Florida streak (split)

#127
#127
Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
I don't really know or care about the ancient past. All I know is when I started following Tennessee football we traded wins and losses with Florida in the early 2000s when both programs were good. Then we became garbage they got Urban Meyer and proceeded to destroy us. Then we got even worse and everyone started beating is including down Florida teams.

You can go back to 1976. I'll just focus on the games and teams I watched play.
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I know you don't care about this traditional rivalry and the facts that come from it....as you said, you've been an on and off fan only since 2004....or, as we all know them, "The Brent Schaeffer Days", lol!

Your lack of interest goes beyond your fair weather fandom, I get it....it's primarily because it doesn't line up with your "nothing matters, ever, beyond this season" mindset. But to understand the nature of this "rivalry" and the frustration of true, actual fans of Tennessee, it's important to know the history of the series. And if you can read the history of it, see that UT has lost 11 straight and 24 of 30 and think that it's only a matter of which team has more physical talent, then you're not nearly as informed and bright as I'd given you credit for.
 
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#128
#128
Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
I don't know why it's so hard for yall to accept the fact this program has been hot pile of horse manure the last 10 years. We've only climbed out of the abyss last year.

You can put me on the record right now. If we lose to Florida again this year (short of a myriad of catatrophic injuries to our star players) I'll join you in this belief that supernatural forces are keeping Tennessee from beating Florida.

If we win however I don't wanna hear any of this crap again. You deserve what you get. Nothing has kept Tennessee from winning other than lack of talent. PERIOD.
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Be careful. Theres a search feature that allows us to look up posts from the past.

Id hate to research that post where you declared Tennessee easily more talented last season.

Id also hate to list all the teams, like Georgia Southern, that somehow managed to get it done
 
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#129
#129
VOL 4 Life 83 said:
And south carolina has beaten florida 4 out of the last 5 years, and D4H still wants to blame talent on us losing 11 straight years....
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Dude, we've sucked. And when we haven't Fla. Outplayed, or out coached us. Sometimes the better team loses. Memphis beat OM. OM beat Bama, Bama won a NC, but could Memphis? What exactly are you trying to imply? That were cursed? Or that it's mental, or we suck? I'd have to agree that mentally, it does matter a lot and always has. It used to be who decided the East, still can be. Every UT team wants to be the one to break the streak. So, yeah, the pressure is on. But more times than not, it's going to be the better team and coach. Last year, we fielded a better team that day. The coaches got out coached. I think Butch learned that and Shoop could change it
 
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VolForLife83 said:
Dude, we've sucked. And when we haven't Fla. Outplayed, or out coached us. Sometimes the better team loses. Memphis beat OM. OM beat Bama, Bama won a NC, but could Memphis? What exactly are you trying to imply? That were cursed? Or that it's mental, or we suck? I'd have to agree that mentally, it does matter a lot and always has. It used to be who decided the East, still can be. Every UT team wants to be the one to break the streak. So, yeah, the pressure is on. But more times than not, it's going to be the better team and coach. Last year, we fielded a better team that day. The coaches got out coached. I think Butch learned that and Shoop could change it
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I'm not arguing your points in this post at all. As a matter of fact, I agree with pretty much everything you have said. My MAIN argument with D4H stems from him blatantly disregarding the history of our so-called rivalry with Florida, discounting the fact that the history of the matchup matters every year they face each other. The main thing I am trying to stress is that the players/coaches/staff all know and want to beat florida and forgetting about what has happened to this team over the last 11 years would be detrimental to the motivation of the game.
 
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#132
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99gator said:
Be careful. Theres a search feature that allows us to look up posts from the past.

Id hate to research that post where you declared Tennessee easily more talented last season.

Id also hate to list all the teams, like Georgia Southern, that somehow managed to get it done
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99 I've already highlighted that little tidbit of a fact (Georgia Southern), South Carolina, Missouri, Vandy but there is no use.

Every team can get beaten on any given Saturday. For some reason, Saturday for us against Florida has proven not so good.
 
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#133
Anybody hear Jimmy McElwain being a smart ass today on the conference call? Basically saying "we'll just be lucky to be there... They're going to beat the heck out of us. Why even show up?"
 
#134
#134
VolForLife83 said:
Dude, we've sucked. And when we haven't Fla. Outplayed, or out coached us. Sometimes the better team loses. Memphis beat OM. OM beat Bama, Bama won a NC, but could Memphis? What exactly are you trying to imply? That were cursed? Or that it's mental, or we suck? I'd have to agree that mentally, it does matter a lot and always has. It used to be who decided the East, still can be. Every UT team wants to be the one to break the streak. So, yeah, the pressure is on. But more times than not, it's going to be the better team and coach. Last year, we fielded a better team that day. The coaches got out coached. I think Butch learned that and Shoop could change it
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But you're kind of agreeing with him there with your points. And, btw, I agree with what you've said here.

Because it's Florida, Tennessee feels more pressure, has less confidence/belief, and typically finds ways to lose to the Gators. Yes, there have been plenty of times that the better, more talented Florida team just lined up and took the game, there was nothing our guys could do. But there have also been times when the better Tennessee just pushed away an all but certain win....I give you 2014 and 2015 as exhibits A and B.

Given the status of both our programs and how we've recruited respectively over the last 40 years, I don't believe that there's any way we should be 6-24 vs them the last 30 times we've played. Just no way. 10-20? 12-18? Hell, even 15-15. Ok, still sucks, but at least that's more in line with how competitive we should be against them. But losing 8 of every 10 we've played? Nah, not buying it, and to produce that depth of losing vs what should be a contemporary, not a superior, requires more than just a deficit of talent. No voodoo, no black magic, no "supernatural forces" like some on here have mocked, just good old fashion human nature.
 
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99gator said:
Be careful. Theres a search feature that allows us to look up posts from the past.

Id hate to research that post where you declared Tennessee easily more talented last season.

Id also hate to list all the teams, like Georgia Southern, that somehow managed to get it done
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I'd laugh if those posts ended up being edited with this date.
 
#136
#136
VOL 4 Life 83 said:
Per 247 recruiting rankings for UT vs Florida:

2007: 3rd (UT) 1st Florida (I would call that a wash)
2008: 34th 6th Florida (anomaly year)
2009: 8th 7th Florida (wash)
2010: 9th 1st Florida (not a wash, but close)
2011: 14th 11th Florida (basically a wash)
2012: 20th 4th Florida (more talent Florida)
2013: 24th 3rd Florida (more talent Florida)
2014: 7th 9th Florida (wash)
2015: 4th 21st Florida (more talent UT)
2016: 14th 13th Florida (wash)

So 3 out of the past 10 recruiting cycles Florida has a significantly better class than us, while one of those years we have had a significantly better recruiting class. The other years essentially being a wash, since you yourself D4H said if your not recruiting top 5/10 you're not competitive.

So further explain why we haven't been able to beat them based on the GIGANTIC talent disparity? Seems to me there have been some pretty equal talent levels per recruiting, but we still can't beat them.
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The #1 class vs. #9 class is not close. And if you look at those numbers it goes one year with closely rated classes then 2 years with huge advantage for Florida.

I wouldn't class that equal recruiting levels.
 
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Hmm, that's odd, because I seem to remember Clemson competing with the big boys the past few years, and making it to the NC game, losing only by 5 points, all with only ONE class ranked inside the top 10 in the past 5 years.

So keep making that asinine assumption. You're throwing sh*$ at the wall hoping it sticks.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
The last 11 years have nothing to do with next year.
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I absolutely agree with this. I truly believe we not only beat Florida this year, but do so convincingly. Matter of fact, if I don't fly to Knoxville for the game, I might fly west and drop a grand on the Vols in the desert.

Spread will probably be Vols -3 to -7, and anything under -6 is a steal IMO.
 
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VOL 4 Life 83 said:
Hmm, that's odd, because I seem to remember Clemson competing with the big boys the past few years, and making it to the NC game, losing only by 5 points, all with only ONE class ranked inside the top 10 in the past 5 years.

So keep making that asinine assumption. You're throwing sh*$ at the wall hoping it sticks.
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They play in the d@mned ACC - big difference.
 
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#140
#140
99gator said:
Be careful. Theres a search feature that allows us to look up posts from the past.

Id hate to research that post where you declared Tennessee easily more talented last season.

Id also hate to list all the teams, like Georgia Southern, that somehow managed to get it done
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That's why I'm focusing on recruiting rankings so much. I did the whole looking at talent on the field and thought Florida would be terrible last year. Instead they were really good last year not only beating us almost everyone else in the SEC as well.

If I paid more attention to the recruiting rankings I wouldn't have made that mistake.
 
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#142
Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
That's why I'm focusing on recruiting rankings so much. I did the whole looking at talent on the field and thought Florida would be terrible last year. Instead they were really good last year not only beating us almost everyone else in the SEC as well.

If I paid more attention to the recruiting rankings I wouldn't have made that mistake.
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they had an all world defense.

the offense as piiiitiiiifuuuuullll.
 
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VOL 4 Life 83 said:
Hmm, that's odd, because I seem to remember Clemson competing with the big boys the past few years, and making it to the NC game, losing only by 5 points, all with only ONE class ranked inside the top 10 in the past 5 years.

So keep making that asinine assumption. You're throwing sh*$ at the wall hoping it sticks.
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Actually they've been owned by Florida State the last 5 years till they finally beat them last year. And it shouldn't be a surprise since FSU has out recruited them since Jimbo showed up.
 
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#147
jakez4ut said:
they had an all world defense.

the offense as piiiitiiiifuuuuullll.
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They scored 38 on ole miss with Will Grier. They were good. 7 players drafted.

Stop disrespecting them. With how much talent they've put in the league the last 2 years, I consider those 2 one-point losses impressive now. We definitely overachieved.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
They scored 38 on ole miss with Will Grier. They were good. 7 players drafted.

Stop disrespecting them. With how much talent they've put in the league the last 2 years, I consider those 2 one-point losses impressive now. We definitely overachieved.
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I initially thought you were Josh Dobbs, but after contemplating it, I figured it out.

You're a closet gator fan impersonating a UT/Dobbs lover. Well played sir.
 
#150
#150
The idea that these streaks in anyway impact future performance is absurd.
 
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