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[Mike4Vols]

When you become a bulldog fan cat?

He's always been a Bulldog fan. Old school troll.

 

[sigchig]

What are you smoking these days?

Hurd is absolutely one of the all time top 5 RB's at UT and Kamara has proven to be pretty good also. They were both 5* recruits out of HS. Kelly was a 3*. There is a huge difference between Hurd / Kamara vs Kelly.

Yeah because Tabor is SOOOOO much better than Sutton, right Starkiller? I mean gazer? :good!: :dance:

 

[Ethan Hooper]

What are you smoking these days?

Hurd is absolutely one of the all time top 5 RB's at UT and Kamara has proven to be pretty good also. They were both 5* recruits out of HS. Kelly was a 3*. There is a huge difference between Hurd / Kamara vs Kelly.

I think Hurd and Kamara are better, but I don't see there being a major drop off either. Kelly is better than his ranking coming out of high school. He'll also be running behind a better OL than Hurd and Kamara had.

 

[Real Info]

I think Hurd and Kamara are better, but I don't see there being a major drop off either. Kelly is better than his ranking coming out of high school. He'll also be running behind a better OL than Hurd and Kamara had.

The last sentence is an excellent point. Does the fact that Kelly will have a different QB factor in as well?

 

[BaldBiker]

What are you smoking these days?

Hurd is absolutely one of the all time top 5 RB's at UT and Kamara has proven to be pretty good also. They were both 5* recruits out of HS. Kelly was a 3*. There is a huge difference between Hurd / Kamara vs Kelly.

1st off. I stand by my statement. I can see Kelly stepping in with little to no drop off in production from the position. He would be filling one of two RB positions, so it is not anywhere near crazy to think that. The overall production of the RB position will depend on who they have in the tandem with him.

2nd. If I gave a damn about your opinion, I would have sought you out and asked for it. As it is, I don't and I didn't. It was a conversation between me and who I assume is an OSU fan, or at least someone who closely follows OSU football.

 

[WilliamDuVOL]

In Catbone's defense, he did dump all over ZeroDarkThirty in another thread.

 

[Glitch]

1st off. I stand by my statement. I can see Kelly stepping in with little to no drop off in production from the position. He would be filling one of two RB positions, so it is not anywhere near crazy to think that. The overall production of the RB position will depend on who they have in the tandem with him.

2nd. If I gave a damn about your opinion, I would have sought you out and asked for it. As it is, I don't and I didn't. It was a conversation between me and who I assume is an OSU fan, or at least someone who closely follows OSU football.

Your post made me think of Clint from Grand Torino BB. lol:

 

[InVOLuntary]

Wish we had that redshirt year back for Dobbs now.

 

[VolGee4]

I wouldn't use the first question as a bulletin point. UGA beat Shoop last year even without a coach and their worst offense they've had in 25 years.

Second one, no one knows, the pups or the SEC. I've seen some ignorant fans try to say he is Dooley 2.0, that's foolish and flawed thinking. Dooley couldn't recruit, recruiting is 70% of your success. Ask Butch

Yes, Richt pulled top 10 classes but is there anyone here that really thinks Smart won't pull top 5 every year and puts a top priority on recruiting. We don't know how much of that defense was Smart, every Bama fan will tell you a lot of their recruiting was because of him.

Back to Stevens, he won't last till summer IMO. Decision has been made.

PSU lost to UGA because their offense was even worse.

 

[VolGee4]

27 points against Florida and 24 points against Oklahoma should have been enough to win

But it was not. My statement still holds true: a defense cannot be expected to return to the field repeatedly after the offense goes 3 and out. Missed opportunities by the offense means problems for the defense. A great defense is what all teams desire but few have. Blaming the defense for losses when the offense has showcased its inadequacies is ridiculous.

5 fourth down conversions. All I have to say. A decent defense hits at least one, which was enough to win.

 

[BaldBiker]

Your post made me think of Clint from Grand Torino BB. lol:

That was the edited version of my original post. The original used words like piss ant, ignoramus, and some Marine Corps terms involving mothers, body parts and happy endings that I was pretty sure would get me put on vacation.

I chose to be nice instead.

You didn't think I was being nice?

Well? I'm waiting for an answer maggot.

 

[Ethan Hooper]

The last sentence is an excellent point. Does the fact that Kelly will have a different QB factor in as well?

I could see us leaning more on the running backs while the new quarterback gains some experience, but I think we'll be in good shape with whoever Dobbs' successor is. Whether it's a third year Dormady or Jones or a second year Guarantano. Dobbs has been able to take pressure off the backs with his running ability. Dormady isn't a statue by any means, but I don't see him running as well as Dobbs. Jones or Guarantano could though.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

27 points against Florida and 24 points against Oklahoma should have been enough to win

But it was not. My statement still holds true: a defense cannot be expected to return to the field repeatedly after the offense goes 3 and out. Missed opportunities by the offense means problems for the defense. A great defense is what all teams desire but few have. Blaming the defense for losses when the offense has showcased its inadequacies is ridiculous.

This is stupid...I'm with Sammy on this one. The offense built the leads, the defense was supposed to protect them. They didn't want turnovers to be the deciding factor. Other than the defense going full Pee Wee Herman, that was the best chance Okie and UF to get back in those games...alas they did go full spaz.

 

[Catbone]

In Catbone's defense, he did dump all over ZeroDarkThirty in another thread.

People get so worked up over a message board calling me a troll. Funny.

 

[KBVol]

What are you smoking these days?

Hurd is absolutely one of the all time top 5 RB's at UT and Kamara has proven to be pretty good also. They were both 5* recruits out of HS. Kelly was a 3*. There is a huge difference between Hurd / Kamara vs Kelly.

I agree with Baldy. Hurd will be our all-time leading rusher after this year. However, he'll do it averaging less than 5 yards per carry over 3 years and likely averaging in the 85-90 yards per game range. If Kelly can match those good, but certainly not great numbers, behind a still better OL in 2017, there will have been practically no discernible drop off, no?

And, I don't believe there a huge difference between Kelly and Hurd & Kamara either. Not saying he's a good as those two, but the kid runs with good power, very good burst and is much shiftier than Hurd to be sure. I see him kind of like Travis Stephens....he wasn't as talented or physically gifted as either Lewis or Henry, but he sure as hell was productive as either of them when his number was called. Still holds the record for single season rushing yards.

 

[SouthKnoxVOL]

This is stupid...I'm with Sammy on this one. The offense built the leads, the defense was supposed to protect them. They didn't want turnovers to be the deciding factor. Other than the defense going full Pee Wee Herman, that was the best chance Okie and UF to get back in those games...alas they did go full spaz.

The UF game was all on the defense no doubt. The Oklahoma game was not though. 17 points was not going to beat them. Yes our defense was playing great against OU...but sooner or later that Offense was gonna get going. The offense failed us in that game. If we would have scored another touchdown and went up 24-3 in the 3rd...that game would have been over.

 

[MockingVol]

People get so worked up over a message board calling me a troll. Funny.

The only people that call you a dawg troll are people that haven't been here long, have memory trouble, or have paper thin skin. It's laughable really.

 

[InVOLuntary]

In Catbone's defense, he did dump all over ZeroDarkThirty in another thread.

Smokescreen

 

[Darth_Shiveman]

I doubt Dobbs ran 4.94 at the opening. You got that number from ESPN's recruiting site. Those numbers are highly unreliable. Just check out what they have for Myles Garrett and Preston Williams.

Football Recruiting - Myles Garrett - Player Profiles - ESPN

Preston Williams - Football Recruiting - Player Profiles - ESPN


5.08 40 for Myles Garrett? 4.75 40 for Preston Williams? LOL.

Myles Garrett has been hand timed with a 4.46 40 at A&M. The Preston number is completely wrong because here is a news source saying Preston ran a 4.60 40 at the opening. Tennessee Vols targets post big SPARQ ratings at The Opening


Believe those numbers if you want.

The 40 yard dash numbers ESPN uses are from the opening, dude. That's where Tabor's 4.6 number comes from too.

That's the point I was making. Why do you believe their number for him but not for other players? Don't you think it's likely that those numbers are inconsistent generally?

 

[VolMike16]

Goodness that dude is crazy. So Tabor is overrated?? If you keep quoting him he will keep talking nonsense

 

[A-RodWiLks]

I agree with Baldy. Hurd will be our all-time leading rusher after this year. However, he'll do it averaging less than 5 yards per carry over 3 years and likely averaging in the 85-90 yards per game range. If Kelly can match those good, but certainly not great numbers, behind a still better OL in 2017, there will have been practically no discernible drop off, no?

And, I don't believe there a huge difference between Kelly and Hurd & Kamara either. Not saying he's a good as those two, but the kid runs with good power, very good burst and is much shiftier than Hurd to be sure. I see him kind of like Travis Stephens....he wasn't as talented or physically gifted as either Lewis or Henry, but he sure as hell was productive as either of them when his number was called. Still holds the record for single season rushing yards.

Great post. Agree with all of this.

 

[vol72]

5 fourth down conversions. All I have to say. A decent defense hits at least one, which was enough to win.

Not saying the defense was good; it was not, but other factors also contributed to this loss: two missed field goals and coaching miscues, and yes, offensive inability to gain first downs when needed.

Trying to run out the clock, Josh Dobbs ran a keeper on a third-and-6 play that was stuffed for a loss and helped Florida get the ball back with a little more than 2 minutes to play.

You can put it on the defense, but this was a team (and Coaching loss).

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

The 40 yard dash numbers ESPN uses are from the opening, dude. That's where Tabor's 4.6 number comes from too.

That's the point I was making. Why do you believe their number for him but not for other players? Don't you think it's likely that those numbers are inconsistent generally?

Maybe some but not all. The Preston Williams number was definitely not from the opening. Other sources had Preston running 4.60 at the opening. ESPN had 4.75 down.

Myles Garrett didn't even run at the opening but ESPN has this 5.08 number on there that it seems like they pulled outta their ass. I don't care where it's from but there is no way Myles Garrett runs a 5.08.

 

[Darth_Shiveman]

Maybe some but not all. The Preston Williams number was definitely not from the opening. Other sources had Preston running 4.60 at the opening. ESPN had 4.75 down.

Myles Garrett didn't even run at the opening but ESPN has this 5.08 number on there that it seems like they pulled outta their ass. I don't care where it's from but there is no way Myles Garrett runs a 5.08.

ESPN works closely with the opening and covers nearly all of their camps. Their 40 times come from some regional camp for the opening or the finals, which are televised. Just because a kid didn't run at the finals doesn't mean his number doesn't come from the opening. Those are the numbers ESPN uses.

The point I'm getting at is that the 40 times from Nike's camps aren't exactly numbers to hang your hat on. Most high school kids aren't very good at running 40 yard dashes anyway and don't understand the proper technique for it. There's a reason NFL prospects spend weeks preparing for the combine: most of them are football players, not sprinters.

Here's a little more food for thought: you have been extremely impressed by a 6'0 190 lb DBs who ran a 4.6 at the opening before. You've gone so far as to claim one has NFL potential at WR or DB. Or does Tyler Byrd's 40 yard dash time at one of the opening's camps not count either? You can't use those numbers against Tabor and then claim they're not consistent for players you like.

 

[VolGee4]

The UF game was all on the defense no doubt. The Oklahoma game was not though. 17 points was not going to beat them. Yes our defense was playing great against OU...but sooner or later that Offense was gonna get going. The offense failed us in that game. If we would have scored another touchdown and went up 24-3 in the 3rd...that game would have been over.

Or miss a field goal...oh wait