Florida game confidence

[08Vol]

Come on vol fans! Let's just shut up and wait and see. I know for last 20+ years we had some better teams than Florida but lost. I have confidence that we have a better team but hope we show it on the field and coaching. We are making ourselves look stupid saying this every year. I keep going to Neyland hoping we beat them but same ole sh!t but different year happens. I can't stand the gators but I will be a believer when we have more points than Florida in the 4th with 00:00 time left.

I think the difference this year will be coaching. At some point UF will try a long pass on 3rd down. In the past that would be a completion for a back breaking TD. This year with Shoop it's going to be a sack. He'll bring pressure more times than not and with our D line and speed at safety we will shut down their passing game. Can't wait until Gaulden blind sides Del Rio and Barnett gets a scoop and score.

 

[KnoxRealtorVOL]

I think the difference this year will be coaching. At some point UF will try a long pass on 3rd down. In the past that would be a completion for a back breaking TD. This year with Shoop it's going to be a sack. He'll bring pressure more times than not and with our D line and speed at safety we will shut down their passing game. Can't wait until Gaulden blind sides Del Rio and Barnett gets a scoop and score.

I would have drawn up this play/scenario in Shoop's interview and asked him how he would have handled it.

 

[Outofmyvolcanmind]

If you have to manufacture motivation over a quote that innocuous, perhaps it's not a dick statement.

What Muschamp said after the 2014 game, now THAT was a dick statement.

It was an absolute dick statement and suggesting otherwise is foolish.

 

[HoptownVol]

I accept we are better now, but I can't accept they have been better than us the whole time. Too many other factors involved. It's been a bad run, I'm glad the streak will end this year. I prefer in September and not December.

Jump higher Vols.

Last 10 years of the draft:

UT - 31 players
UF - 52

Other than the last two years, there's been a pretty severe talent gap.

 

[Reefa_Madness]

Oh and P.S...


I really wish the Gator trolls would find a new home. The remaining ones are respectful and all, but dear God, if I had nothing else better to do than hang out at a rivals board I would just probably just go ahead and drown myself.

Perhaps they are here to enjoy the humor and to take in all the drama...both which can often be found within the same thread. Let's face it, some of the stuff that gets posted here is easily as outlandish as anything you'd find on a network's weekly sitcom.

 

[Iam4utalways]

Last 10 years of the draft:

UT - 31 players
UF - 52

Other than the last two years, there's been a pretty severe talent gap.

How did they do in the NFL?

I think we prepare players for the NFL, better than Florida. What's the bust ratio? I will trust your judgement and opinion. My NFL knowledge is lacking. I do follow VFL players, and until PM retired, I would have put an all VFL team vs any other team and like my chances. Take Whitten, from Dallas, then the Cowboys would suck. They will always be bad as long as Romo is QB(fact).

Jump higher Vols.

 

[KBVol]

I've said it before and I will say it again the streak is a fluke, and it ends this year.

Jump higher Vols.

So, if you and I play a game, any game, 30 times and you win 24 of them....or 11 games and you win all 11 of them, I can say, "you're not any better than me, you winning all those games was just a fluke". And you'd be good with/believe that? I don't think so.

 

[Orange_Crush]

So, if you and I play a game, any game, 30 times and you win 24 of them....or 11 games and you win all 11 of them, I can say, "you're not any better than me, you winning all those games was just a fluke". And you'd be good with/believe that? I don't think so.

Or you could blame it on voodoo like 95% of VN.

Or you could just say that one person has just been better most years.

Only one answer really makes sense to me, but in VN universe there seems to be many acceptable answers.

 

[KBVol]

Or you could blame it on voodoo like 95% of VN.

Or you could just say that one person has just been better most years.

Only one answer really makes sense to me, but in VN universe there seems to be many acceptable answers.

No voodoo or spells or anything of the such. I do think there is an element of belief and/or confidence that Florida has and Tennessee does not with regards to this series. Heard Swain discuss this not too long ago. Even 10-12 years ago, when he played, before the streak was anywhere near 11 games in a row, he said it was a factor....Florida expected to win while Tennessee hoped to win. He said even the coaches tightened up, even acted differently during Florida week and all the players saw it and talked about it amongst themselves.

 

[Orange_Crush]

No voodoo or spells or anything of the such. I do think there is an element of belief and/or confidence that Florida has and Tennessee does not with regards to this series. Heard Swain discuss this not too long ago. Even 10-12 years ago, when he played, before the streak was anywhere near 11 games in a row, he said it was a factor....Florida expected to win while Tennessee hoped to win. He said even the coaches tightened up, even acted differently during Florida week and all the players saw it and talked about it amongst themselves.

You know, during off-season dry spell, I've been getting my fix by watching UT 2015 games. With hindsight There's a few things that I believe more than ever, all of them having massive effects on all the late-game collapses, not just UF.

UT was very talented but thin. This would naturally (and did) show up late in games. (I believe this point fueled the next.)

As a young team that was changing from losing culture, UT had to learn to win. Yep. That's a real thing. When UT got a lead, coaches coached not to lose. Players picked up on this and got tight. It seems that as the season progressed, both coaches and players learned from this. Play-calling and play-making got more aggressive, and the team's talent and confidence showed as the season progressed.

The defensive scheme needed to change to truly become a winning program. I don't think Jancek had it in his DNA to become an aggressive playcaller. Butch recognized both the need for aggressive play in the SEC, and that Jancek wasn't the man to call it.

I truly believe that last year was the last of the big growing pains we had to live through. I believe all three symptoms were addressed last year. UT is ready to break out. They'll have little effect on the UT/UF game this year. It will be about talent, coaching and schemes. And I like UT in all areas.

:hi:

 

[utvolpj]

So, if you and I play a game, any game, 30 times and you win 24 of them....or 11 games and you win all 11 of them, I can say, "you're not any better than me, you winning all those games was just a fluke". And you'd be good with/believe that? I don't think so.

Except that game is being played by completely different teams with the only relation being traditional Jersey color. The game played in 2007 has zero connection with the one played this season

 

[KBVol]

Except that game is being played by completely different teams with the only relation being traditional Jersey color. The game played in 2007 has zero connection with the one played this season

It evidently doesn't matter in this case. It's an attitude within the program that is passed on from juniors and seniors to freshmen and sophomores evidently.

For example, Fulmer coached tight against Florida and Dooley's team collapsed in the second half in 2012.....and now we Jones coach tight vs Florida and we've seen his last 2 teams collapse in the 4th quarters vs Florida. It's not a coincidence IMO.

Look at our series vs Vandie over the years....how many times was the game tight late in the game, late in the fourth quarters, only to see us win damn near every single time? It's the same thing, same attitude despite the players and coaches changing over time. We expected to win and Vandie either expected to lose or, at best, hoped to win. The same attitudes have played out in our series vs Florida.

 

[Orange_Crush]

It evidently doesn't matter in this case. It's an attitude within the program that is passed on from juniors and seniors to freshmen and sophomores evidently.

For example, Fulmer coached tight against Florida and Dooley's team collapsed in the second half in 2012.....and now we Jones coach tight vs Florida and we've seen his last 2 teams collapse in the 4th quarters vs Florida. It's not a coincidence IMO.

Look at our series vs Vandie over the years....how many times was the game tight late in the game, late in the fourth quarters, only to see us win damn near every single time? It's the same thing, same attitude despite the players and coaches changing over time. We expected to win and Vandie either expected to lose or, at best, hoped to win. The same attitudes have played out in our series vs Florida.

The past couple of years, I don't think that 'tight' coaching/playing was UF specific. I think it just 'was'. Last year, we blew leads late on several occasions. But as you watch the season unfold--wit hindsight--you see the coaches learn their lesson and coach boldly, and you see the players respond.

I seriously think this was an issue for the first 1 1/2 years of Jones' tenure. But I don't think it will be going forward.

Just my thought/prediction.

 

[KBVol]

The past couple of years, I don't think that 'tight' coaching/playing was UF specific. I think it just 'was'. Last year, we blew leads late on several occasions. But as you watch the season unfold--wit hindsight--you see the coaches learn their lesson and coach boldly, and you see the players respond.

I seriously think this was an issue for the first 1 1/2 years of Jones' tenure. But I don't think it will be going forward.

Just my thought/prediction.

Hope you're right. I can't decide if Jones learned his lesson last year or if he just got into the easy part of the schedule where his decisions carried less weight and he coached with less pressure because we were so much more talented than our opponents.

Like I said, I hope you're right that Jones learned his lesson.

 

[08Vol]

It evidently doesn't matter in this case. It's an attitude within the program that is passed on from juniors and seniors to freshmen and sophomores evidently.

For example, Fulmer coached tight against Florida and Dooley's team collapsed in the second half in 2012.....and now we Jones coach tight vs Florida and we've seen his last 2 teams collapse in the 4th quarters vs Florida. It's not a coincidence IMO.

Look at our series vs Vandie over the years....how many times was the game tight late in the game, late in the fourth quarters, only to see us win damn near every single time? It's the same thing, same attitude despite the players and coaches changing over time. We expected to win and Vandie either expected to lose or, at best, hoped to win. The same attitudes have played out in our series vs Florida.

I agree that it had a lot to do with the coaching and the talent of the players. When people talk about us being cursed against UF I wonder how they explain UT upsetting the 2nd best UF team Spurrier ever had in 2001 and costing them a shot at a championship. Also where was the curse in 03 when Swain caught a Hail Mary between 3 defenders or 04 when all UF needs is a 1st down to seal the win?

It's coaching and the attitude they bring. UT went 10-2 against Bama in the 90's & 2000's and it didn't matter how much their coach played rocky top or dyed their food orange, that didn't result in wins. It was when Bama brought in a proven championship level coach that they were able to flip the script. I have no doubt that if Saban came to UT in 07 that we would have a 7 or 8 game win streak over UF right now.

 

[2ez2dv8]

You know, during off-season dry spell, I've been getting my fix by watching UT 2015 games. With hindsight There's a few things that I believe more than ever, all of them having massive effects on all the late-game collapses, not just UF.

UT was very talented but thin. This would naturally (and did) show up late in games. (I believe this point fueled the next.)

As a young team that was changing from losing culture, UT had to learn to win. Yep. That's a real thing. When UT got a lead, coaches coached not to lose. Players picked up on this and got tight. It seems that as the season progressed, both coaches and players learned from this. Play-calling and play-making got more aggressive, and the team's talent and confidence showed as the season progressed.

The defensive scheme needed to change to truly become a winning program. I don't think Jancek had it in his DNA to become an aggressive playcaller. Butch recognized both the need for aggressive play in the SEC, and that Jancek wasn't the man to call it.

I truly believe that last year was the last of the big growing pains we had to live through. I believe all three symptoms were addressed last year. UT is ready to break out. They'll have little effect on the UT/UF game this year. It will be about talent, coaching and schemes. And I like UT in all areas.

:hi:

The lack of aggressive play calling doesn't just lay at the feet of the D and Jancek. Let's hope Jones also recognizes the same need on offense as well

 

[RDU VOL#14]

If you have to manufacture motivation over a quote that innocuous, perhaps it's not a dick statement.

What Muschamp said after the 2014 game, now THAT was a dick statement.

I'll give you that.

 

[Mika]

Perhaps they are here to enjoy the humor and to take in all the drama...both which can often be found within the same thread. Let's face it, some of the stuff that gets posted here is easily as outlandish as anything you'd find on a network's weekly sitcom.

I'm just here to see things from a different perspective. Less orange and blue glasses here.

 

[Orange_Crush]

Hope you're right. I can't decide if Jones learned his lesson last year or if he just got into the easy part of the schedule where his decisions carried less weight and he coached with less pressure because we were so much more talented than our opponents.

Like I said, I hope you're right that Jones learned his lesson.

The lack of aggressive play calling doesn't just lay at the feet of the D and Jancek. Let's hope Jones also recognizes the same need on offense as well

2ez, I posted elsewhere that this was a problem for O playcalling as well. The reason I think Jones learned his lesson (probably began listening to DeBord, who I have a lot of respect for), is a rewatch of the season. Jones started going for a lot of 4th downs late in the season. Breaking Josh out on designed runs more often. He just became more aggressive, and less conservative overall.

Personally, I just think that Jones became more aggressive, and I think it will continue into this season. After the bad collapses, I remember one of the announcers saying that Butch had had a team meeting and told the players to stop playing scared. Stop being scared of making mistakes. Go out and play aggressive and let the mistakes be in him. That seems like he recognized the issue and took steps to change it. Between that and the change in play calling, I think it was a turning point.

It's also my opinion that's why Jancek is gone. I think he fundamentally disagreed with Jones' change of principle on this, and Jones sent him packing. I think it's no accident that Jones then hired one of the most aggressive DCs in college football as a replacement.

:hi:

 

[Orange_Crush]

You know, during off-season dry spell, I've been getting my fix by watching UT 2015 games. With hindsight There's a few things that I believe more than ever, all of them having massive effects on all the late-game collapses, not just UF.

UT was very talented but thin. This would naturally (and did) show up late in games. (I believe this point fueled the next.)

As a young team that was changing from losing culture, UT had to learn to win. Yep. That's a real thing. When UT got a lead, coaches coached not to lose. Players picked up on this and got tight. It seems that as the season progressed, both coaches and players learned from this. Play-calling and play-making got more aggressive, and the team's talent and confidence showed as the season progressed.

The defensive scheme needed to change to truly become a winning program. I don't think Jancek had it in his DNA to become an aggressive playcaller. Butch recognized both the need for aggressive play in the SEC, and that Jancek wasn't the man to call it.

I truly believe that last year was the last of the big growing pains we had to live through. I believe all three symptoms were addressed last year. UT is ready to break out. They'll have little effect on the UT/UF game this year. It will be about talent, coaching and schemes. And I like UT in all areas.

:hi:

The lack of aggressive play calling doesn't just lay at the feet of the D and Jancek. Let's hope Jones also recognizes the same need on offense as well

:hi:

 

[82_VOL_83]

Everything changes. Let's remember that Florida was just another SEC game until Stevie Boy came to town as their coach. Anyone who thinks that the Vols lose to the Gators for eternity should just go ahead and check themselves into a psyche ward, because they clearly just don't understand math.

Oh and P.S...


I really wish the Gator trolls would find a new home. The remaining ones are respectful and all, but dear God, if I had nothing else better to do than hang out at a rivals board I would just probably just go ahead and drown myself.

Intimidated?

 

[82_VOL_83]

How did they do in the NFL?

I think we prepare players for the NFL, better than Florida. What's the bust ratio? I will trust your judgement and opinion. My NFL knowledge is lacking. I do follow VFL players, and until PM retired, I would have put an all VFL team vs any other team and like my chances. Take Whitten, from Dallas, then the Cowboys would suck. They will always be bad as long as Romo is QB(fact).

Jump higher Vols.

Probably 29 teams would take a healthy Romo next year.

 

[Iam4utalways]

So, if you and I play a game, any game, 30 times and you win 24 of them....or 11 games and you win all 11 of them, I can say, "you're not any better than me, you winning all those games was just a fluke". And you'd be good with/believe that? I don't think so.

I'm looking at a bigger picture. Team 120, Is facing something only 1 other team in the history if UT Football has faced. A possible 12 year losing streak.

With the funny way a football can bounce, and how back and forth this game was prior to the streak, along with the way these 11 games have found a way to result in a gator win. I realize, that's how the ball bounces and all, but puzzling. I'm not disputing that we got beat by maybe the worst Florida team in recent history, but it happen in the mist of 5 years of chaos.

 

[VolsRule]

Strong odds! I already bet $50 with an obnoxious fla fan at my office, straight up!

 

[82_VOL_83]

This thread should be renamed "Florida game overconfidence".