you read any of my posts on Josh, you'll see that I readily acknowledge Josh's accuracy issues. But we all but completely abandoned the pass vs Florida last year, despite the fact that Florida was pretty much missing their two best corners. That's not his fault. And since he completed 65% of the passes Jones actually allowed him to throw, I gotta believe he'd have had a much better day through the air if he'd have attempted more passes.

You're free to discount his performance last year, but there's just no way you or anybody else can tie that loss to him or suggest that he didn't play well enough for Tennessee to win.....he had 277 of our 419 total yards....or approximately 2/3 of all our yards.

And while it's true he should've been our leading passer since he's our QB, should he also have been our leading rusher and our leading receiver as well? Of course not.
 
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norrislakevol said:
i wouldn't trade a single one of tennessee's position groups for one of florida's.

Qb - tennessee is better
rb - tennessee is better
ol - tennessee is better
wr - even, but only if callaway is back for the gators
special teams - tennessee is better
dl - tennessee is better
lb - tennessee is better
db - tennessee is better
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I must lol. This sh!t here is hilarious af.
 
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Nasavol said:
I think they were trying to pass when they were strip sacked...
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That came out wrong. I didn't mean for Butch to just add more passing plays, I meant for the team to embrace a passing offense. Get the o-line to pass protect for the first time in his tenure. Hell after the OU game Debord said something along the lines of "we weren't prepared to stop the blitz." Teams have to be able to pass the ball to win at cfb nowadays.
 
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KBVol said:
I'll give you 2013....Peterman turned in one of the worst QB performances since the invention of mud. But, if you'll recall, Driskel opened the scoring for the day......for Tennessee....... when he threw the pick 6 to stake us to an early 7-0 lead....he had a 1.6 QBR in his only quarter of work. And, if you go back and look at the second half, Worley was pretty good in relief of Nathan, certainly not bad enough to put the loss on his play IMO.

2014- you missed pretty bad here. While Worley wasn't a world beater, he did throw for 205 yards (vs Florida's qb's combined 76). And while he did throw a couple picks, one was in Florida's endzone, the other in Florida territory.....none were like Driskel's 3 interceptions, all deep in his own territory, setting Tennessee up either inside the redzone or very close to it on three separate occasions.

And speaking of "deep in our own territory", you clearly misremembered the last play of the 3rd quarter when Worley was sacked and then fumbled.....that played started at our own 43, seven yards short of midfield. Even after Tabor recovered it, they were still only at our 30 yard line with a brand new, inexperienced QB.

2015- I don't think anybody could possibly put last year's loss on Josh Dobbs. He had a phenomenal game, leading the team in passing, rushing and receiving. Where I can and will agree with you is the point about Jones not letting him throw the ball. Tabor was suspended, Hargreaves was injured/hobbled and Jones and DeBord either didn't notice or didn't care.

A final point or two about the game. The strip sack of Dobbs certainly didn't help matters, but it also surely didn't lose the game. Florida scored soon after to pull to within 6...but we answered right back a couple drives later with Dobbs coming up huge both running and throwing the ball, so that we were quickly back up by 13. Also, as I mentioned earlier, Grier wasn't good for most of the game....prior to the last two drives, he was 12-25 for about 135 yds, no tds and a pick.
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The importance of those two fumbles in 14 and 15 is they both happened when we were leading in the 2nd half. UF needed a big play to get back into the game and they got it. When we forced turnovers against them they resulted in field goals or nothing, not TDs. Butch is too happy to accept 3 points, reminds me of the Fulmer vs Spurrier days. UT has it 4th and 2 at the UF 20, Fulmer kicks a field goal. UF has it 4th and 5 at the UT 30, Spurrier calls for a deep pass that connects for a TD.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
If you want me to respond them it's very simple.

What do you think happened around 1976 that changed the dynamics of the Tennessee/Florida series from say the previous 100 years?

Before the early 70s, the SEC was an overwhelmingly white conference. All the players were white. Little by little, however, black folks started making up more and more of the player pool. Its no surprise schools like Florida, Florida State, and Miami all took off around this time. Before the 80s, the Florida schools were not special. Since then they've owned college football. The state of Florida has a larger population of African Americans than any other state in the union except New York and Georgia (which are only slightly ahead of Florida).

Tennessee in contrast has only 1/3 the African American population of Florida and thus a smaller player pool.

We sustained better success against Georgia (eventhough Georgia has such a large African Americans population) because for most of the last 40 years because we (along with the other SEC powers) have raided the state of Georgia of many of it's best black players. If Georgia ever locked down the state, no one would ever beat them. This is the reason Saban says it's the best job.
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This post confirms to me beyond any reasonable doubt that you're just hopelessly effing stupid.
 
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norrislakevol said:
I wouldn't trade a single one of Tennessee's position groups for one of Florida's.

QB - Tennessee is better
RB - Tennessee is better
OL - Tennessee is better
WR - Even, but only if Callaway is back for the Gators
Special teams - Tennessee is better
DL - Tennessee is better
LB - Tennessee is better
DB - Tennessee is better
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Come on now.
 
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08Vol said:
Butch is too happy to accept 3 points, reminds me of the Fulmer vs Spurrier days. UT has it 4th and 2 at the UF 20, Fulmer kicks a field goal. UF has it 4th and 5 at the UT 30, Spurrier calls for a deep pass that connects for a TD.
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I can see your point. You wish Spurrier was our coach instead of Fulmer. Or Fulmer coached like Spurrier. Or you hope Butch begins to go for it like Spurrier.
 
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08Vol said:
The importance of those two fumbles in 14 and 15 is they both happened when we were leading in the 2nd half. UF needed a big play to get back into the game and they got it. When we forced turnovers against them they resulted in field goals or nothing, not TDs. Butch is too happy to accept 3 points, reminds me of the Fulmer vs Spurrier days. UT has it 4th and 2 at the UF 20, Fulmer kicks a field goal. UF has it 4th and 5 at the UT 30, Spurrier calls for a deep pass that connects for a TD.
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You'll get no argument from me about anything you've written here. It's all right on the money.
 
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norrislakevol said:
Which position group has more talent and depth then?
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So it's now talent and depth?

Just go ahead rattle a bunch of bodies that haven't really done much besides Barnett, JRM, Kirkland, Kelly and Sutton.

Are we doing this based on stats, depth numbers or rankings?
 
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HialeahGator said:
So it's now talent and depth?

Just go ahead rattle a bunch of bodies that haven't really done much besides Barnett, JRM, Kirkland, Kelly and Sutton.

Are we doing this based on stats, depth numbers or rankings?
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Make your case using any metric of your choosing.
 
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