Florida streak (split)

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VOL 4 Life 83 said:
I initially thought you were Josh Dobbs, but after contemplating it, I figured it out.

You're a closet gator fan impersonating a UT/Dobbs lover. Well played sir.
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Yes. The guy whose predicting we beat Florida next year is the gators fans. And all you clowns who think it's our birthright to lose to Florida are the real Tennessee fans.

Sounds right.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Yes. The guy whose predicting we beat Florida next year is the gators fans. And all you clowns who think it's our birthright to lose to Florida are the real Tennessee fans.

Sounds right.
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YOU are the self-admitted fair weather bandwagon fan, only jumping on the train because we are the hot commodity. I bet you wear a bama shirt in your house don't you?
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
I thought someone said it best a few posts back. Once the ball kicks off this crap doesn't matter.

This stuff is only fodder for our weak pathetic fans.
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Weak pathetic fans? Cool. Disrespecting everyone on this board that supports the orange and white. Please stop posting...
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
That's why I'm focusing on recruiting rankings so much. I did the whole looking at talent on the field and thought Florida would be terrible last year. Instead they were really good last year not only beating us almost everyone else in the SEC as well.

If I paid more attention to the recruiting rankings I wouldn't have made that mistake.
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Based on that, you should have no reason to believe Tennessee beats Florida this season....no problem.

I added up the rivals rankings from 2013-2016. All of tennessee's rankings add up to 46 for an average rank of 11.5.

During the same time Florida's rankings add up to 50 for an average rank of 12.5.

Basically, based on these numbers, you are splitting hairs.

So, why (if one is looking at numbers) is Tennessee going to win big, no problem?

Wouldn't one conclude that it would be a hard, close fought game that would go right down to the wire?
 
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99gator said:
Based on that, you should have no reason to believe Tennessee beats Florida this season....no problem.

I added up the rivals rankings from 2013-2016. All of tennessee's rankings add up to 46 for an average rank of 11.5.

During the same time Florida's rankings add up to 50 for an average rank of 12.5.

Basically, based on these numbers, you are splitting hairs.

So, why (if one is looking at numbers) is Tennessee going to win big, no problem?

Wouldn't one conclude that it would be a hard, close fought game that would go right down to the wire?
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It's taking D4H a while to spin this one.
 
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Vol8188 said:
The idea that these streaks in anyway impact future performance is absurd.
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It actually does matter if the players and coaches let it. You've got that built up aggression and energy of hearing about how you've lost, the Gator players talking cash **** for months now, you're ready to take someone's head off and then you are playing too hard and you're thinking and not reacting. Next thing you know, you've committed 3 personal fouls, you're down 2 scores and the air is taken out of the building and the doubt creeps in. Then you have an up hill battle to climb. You and D4H are a little off on this. It's real, see 1996.
 
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99gator said:
Based on that, you should have no reason to believe Tennessee beats Florida this season....no problem.

I added up the rivals rankings from 2013-2016. All of tennessee's rankings add up to 46 for an average rank of 11.5.

During the same time Florida's rankings add up to 50 for an average rank of 12.5.

Basically, based on these numbers, you are splitting hairs.

So, why (if one is looking at numbers) is Tennessee going to win big, no problem?

Wouldn't one conclude that it would be a hard, close fought game that would go right down to the wire?
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The 2013 class ranking and the 2016 class ranking are not very relevant to the 2016 football season. Ohio State had the #2 ranked class in 2013. However, the top 6 or 7 players from that class left early for the NFL. You think Ohio State still has the 2nd most talented 2013 class still on campus?

Too many guys leave early nowadays for the senior class recruiting rankings to be relevant. Its more so the junior and sophomore class rankings that matter. Those are the guys that'll make up the majority of guys on the field this season.

Like Ohio State, most of Florida's highly ranked players from the 2013 class left early for the NFL (like Vernon Hargreaves, Kelvin Taylor, Keanu Neal, and Demarcus Robinson). Plus freshmen as a class rarely make a big impact. Its usually just one or two stud freshmen that show out. Most are either average or complete non-factors.

So in reality it's the sophomore and junior class rankings that really matter to the success of teams in the 2016 season. And it's because of our advantage in those two classes that'll make up the bulk of talent on the field September 24 that'll make the difference.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
The 2013 class ranking and the 2016 class ranking are not very relevant to the 2016 football season. Ohio State had the #2 ranked class in 2013. However, the top 6 or 7 players from that class left early for the NFL. You think that class ranking is relevant to Ohio State's success this year?

Like Ohio State, most of Florida's highly ranked players from the 2013 class left early for the NFL (like Vernon Hargreaves, Kelvin Taylor, Keanu Neal, and Demarcus Robinson). Plus freshmen as a class rarely makes a big impact. Its usually just one or two stud freshmen that show out.

So in reality it's the sophomore and junior class rankings that really matter to the success of teams in the 2016 season. And it's because of our advantage in those two classes that'll make up the bulk of talent on the field September 24 that'll make the difference.
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I gotta hand it to you. You can sure say a lot without really saying much at all...
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
The 2013 class ranking and the 2016 class ranking are not very relevant to the 2016 football season. Ohio State had the #2 ranked class in 2013. However, the top 6 or 7 players from that class left early for the NFL. You think that class ranking is relevant to Ohio State's success this year?

Like Ohio State, most of Florida's highly ranked players from the 2013 class left early for the NFL (like Vernon Hargreaves, Kelvin Taylor, Keanu Neal, and Demarcus Robinson). Plus freshmen as a class rarely make a big impact. Its usually just one or two stud freshmen that show out. Most are either average or complete non-factors.

So in reality it's the sophomore and junior class rankings that really matter to the success of teams in the 2016 season. And it's because of our advantage in those two classes that'll make up the bulk of talent on the field September 24 that'll make the difference.
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Well, you also need to average only the black players rankings as well. They make the difference.
 
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VOL 4 Life 83 said:
I gotta hand it to you. You can sure say a lot without really saying much at all...
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Its the truth. Notre Dame had a top 5 class in the 2013. Most of the studs from that class left early. Ole Miss had a top 10 class in 2013 and we all know what happened to the 3 guys that gave them the high rating.

In some ways Tennessee's 2013 class looks stronger than Ohio State, Notre Dame, and Ole Miss right now because while almost all of our main guys stayed, those other teams lost all the highly rated guys that gave them a top 10 class in the first place.

Too many guys leave early nowadays for the senior class recruiting rankings to be relevant. The sophomore and junior class rankings are the only ones that matter.
 
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I'm playing devil's advocate for an argument I don't believe in.

I think only looking at recruiting rankings is a fool's game. Depsite Florida's recruiting rankings entering last season, a transfer from Fordham was starting at tackle.

Despite Tennessee's recruiting rankings, a walk on was starting at linebacker.

At some point, a 3 star turns into an all-American, a solid starter, a useful backup, or a total bust. At that point, I don't look at them as a "3 star". The same can be said with a 4 star and 5 star players as well.

In addition, there is attrition. There is coaching.

To just look at recruiting ranking is foolish....imo
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Its the truth. Notre Dame had a top 5 class in the 2013. Most of the studs from that class left early. Ole Miss had a top 10 class in 2013 and we all know what happened to the 3 guys that gave them the high rating.

In some ways Tennessee's 2013 class looks stronger than Ohio State, Notre Dame, and Ole Miss right now because while almost all of our main guys stayed, those other teams lost all the highly rated guys that gave them a top 10 class in the first place.

Too many guys leave early nowadays for the senior class recruiting rankings to be relevant. The sophomore and junior class rankings are the only ones that matter.
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It's a bastardization of something which is tested for multiple years. Your version, however, isn't truth.

CFB matrix, if you're interested.
 
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99gator said:
I'm playing devil's advocate for an argument I don't believe in.

I think only looking at recruiting rankings is a fool's game. Depsite Florida's recruiting rankings entering last season, a transfer from Fordham was starting at tackle.

Despite Tennessee's recruiting rankings, a walk on was starting at linebacker.

At some point, a 3 star turns into an all-American, a solid starter, a useful backup, or a total bust. At that point, I don't look at them as a "3 star". The same can be said with a 4 star and 5 star players as well.

In addition, there is attrition. There is coaching.

To just look at recruiting ranking is foolish....imo
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Probably one of the more logical posts today.
 
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McDad said:
It's a bastardization of something which is tested for multiple years. Your version, however, isn't truth.

CFB matrix, if you're interested.
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Averaging out the junior-sophomore rankings is actually the best method if you're just using recruiting rankings.

But I agree none of this stuff of dispositive. Auburn has recruited top 10 classes the last 4 years but was complete garbage last year. So using this method doesn't always work. But it is better than almost any other method in trying to predict how teams will do in an upcoming season.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Averaging out the junior-sophomore rankings is actually the best method if you're just using recruiting rankings.

But I agree none of this stuff of dispositive. Auburn has recruited top 10 classes the last 4 years but was complete garbage last year. So using this method doesn't always work. But it is better than almost any other method in trying to predict how teams will do in an upcoming season.
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Thats a great theory, D4H. It may be so profound it literally changes how Vegas sets lines.

However, it isn't the "best" unless it is tested and reproducible. The average of last 4 years rankings with no adjustment for attrition actually predicts with 70% (i think) accuracy.
 
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McDad said:
Thats a great theory, D4H. It may be so profound it literally changes how Vegas sets lines.

However, it isn't the "best" unless it is tested and reproducible. The average of last 4 years rankings with no adjustment for attrition actually predicts with 70% (i think) accuracy.
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Has anyone tried using just the sophomore/junior classes?

Logically it would seem to be more accurate.

Because using the 2013 rankings when most of the top rated guys on Ohio State left makes no sense. It also makes no sense to use the freshmen class ranking when most freshmen don't start or play that much.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Has anyone tried using just the sophomore/junior classes?

Logically it would seem to be more accurate.

Because using the 2013 rankings when most of the top rated guys on Ohio State left makes no sense. It also makes no sense to use the freshmen class ranking when most freshmen don't start or play that much.
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Not everyone that plays football leaves after their junior year for the draft, so yes you do have to take into account the senior class. Furthermore, many freshmen contribute on special teams, some even getting playing time. Not all freshmen redshirt. So yes, you have to weigh all 4 classes. Only considering the junior/sophomore classes disregards half the team, which is where the depth comes into play.
 
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VOL 4 Life 83 said:
Not everyone that plays football leaves after their junior year for the draft, so yes you do have to take into account the senior class. Furthermore, many freshmen contribute on special teams, some even getting playing time. Not all freshmen redshirt. So yes, you have to weigh all 4 classes. Only considering the junior/sophomore classes disregards half the team, which is where the depth comes into play.
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If almost everyone that gave Ohio State the #2 class in 2013 is already gone to the NFL why give them credit for that in 2016?

It would give you a false idea on the strength of Ohio State's roster. Sure all their seniors didn't leave early but the most talented of the soon to be seniors are gone. Our #24 ranked 2013 class is right now stronger than Ohio State's 2013 class.
 
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EZE said:
They play in the d@mned ACC - big difference.
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That damned ACC team beat the brakes off the Big 12 team (Oklahoma) 37-17 that came into Neyland and beat us. That same damned ACC team barely lost to the best team (Bama) in the SEC the last 6-7 years, 45-40, while rolling up over 500 yards of offense. What's exactly the "big" difference?
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
If almost everyone that gave Ohio State the #2 class in 2013 is already gone to the NFL why give them credit for that in 2016?

It would give you a false idea on the strength of Ohio State's roster. Sure all their seniors didn't leave early but the most talented of the soon to be seniors are gone. Our #24 ranked 2013 class is right now stronger than Ohio State's 2013 class.
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Bama only lost two early exits from the number one ranked class in 2013. Dropping that class from your figures would screw things up pretty good, wouldn't it?
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
If almost everyone that gave Ohio State the #2 class in 2013 is already gone to the NFL why give them credit for that in 2016?

It would give you a false idea on the strength of Ohio State's roster. Sure all their seniors didn't leave early but the most talented of the soon to be seniors are gone. Our #24 ranked 2013 class is right now stronger than Ohio State's 2013 class.
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While Ohio State had a lot of players leave, not all were juniors, not all were seniors. I promise you there are some highly talented, experienced guys that are gonna be filling their shoes. You have to weigh all 4 years.

So what your saying is the guys that make up our senior class shouldn't be counted? There are some stud guys that are seniors; JRM, Sutton, Josh Smith, and your fav Dobbs. So we shouldn't consider them in the rankings? Is it false advertisement showing that a lot of our talent is in the senior class? You're not making sense.
 
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