Florida streak (split)

[Lawrence Wright]

Can you tell us why you think this team will be more talented? Are you banking on true freshmen to be big time contributors immediately like we were last year?

We will be more talented because Treon Harris is no longer our QB, and Austin Hardin is no longer our kicker.

Not sure what true freshmen you're referring to, other than maybe Cleveland at WR.

 

[fossilfiction]

We will be more talented because Treon Harris is no longer our QB, and Austin Hardin is no longer our kicker.

Not sure what true freshmen you're referring to, other than maybe Cleveland at WR.

It is hard to argue about Florida being better at QB. It has to be an upgrade over what Treon brought to the table. If not the 2016 season for Florida might be really discouraging for you all.

 

[codymcvfl]

Alabama plays 12 regular season games each year. They go into each game with typically a large talent advantage. They typically lose only one game a year (and usually in a flukey way...remember all those turnovers against Ole Miss). 11-1 is a typical Alabama regular season.

So we've lost to Florida 11 straight games. Most have been blowouts. And a few have been close and could have gone either way. If you think of our 11 year streak as an Alabama season then it isn't that surprising we've lost that many games to Florida.

Usually it takes luck and many shots to beat a more talented team. Against Alabama the less talented team succeeds typically 1 out of every 12 times. I don't know why 0 of 11 shocks you?

I couldn't even get past the first page of this thread lol. You guys who think like this are comical. Anyone with half a brain could have watched the UT/UF games of 2014 and 2015 and clearly tell Tennessee should have won those games, but blew both. Florida absolutely wasn't more talented and it showed. Draft picks or not. FCS teams have draft picks, that doesn't mean ad much as you guys think. Whether you want to admit it or not, or butts get tight and we play and coach scared late in the games against UF.

 

[norrislakevol]

You believe what you want, but there will be 5+ Gators drafted from the 2016 defense. Among them are two defensive linemen.

I have said it before and will say it again. You go on rankings all you want. The 2016 Gators are far superior, on paper, than the 2015 Gators.....assuming The QB situation isn't a God awful mess.

I agree that there are NFL prospects on that defense, but there is a drop-off in talent behind those. That affects your quality depth which rears its ugly head late in games.

I really don't see how you can get better with less raw talent on your defense.

 

[KBVol]

True. But football is an emotional game. And if you are thinking national championship all year and that dream is dashed, you're probably not gonna be up for a game that means nothing.

There's a fine line between winning and losing. A slightly less motivated team will not play as well as they could properly motivated.

Football isn't an emotional game at all. Its strictly, purely, 100% ONLY about talent. Whoever has more wins, whoever has less loses. You've said that many times yourself, right? No other factors.

 

[norrislakevol]

We will be more talented because Treon Harris is no longer our QB, and Austin Hardin is no longer our kicker.

Not sure what true freshmen you're referring to, other than maybe Cleveland at WR.

Yes, due to Del Rio replacing Harris at QB the Gators upgrade here. The important question is; is Del Rio an upgrade over Grier, who was a 67% passer headed into the Tennessee game last year? That would be very hard to do. Maybe he looked better in practice last year, but Peterman looked like the best QB on our roster in practice for a couple of years.

 

[Lawrence Wright]

Yes, due to Del Rio replacing Harris at QB the Gators upgrade here. The important question is; is Del Rio an upgrade over Grier, who was a 67% passer headed into the Tennessee game last year? That would be very hard to do. Maybe he looked better in practice last year, but Peterman looked like the best QB on our roster in practice for a couple of years.

If you're suggesting that Grier is the barometer of whether UF's offense will be better in 2016, based on his completion percentage last year against defensive juggernauts New Mexico State, East Carolina and Kentucky...I respectfully disagree.

 

[norrislakevol]

If you're suggesting that Grier is the barometer of whether UF's offense will be better in 2016, based on his completion percentage last year against defensive juggernauts New Mexico State, East Carolina and Kentucky...I respectfully disagree.

Seemed to do fine against Tennessee and Ole Miss!

 

[Lawrence Wright]

Seemed to do fine against Tennessee and Ole Miss!

Ole Miss was his best game by far.

He played like garbage the first 50 minutes against you guys, then the magical steroids kicked in.

Revisionist history is awesome though...no one on VN feared Will Grier heading into our game last year based on his completion percentage up to that point.

 

[HialeahGator]

Ole Miss was his best game by far.

He played like garbage the first 50 minutes against you guys, then the magical steroids kicked in.

Revisionist history is awesome though...no one on VN feared Will Grier heading into our game last year based on his completion percentage up to that point.

This. The great thing about Mac's system is being QB friendly. IF the QB can his crossing and seam routes then they'll have chances to hit big plays down field. Problem with TH was he couldn't hit any of those so he would force things down field.He either hit for a big gain or missed terribly.TEs are very instrumental in the system. It's based on the West Coast system.

 

[jakez4ut]

interesting getting FL perspective. i think you guys actually sound a lot like we did last year. i hear addition by subtraction, if this guy pans out or that guy does this...there's talent behind these guys...etc....

that's not to say you will or won't have a good season, i just think that there/s questions that have to be answered. I think FL is far from a sure thing. which is how i felt about us last year. there's a chance you could be really good. but you have to have more right answers than wrong ones. if not, probably end up like we did. good season, good team, but nothing really to show for it.

i think this window for FL being a question mark is not going last, i think UGA will stay at least as good as they have been, if not a little better going forward, and i don't see us going away anytime soon.

i think the EAst is about to get back to how it used to be with a 3 headed monster once again.

buckle up, i think it's going to be an extremely competitive next 4-5 years.

 

[KBVol]

Yes, due to Del Rio replacing Harris at QB the Gators upgrade here. The important question is; is Del Rio an upgrade over Grier, who was a 67% passer headed into the Tennessee game last year? That would be very hard to do. Maybe he looked better in practice last year, but Peterman looked like the best QB on our roster in practice for a couple of years.

Who's Florida's QB has had very little to do with Tennessee's last 3 losses to them...really doesn't matter who it is or to some extent how well and certsinly how consistently they play.


2013- Driskel went down to injury early while throwing a pick 6 and had a 1.6 QBR for the 1st quarter. He was replaced by junior Tyler Murphy who had no stats at Florida prior to then....he proceeded to look like the second coming of Randall Cunningham in leading Florida to the win. Of course, he was bad enough the rest of the season that Muschamp ran him off and he transferred to Boston College.

2014- Driskel was epicly, historically awful in Neyland for 3 full quarters. He threw 3 interceptions deep in his own territory, had 59 passing yards and finished with an 8.4 QBR. Treon Harris, who was a god-awful D1 QB, came in and didn't do much more. Combined, they were 13-27 for 76 yds, no tds and 3 ints....and we still lost at home before a sold out, rabid, orange and white checkered home crowd.

2015- prior to the last 2 drives, Grier wasn't very good...he was downright pedestrian at very best...12 of 25 for 134 yds, no tds, 1 interception. But of course, when it came time to win the game because he was playing Tennessee, he looked like Joe Montana....on the last 2 drives, he was 11 of 17 for 149 yds and 2 tds.

Therefore, one can easily conclude that it really doesn't matter who Florida's QB will be this year. It hasn't much mattered at all in recent history.

 

[jakez4ut]

thanks KB, appreciate that walk down memory lane. those three games we had no business losing. mercy.

 

[KBVol]

thanks KB, appreciate that walk down memory lane. those three games we had no business losing. mercy.

I could see losing the 2013 game at Florida. We were historically bad Jones' first year and Florida had an incredibly good defense. I personally don't really point to that one as a bad loss per se, because we were awful. The last 2 years though, yes, we were the better team each time and had absolutely no business losing either time.

Btw, you're welcome Jake 😁😉

 

[jakez4ut]

I could see losing the 2013 game at Florida. We were historically bad Jones' first year and Florida had an incredibly good defense. I personally don't really point to that one as a bad loss per se, because we were awful. The last 2 years though, yes, we were the better team each time and had absolutely no business losing either time.

Btw, you're welcome Jake 😁😉

TGIF. and you're right, 2013 was what it was.

 

[Boca Vol]

Ole Miss was his best game by far.

He played like garbage the first 50 minutes against you guys, then the magical steroids kicked in.

Revisionist history is awesome though...no one on VN feared Will Grier heading into our game last year based on his completion percentage up to that point.

Most on here were laughing at what a joke Grier was. But the magic pills kicked in on the last 2 drives. Lulz!

 

[KBVol]

Most on here were laughing at what a joke Grier was. But the magic pills kicked in on the last 2 drives. Lulz!

Haha. Yeah, iirc, Barnett nearly snapped Grier in half on the 3rd down incomplete pass right before young Will threw the 63 yard game winner to Calloway.

So, it's actually more nuanced than you even knew Boc. Those "magic steroid pills" worked on some plays during the last 2 drives but not on others. I mean, I figured he'd have gone all Incredible Hulk on that 3rd down play and thrown Barnett off him and to the ground like a proverbial rag doll.....however, those damn pills must've taken a play off or something.

But then, incredibly, they must've all of a sudden hit and attached the right receptors just in the nick of time and delivered some type of bollus dose or something on that 4th down play, cause clearly, without that, there's no way Grier makes that throw. Lol.

 

[Lawrence Wright]

Haha. Yeah, iirc, Barnett nearly snapped Grier in half on the 3rd down incomplete pass right before young Will threw the 63 yard game winner to Calloway.

So, it's actually more nuanced than you even knew Boc. Those "magic steroid pills" worked on some plays during the last 2 drives but not on others. I mean, I figured he'd have gone all Incredible Hulk on that 3rd down play and thrown Barnett off him and to the ground like a proverbial rag doll.....however, those damn pills must've taken a play off or something.

But then, incredibly, they must've all of a sudden hit and attached the right receptors just in the nick of time and delivered some type of bollus dose or something on that 4th down play, cause clearly, without that, there's no way Grier makes that throw. Lol.

Our LT (transfer from Fordham) was a turnstile on that 3rd down play, and Grier wasn't 100% after Barnette clobbered him.

So it makes perfect sense to spy a gimpy QB who isn't a threat to run on 4th and 14. :blink:

 

[UT-Rex]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dobbs 4 Heisman View Post
The last 11 years have nothing to do with next year.

There is alot of buzz concerning this team and bUTch has changed our team from being an embarrassment to something we can be proud of.

I really thought we had the advantage in '015, re: their OL + 1st yr HCJM, and I def believe we are stonger this year than last.

But I think I see D4H's point:

Yr 2 had nothing to do with year 1 ; Yr 6 had nothing to do with years 1-5 ; Yr 11 had nothing to do with years 1-10.

 

[KBVol]

Our LT (transfer from Fordham) was a turnstile on that 3rd down play, and Grier wasn't 100% after Barnette clobbered him.

So it makes perfect sense to spy a gimpy QB who isn't a threat to run on 4th and 14. :blink:

Everybody knows that. Spy him, only rush 3 and drop your safeties deep. Lol.

To get into further detail about the stupidity of that scheme call, here's how the RockyTopInsider guys recall it....


"Tennessee used the same defensive-front look each time, (on 4th down late in the game) that three-man rush with Chris Weatherd spying on each occasion. Again, think about the overall context of the situation. Yes, Will Grier has some athleticism, but his biggest run of the day was 12 yards and by that final instance, Grier was limping, grabbing his arm and beat up overall. The odds of him running for the first, especially on fourth and 14, seem very low. The Vols had tremendous success bringing pressure and putting the onus on Grier to make the play under duress earlier in the game, but didn’t try that approach on any of these fourth downs."

 

[Lawrence Wright]

Everybody knows that. Spy him, only rush 3 and drop your safeties deep. Lol.

To get into further detail about the stupidity of that scheme call, here's how the RockyTopInsider guys recall it....


"Tennessee used the same defensive-front look each time, (on 4th down late in the game) that three-man rush with Chris Weatherd spying on each occasion. Again, think about the overall context of the situation. Yes, Will Grier has some athleticism, but his biggest run of the day was 12 yards and by that final instance, Grier was limping, grabbing his arm and beat up overall. The odds of him running for the first, especially on fourth and 14, seem very low. The Vols had tremendous success bringing pressure and putting the onus on Grier to make the play under duress earlier in the game, but didn’t try that approach on any of these fourth downs."

Albert Einstein had a word for that.

 

[AM64]

Again, you don't have enough experience as a fan to see the differences between the rivalries. See if this helps....here are the records and trends over the last 40 or so years, which I think we can agree is both more the modern era when we've played all 3 much more regularly and, a healthy sample size:

Georgia- since 1973, we've played them 29 times...we're 14-15 (.482), there has a lot of give and take and each team has good winning streaks vs the other. In that span, Georgia has streaks of 4, 4 and 5 in a row, while we have streaks of 9 and 2 in a row with other wins mixed in.

Alabama- the last 40 times we've played, we're 14-25-1 (.350) vs Bama, and while the Tide has controlled the series winning nearly 2/3 of the games played, each team has gone on runs has significant winning streaks....Bama has streaks of 6, 7 and 9, while we have streaks of 4, 7 and 2.

Florida- since 1976, we've played them 30 times and are 6-24 (.200). Florida has thoroughly dominated, there's been no "give and take"....only once in the last 30 years have we beaten them twice in a row, while Florida has win streaks of 4, 5 and 11 in a row.

So, in summation, vs our 3 biggest rivals, Georgia, Bama and Florida over the last 40 years, we've been much more competitive vs 2 of them, Georgia and Bama, 28-40-1 (.406) and we have shown the ability to punch back with wins streaks of our own....whereas with the last 30 seasons, we've not beaten the Gators more than twice in a row, while losing 80% of the time.

Do you still not see the glaring difference? Alabama has been the best team in college football the last 6 or 7 years, the losses have been expected and recent history shows that the tables are likely to turn soon and we'll go on a winning streak vs the Tide...4 or 5 or so in a row.

Same goes for Georgia. We came close in 2013 & 2014 and last year we knocked down the door. Do you not feel confident we'll make it two in a row this year? I know I do, and history shows that it's about time we rip off a win streak vs them, perhaps even like the 9 game streak in 1989/92-99.

Florida however?.....not so much.

I don't know how or why, but I've always thought a big part of the problem is playing FL so early in the season. FL has a tendency through multiple coaches to start well and fade - especially in their off years. But with ups and downs and coaching changes on both teams, the streak defies any real logic. The only other thing might be conditioning - heat and humidity is a factor that could favor FL early in the season.

 

[sofflavol]

Who's Florida's QB has had very little to do with Tennessee's last 3 losses to them...really doesn't matter who it is or to some extent how well and certsinly how consistently they play.


2013- Driskel went down to injury early while throwing a pick 6 and had a 1.6 QBR for the 1st quarter. He was replaced by junior Tyler Murphy who had no stats at Florida prior to then....he proceeded to look like the second coming of Randall Cunningham in leading Florida to the win. Of course, he was bad enough the rest of the season that Muschamp ran him off and he transferred to Boston College.

2014- Driskel was epicly, historically awful in Neyland for 3 full quarters. He threw 3 interceptions deep in his own territory, had 59 passing yards and finished with an 8.4 QBR. Treon Harris, who was a god-awful D1 QB, came in and didn't do much more. Combined, they were 13-27 for 76 yds, no tds and 3 ints....and we still lost at home before a sold out, rabid, orange and white checkered home crowd.

2015- prior to the last 2 drives, Grier wasn't very good...he was downright pedestrian at very best...12 of 25 for 134 yds, no tds, 1 interception. But of course, when it came time to win the game because he was playing Tennessee, he looked like Joe Montana....on the last 2 drives, he was 11 of 17 for 149 yds and 2 tds.

Therefore, one can easily conclude that it really doesn't matter who Florida's QB will be this year. It hasn't much mattered at all in recent history.

No lie my anxiety started kicking in reading that. Smh

 

[99gator]

Can you tell us why you think this team will be more talented? Are you banking on true freshmen to be big time contributors immediately like we were last year?

It's really not hard.

Since the Charley Pell era, last season featured arguably the worst offensive line, worst wide receiver corps, worst QB (post Grier) and worst kicker in that time span. All on the same team.

I can't make an argument for a worse offensive line. I don't ever remember a situation that bad.....ever. The only argument I can make for WR was the late 80's where, due to probation, Florida converted running backs and defensive backs to WR. QB....Donald Douglas in 1989 is extremely competitive. Kicker....I have nothing to compare that to. A choice between last year's kicking game and Gary Busey on a 3 day bender and I'm thinking.....hell, let's see what that Busey guy can do.

Not only were players at those positions that bad....at that point in time (i say that because I think some of the problems on the o-line were from being true fresh), but that they were in a new system with a new head coach and were thrown completely into a mess by the QB's departure mid season.

So, right off the bat, several positions are going to be much better. OL, QB, K, WR. At each one of those positions (except K), not only is the talent better, but there are more of them. I would also tell you that RB and TE will be better, but the level of improvement won't be quite as obvious. At the other positions, Stevie Wonder can see the difference.

 

[99gator]

I don't know how or why, but I've always thought a big part of the problem is playing FL so early in the season. FL has a tendency through multiple coaches to start well and fade - especially in their off years. But with ups and downs and coaching changes on both teams, the streak defies any real logic. The only other thing might be conditioning - heat and humidity is a factor that could favor FL early in the season.

I hate to go there, but the reason Florida does so well early in the year is the same reason Tennessee does so well in November.