Seriously, Is Being too Good Really So Bad?

[PointGuard]

It is in the file trip to ESPN was a violation minor but you can't take it back. It was a violation that happened when she was being recruited.

And so from this a few fans make a leap and use terms like "cheat"

I don't see any fans on any other board using "Cheat" to describe the equivalent to Pat with the same unsubstantiated facts.

No only in Lady Vol nation. What a shame

 

[gule]

9 out of 10 lesbo's love the wnba.

 

[gule]

hey pointguard, how do you explain away setting up a players parent in a sham business for the duration of the kids college career? cheat or no?

 

[Volfan2012]

And so from this a few fans make a leap and use terms like "cheat"

I don't see any fans on any other board using "Cheat" to describe the equivalent to Pat with the same unsubstantiated facts.

No only in Lady Vol nation. What a shame

Any violation by any coach is cheating and I suspect we don't know or ever will know the real violations by coaches that it took to get the players they needed to win. I suspect if all the violations in history were known a lot of championships would be vacated in every sport. I don't turn away from what is real even if it can't be proven if you or anyone else wants to so be it. To add I can post anyway I want to within the rules of this board. If you don't like my post ignore them I certainly ignore quite a few everyday.

 

[PointGuard]

9 out of 10 lesbo's love the wnba.

Your bias' seems to knows no bounds. Here's the thing..... you repeatedly confirm through your posts that you are just an ignorant A$$.

It seems that you keep posting your crap because you're insecure and not sure that we understand you are an A$$?

 

[gule]

just answer the question, miss high & mighty.

 

[gule]

playing you like a fish is too easy.

 

[DR2]

46% increase in what? I don't know what media numbers you are talking about. A 46% increase in attendance is absolute bullsheet. The numbers I posted are from the official NCAA Attendance site. You might try visiting it some time. The true measure is in asses in the seats. Check out average attendance per game. My numbers are correct. 2011 attendance per game was 1585. 2015 attendance per game was 1565. You can call that growth if you like.

NCAA says there were 343 teams reporting attendance last year.

Why the hostility? Are you just unable to have a discussion without name calling?

Just clueless. Are you too lazy to check the Sports Media Watch sites for the news. As many have noted, the viewership reported by ESPN was up by 46% for the first two rounds of the Tournament, and obviously the interest in the LVs fate had something to do with that. As noted, even in a down year, the LVs home attendance went up this year, even if it's way down from Pat's glory days. You may call the ESPN reports BS, but maybe we should say the same thing about you.

Then you whine on about WCBB attendance. The NCAA hasn't released this year's summary yet, but I can tell you that the top 10 teams in this year's list had a nice sized average gain, and UConn too had a 700+ increase. There are these pathetic trolls who keep pushing some hogwash that WCBB attendance was so so much better in the old days. Even discounting the fact that far more extensive TV coverage may cut into some of the top team's attendance, there's also the fact that a bunch of new D1 teams in recent years with abysmal attendance like Bryant (334), Grand Canyon (450), Kennesaw State (451), Longwood (436), NJIT (346), Presbyterian (449), SC Upstate (209), and Utah Valley (342) have come on board, all adding not much to the attendance. But the doomsday boys just want to ignore all of the context to the WCBB numbers.

Brassie, here's a number to chew on. Way back in one of those more golden attendance periods of 2009-10 before ESPN's coverage was even close to today's and Trey Wingnut was dragging down the show, the attendance for the top 10 WCBB teams was an average 8514. This year it's at 8566 (LVs were at 10,182). 52 more fannies in the seats per game than 6 years ago for the top teams. Is that something to get so all Debbie Downer about? Whatever.

 

[PointGuard]

hey pointguard, how do you explain away setting up a players parent in a sham business for the duration of the kids college career? cheat or no?

I'll reply to any violation you want to present to me that contains substantiated facts, not internet heresay about the Lady Vols Russell matter, or the UConn Maya matter.

Neither of those issues were substantiated with Facts.

But you shadow casters, miss the point. No fan base calls Pat a cheat for her unsubstantiated deed.... it is only the "few" Lady Vol Fans who usel "Cheating Geno" with their unsubstantiated facts.

IMO, that is why many WCBB fans characterize Certain Lay Vol fans as ___________

Too bad

 

[gule]

did mm's mother sell UConn handbags?

 

[Blueconn]

As long as they still make handbags, I will believe that bass turd cheated.

Hang in there...soon it'll be over for you and the Tin Foil Hat Brigade. In another few seasons UConn will put Tennessee in 2nd place in all milestone categories (in fewer seasons) and people will stop annoying you with requests for verifiable facts that support your despicable fantasies. Of course you'll be free to take a walk out to the Body Farm, breathe deeply, and enjoy the pleasure of not being contradicted by those who must listen.

 

[Coach Jumper]

9 out of 10 lesbo's love the wnba.

Unnecessary,,,, gruel
X out of ten heterosexual males love it as well.

Though it hasn't reached NBA popularity, it gives those of us who are fans of the women's game a chance to see our favorite elite athletes on an American court, fighting for an American Championship.

I can't wait to see if Stewart, Jefferson, and our own Basha Graves show their skills in the WNBA. I have enjoyed the Maya Moores and the Tamika Catching's of the WCBB play in the WNBA.

And the only reason you haven't could be because of your idiotic statement. Yes, there is a definite influence of the lesbian society in the fanbase, but there are also AAU girls who go to these events and see a future in their chosen sport. During the WNBA season, I miss Atlanta for that reason.

And if you believe that ALL the women who play WNBA and WCBB are of this chosen persuasion,,, you've obviously not seen the team photos of the girls teams playing now.

Katie Lou, UCONN,,, Izzy, TENN... I could go on... Beautiful female athletes in any forum!

 

[BowlBrother85]

I'll reply to any violation you want to present to me that contains substantiated facts, not internet heresay about the Lady Vols Russell matter, or the UConn Maya matter.

Neither of those issues were substantiated with Facts.

But you shadow casters, miss the point. No fan base calls Pat a cheat for her unsubstantiated deed.... it is only the "few" Lady Vol Fans who usel "Cheating Geno" with their unsubstantiated facts.

IMO, that is why many WCBB fans characterize Certain Lay Vol fans as ___________

Too bad

At SEC media days in October 2010, Pat Summitt was asked a general question about recruiting and ethics and she responded, "I've never compromised at all, and I wouldn't. And if I did they should fire me."

When asked by Jimmy Hyams (Knoxville radio talk show host) to clarify if she was talking about then UT coach Bruce Pearl, she said, "I didn't have Bruce Pearl on my mind. I probably had Connecticut on my mind. There is a reason we don't play them."

Pat thought Geno was a cheater and for Lady Vol fans, that is good enough.

 

[DR2]

When asked by Jimmy Hyams (Knoxville radio talk show host) to clarify if she was talking about then UT coach Bruce Pearl, she said, "I didn't have Bruce Pearl on my mind. I probably had Connecticut on my mind. There is a reason we don't play them."

Pat did her reputation no favors by ignoring the many acts of misconduct that got her school's men's coach rightly fired while slamming her top rival for unspecified charges since nothing but a minor assistant's phone call to ESPN stuck from the volumes of charges provided back in 2006. And believe me, the NCAA is always eager to suspend schools like UConn while lah-de-dahing decades of cheating by favored schools like UNC, so if there had been anything they could grab on to, they would have. As to Tennessee's position with the NCAA, it's probably also unlikely to get any UNC style love either.

 

[reno tony]

I have never quite understood those who proclaim that no one cares about women's basketball on a message board devoted to a women b-ball team.

But the fractured logic being expressed does not stop there.

1.If you care about the sport, you are living in a false reality because no one cares about the sport: "taut" meet "ology"

Moving on...

2. No one cares about the sport but everyone is embarrassed by Uconn's dominance and no one likes to be embarrassed but since no one cares about the sport, no one is trying to compete. Alrighty then, that explains it for sure.

But the issue raised in the OP reflect that the media likes to generate controversy. Uconn's dominance has taken some of the suspense out the tournament, since the general consensus is that they are close to being invincible. And voila, ESPN and company amplify some tweets to create a debate over whether Uconn is bad for the game. It is something to talk about.

Using logic about UCONN is not fair on this board. How dare you try to confuse people with logic.

 

[UCMiami]

Any violation by any coach is cheating and I suspect we don't know or ever will know the real violations by coaches that it took to get the players they needed to win. I suspect if all the violations in history were known a lot of championships would be vacated in every sport. I don't turn away from what is real even if it can't be proven if you or anyone else wants to so be it. To add I can post anyway I want to within the rules of this board. If you don't like my post ignore them I certainly ignore quite a few everyday.

So what you are saying is Pat was a big cheater?!
The number of NCAA rules is mind boggling, answer the phone on the wrong day from the wrong person and you have committed a secondary violation. The LadyVols committed I think three self reported secondary violations just this last year, and Pat through her career had a bunch of them. Uconn has also committed a number of secondary violations including having a secretary dial ESPN instead of handing the phone to Moore to do the dialing to book a free tour of ESPN available to every member of the general public.
The latest - reported by Vandy to the NCAA involved a star female baseball player being congratulated by Geno - a player below the age of what the NCAA determines is a 'potential recruit' subject to recruiting rules but because of her star status in another sport they deemed a secondary violation.

 

[Blueconn]

At SEC media days in October 2010, Pat Summitt was asked a general question about recruiting and ethics and she responded, "I've never compromised at all, and I wouldn't. And if I did they should fire me."

When asked by Jimmy Hyams (Knoxville radio talk show host) to clarify if she was talking about then UT coach Bruce Pearl, she said, "I didn't have Bruce Pearl on my mind. I probably had Connecticut on my mind. There is a reason we don't play them."

Pat thought Geno was a cheater and for Lady Vol fans, that is good enough.

What Pat may have thought didn't make it true. Not then, not later, not now. Nor does repetition. And the conclusion that "for Lady Vol fans, that is good enough" is a rather silly statement given that there are probably a great many Lady Vol fans for whom you have neither the right nor the ability to speak.

 

[BowlBrother85]

What Pat may have thought didn't make it true. Not then, not later, not now. Nor does repetition. And the conclusion that "for Lady Vol fans, that is good enough" is a rather silly statement given that there are probably a great many Lady Vol fans for whom you have neither the right nor the ability to speak.

I don't think it's silly at all to assume that Lady Vol fans trust Pat Summitt's word and judgement. She exuded integrity and credibility throughout her career and had the respect of her peers. There was only one coach she publicly accused of cheating. She will definitely get the benefit of the doubt from most Lady Vol fans on that.

 

[LasVegasBill23]

How did I know that tournament time would bring back the calls of cheating.....

My thinking is that most (not all) coaches in college basketball have blemishes on their record regarding some indiscretion(s) they made.... big or small.....

Too bad the back and forth ... I think it is silly.... I prefer to stay with the basketball.... and not focus on Geno's or Pat's or anyone else's NCAA violations

 

[PointGuard]

At SEC media days in October 2010, Pat Summitt was asked a general question about recruiting and ethics and she responded, "I've never compromised at all, and I wouldn't. And if I did they should fire me."

When asked by Jimmy Hyams (Knoxville radio talk show host) to clarify if she was talking about then UT coach Bruce Pearl, she said, "I didn't have Bruce Pearl on my mind. I probably had Connecticut on my mind. There is a reason we don't play them."

Pat thought Geno was a cheater and for Lady Vol fans, that is good enough.

Sure, clearly it's good enough for the shadow casters.

Fortunately, most Lady Vol fans are upstanding citizens who would demonstrate the maturity to be able to sit on a real jury in a real courtroom and not pay heed to ignorance

 

[Volfan2012]

So what you are saying is Pat was a big cheater?!
The number of NCAA rules is mind boggling, answer the phone on the wrong day from the wrong person and you have committed a secondary violation. The LadyVols committed I think three self reported secondary violations just this last year, and Pat through her career had a bunch of them. Uconn has also committed a number of secondary violations including having a secretary dial ESPN instead of handing the phone to Moore to do the dialing to book a free tour of ESPN available to every member of the general public.
The latest - reported by Vandy to the NCAA involved a star female baseball player being congratulated by Geno - a player below the age of what the NCAA determines is a 'potential recruit' subject to recruiting rules but because of her star status in another sport they deemed a secondary violation.

I'm not arguing that others haven't violated rules what did I just say in that post. I think there are a lot with more than secondary violations and they are all big name coaches in their sport. Second I don't really care what UConn fans think I will continue to have my opinions on what happened based on the information that I received from various sources on not only Geno but a lot of coaches in a lot of different sports. It is getting to where you can't even make a post of state an opinion on your on team board without someone from UConn chiming in. Believe what you believe and move on certainly aren't going to ever change anything I believe so what is the point?

 

[gule]

Unnecessary,,,, gruel
X out of ten heterosexual males love it as well.

Though it hasn't reached NBA popularity, it gives those of us who are fans of the women's game a chance to see our favorite elite athletes on an American court, fighting for an American Championship.

I can't wait to see if Stewart, Jefferson, and our own Basha Graves show their skills in the WNBA. I have enjoyed the Maya Moores and the Tamika Catching's of the WCBB play in the WNBA.

And the only reason you haven't could be because of your idiotic statement. Yes, there is a definite influence of the lesbian society in the fanbase, but there are also AAU girls who go to these events and see a future in their chosen sport. During the WNBA season, I miss Atlanta for that reason.

And if you believe that ALL the women who play WNBA and WCBB are of this chosen persuasion,,, you've obviously not seen the team photos of the girls teams playing now.

Katie Lou, UCONN,,, Izzy, TENN... I could go on... Beautiful female athletes in any forum!

hey jumpy, do you think only unattractive women are gay? You ever see M. marciniak? S Bird? Azzi, the newly out coach at SFU?.. etc. the list is endless!

 

[PointGuard]

How did I know that tournament time would bring back the calls of cheating.....

My thinking is that most (not all) coaches in college basketball have blemishes on their record regarding some indiscretion(s) they made.... big or small.....

Too bad the back and forth ... I think it is silly.... I prefer to stay with the basketball.... and not focus on Geno's or Pat's or anyone else's NCAA violations

Me too, LasVegasBill. I should not have replied to ignorance.

The title of the thread is "Seriously, Is Being Too Good Really So Bad"

I'm not sure there has been a reply to the thrtead? :birgits_giggle:

Let's try again?

 

[BowlBrother85]

Sure, clearly it's good enough for the shadow casters.

Fortunately, most Lady Vol fans are upstanding citizens who would demonstrate the maturity to be able to sit on a real jury in a real courtroom and not pay heed to ignorance

Of UConn's recruiting tactics, in 2008 Pat Summitt said, "We don't play by the same rules."

...but I guess Pat Summitt was just ignorant, right?

 

[gule]

have you noticed that every one of the UConn fans here have avoided answering my question about "Did MM's mom sell "UConn" handbags"?