An early look at Tennessee’s 2017 NFL prospects

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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
He's had accuracy. Its about consistency for him. And getting some receivers that can get separation and an o-line that can pass protect.

All 3 happen in 2016 and we go 15-0.
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Your right. There were times his accuracy was very inconsistent.

Not the only area for improvement needed with the passing game. At some point every aspect was lacking. So much room for overall improvement and such little need to break some unusual streaks.

Jump higher Vols.
 
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BearCat204 said:
Find me the source saying otherwise. Thanks
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Here are 5 mock drafts from some of the biggest sports media outlets (like ESPN, Sports Illustrated, and the Sporting News) following the 2014 season and before the start of the 2015 season.

2016 NFL Mock Draft: Ohio State dominates first round

2016 NFL Mock Draft: Christian Hackenberg at the Top, Big 10 Players Everywhere | The Big Lead

2016 NFL Mock Draft 1.0: Shawn Oakman goes No. 1 to Titans | SI.com

2016 NFL Mock Draft: Hackenberg, Bosa, Jones early picks | Sporting News

Christian Hackenberg tops way-too-early 2016 mock draft - NFL Draft


In no mock draft were Carson Wentz or Paxton Lynch mentioned. 4 other QBs were mentioned (Christian Hackenberg, Cardale Jones, Connor Cook, and Jared Goff).

So please stop with the LIE that Wentz and Lynch were projected 1st rounders following 2014.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Here are 5 mock drafts from some of the biggest sports media outlets (like ESPN, Sports Illustrated, and the Sporting News) following the 2014 season and before the start of the 2015 season.

2016 NFL Mock Draft: Ohio State dominates first round

2016 NFL Mock Draft: Christian Hackenberg at the Top, Big 10 Players Everywhere | The Big Lead

2016 NFL Mock Draft 1.0: Shawn Oakman goes No. 1 to Titans | SI.com

2016 NFL Mock Draft: Hackenberg, Bosa, Jones early picks | Sporting News

Christian Hackenberg tops way-too-early 2016 mock draft - NFL Draft


In no mock draft were Carson Wentz or Paxton Lynch mentioned. 4 other QBs were
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You actually took the time to look all that up, I'm impressed.
 
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Even with that, does that an any way support your guarantee that Dobbs is a first rounder? I hope he throws for 50tds, 5000 yards, and rushes for another 2000, but he's not a high QB as far as how NFL scouts look at him.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
He's had accuracy. Its about consistency for him. And getting some receivers that can get separation and an o-line that can pass protect.

All 3 happen in 2016 and we go 15-0.
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I think you're mistaken on the meaning of accuracy. If Dobbs were accurate, then he would have consistently hit his targets. Someone can be consistently inaccurate. So, the fact that Dobbs was up and down means he was neither accurate nor consistent.

As to your second point. We don't need Superman Dobbs to emerge to be a playoff threat. We have enough weapons everywhere. We need him to be a smart, game-manager who makes some big plays here and there without many costly errors. He's more than capable of that. Improving his accuracy will be icing on the cake.
 
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BearCat204 said:
You actually took the time to look all that up, I'm impressed.
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No. I follow the draft closely. I've actually been more of a NFL can most of my life than college football fan.

I never heard the names Wentz and Lynch before this year. RG3 and Tannehill were likewise not major prospects before the 2011 season.

The idea of going from fringe draft prospect to high first rounder in a single year is not unheard of.

It literally happens EVERY year.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
No. I follow the draft closely. I've actually been more of a NFL can most of my life than college football fan.

I never heard the names Wentz and Lynch before this year. RG3 and Tannehill were likewise not major prospects before the 2011 season.

The idea of going from fringe draft prospect to high first rounder in a single year is not unheard of.

It literally happens EVERY year.
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i agree with your last part, but Lynch and Wetnz were not unheard of, even though I bought hey were higher in the boards in 14.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
1st round: Dobbs, Hurd, Sutton, and Barnett

2nd round: Kamara, Malone

3rd round: JRM


Ethan Wolf and Justin Martin could also go in the 1st-2nd round if they decide to come out.
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That would be record for UT in the 1st round.. Tall order... Karmara is a 2nd.. Unlikely... He would have been luckily to be. 5th or 6th round this year
 
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BearCat204 said:
i agree with your last part, but Lynch and Wetnz were not unheard of, even though I bought hey were higher in the boards in 14.
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Maybe to hardcore NFL scouts and college football fans. But to the general public and media they were unheard of. North Dakota State and Memphis aren't really must watch television.

I follow the NFL draft closely and the first mention of Wentz going in the 1st round was in the lead up to the senior bowl. The first mention of Lynch as a bonafide first rounder was after beating Ole Miss.

Before that, I saw more mock drafts with Marquez North going in the 1st round than either Lynch or Wentz.
 
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Biopsyman said:
That would be record for UT in the 1st round.. Tall order... Karmara is a 2nd.. Unlikely... He would have been luckily to be. 5th or 6th round this year
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True. But I'm projecting he'll benefit from the greater attention team 120 will get as we march to a potential national title winning season.

Giovanni Bernard is the best NFL comparison I can give for Kamara and Bernard went in the 2nd round to the Bengals in 2013. I think Kamara gets a bump into round 2 from the greater attention team 120 will get this year.
 
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Kristy* said:
I think you're mistaken on the meaning of accuracy. If Dobbs were accurate, then he would have consistently hit his targets. Someone can be consistently inaccurate. So, the fact that Dobbs was up and down means he was neither accurate nor consistent.

As to your second point. We don't need Superman Dobbs to emerge to be a playoff threat. We have enough weapons everywhere. We need him to be a smart, game-manager who makes some big plays here and there without many costly errors. He's more than capable of that. Improving his accuracy will be icing on the cake.
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We might be arguing simply about semantics.

I guess this is how I would phrase it. "Josh has shown the ability to throw the ball accurately at times. He just need to become more consistent."

When you guys say he can't throw the ball accurately, I say what about the Kentucky and South Carolina games this year? What about our tremendous third down conversion percentage?

There are times he's incredibly accurate. And there are times he's not. I guess my difference with you guys is I don't ignore his good passes. And I have faith he'll cut down on the bad ones.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
I guess this is how I would phrase it. "Josh has shown the ability to throw the ball accurately at times. He just need to become more consistent.
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This is literally what just about everyone, other than you, have been saying. He's not nearly accurate enough at this point and unless he has a tremendous turnaround in that department, he's not going to project well. He does a lot of things that are perfect for the college game, but he's got to be better at medium to long range accuracy to make the next step.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
We might be arguing simply about semantics.

I guess this is how I would phrase it. "Josh has shown the ability to throw the ball accurately at times. He just need to become more consistent."

When you guys say he can't throw the ball accurately, I say what about the Kentucky and South Carolina games this year? What about our tremendous third down conversion percentage?

There are times he's incredibly accurate. And there are times he's not. I guess my difference with you guys is I don't ignore his good passes. And I have faith he'll cut down on the bad ones.
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So often when he did hit the numbers the ball would bounce away. Like I said we had away of having glitches in all phases of our passing game.

Jump higher Vols.
 
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BearCat204 said:
So D4H, would you put Josh Dobbs ahead of Watson, Kaaya, Kelly and Mayfield?
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Mayfield is not a legit NFL prospect. Too small at 6'0" and poor arm strength. The games against us and Clemson exposed his limitations. He can't drive the ball downfield the way a NFL QB should. He goes 4th round or later.

Kelly has impressive arm strength but his height is lacking. They list him at 6'2" but he looks 6'1" at best. Plus he seems like a poor leader and lacks the necessary intangibles. I think he's a 3rd round prospect.

Kaaya is a wildcard. NFL scouts love him. He has impressive size and arm talent. However, I'm not sure about him. I need to watch more tape.

Watson and Dobbs are clones physically. Dobbs is a little taller but otherwise nearly the same. Both are great athletes. Both have impressive arm strength. Watson is the more accurate deep thrower. But Dobbs has the intangibles going for him.

I think both go in the 1st round next year. Dobbs thanks to a monster senior year. Watson due to what he's done so far. However, Watson scares me when it comes to durability. Everyone knows he tore his ACL as a freshmen. Most people don't know that his senior year of high school was also cut short with another knee injury. And he also broke his hand as a true freshmen early enrollee. Last fall was the first time he's been healthy in 2 years so that scares me.

Dobbs on the other hand has a bizzare talent for durability (knock on wood). That could end up being the separator between the two next April.
 
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To continue to pump Dobbs as a first rounder is so astoundily stupid I wonder if you have so sort of mental tick concerning him.

NFL teams reached at RG3 who is a much better passer and demostrated it in college with his numbers which dwarf Dobbs stats.

If you think they are going to take another read option quarterback who throws screens and swing passes 75% of the time in the 1st round you're out of your ever lovin mind. :hi:
 
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MustafaRasta said:
To continue to pump Dobbs as a first rounder is so astoundily stupid I wonder if you have so sort of mental tick concerning him.

NFL teams reached at RG3 who is a much better passer and demostrated it in college with his numbers which dwarf Dobbs stats.

If you think they are going to take another read option quarterback who throws screens and swing passes 75% of the time in the 1st round you're out of your ever lovin mind. :hi:
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I get your feelings towards D4H, but to say the idea of Dobbs going in the 1st Round is astoundingly stupid, that's not only out of line but incorrect. He would need a monster year and I've got no reservations in saying I expect a monster of a year from team #120.

Jump higher Vols.
 
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MustafaRasta said:
To continue to pump Dobbs as a first rounder is so astoundily stupid I wonder if you have so sort of mental tick concerning him.

NFL teams reached at RG3 who is a much better passer and demostrated it in college with his numbers which dwarf Dobbs stats.

If you think they are going to take another read option quarterback who throws screens and swing passes 75% of the time in the 1st round you're out of your ever lovin mind. :hi:
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You'll be apologizing to me in 12 months.
 
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The thing about Lynch and Wentz is that they weren't on anybody's radar because of playing at small schools with little chance of exposure. Scouts aren't watching tape of as many NDSU and Memphis games as they are big conference teams. Same thing happened with Bortles a few years back when all the hype the previous offseason had been about Manziel and/or Bridgewater.

It's easier for guys like them to come out of nowhere and jump up the draft boards because they don't really get looked at much on film until the later stages of things.

With Dobbs, you can bet he's already been looked at a lot and that teams and scouts are already in the process of forming their opinions about him as a draft able QB. So I think it's unlikely to see a meteoric rise in his stock because teams already have a year and a half of film on him as a starting QB and you can bet that scouts have seen a lot of him when breaking down film on opposing defenders as well.

I doubt most teams see him as a first round QB right now. If he works his way into being one though, I imagine it will be through more of a slow, steady stock increase that will coincide with improved performance over the course of the 2016 season.

The kid has far too many eyes on him to come out of nowhere like Lynch and Wentz.
 
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Iam4utalways said:
I get your feelings towards D4H, but to say the idea of Dobbs going in the 1st Round is astoundingly stupid, that's not only out of line but incorrect. He would need a monster year and I've got no reservations in saying I expect a monster of a year from team #120.

Jump higher Vols.
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Pretty much this. I don't see him being a first rounder from what he's shown thus far, but we all know he has the talent to have a huge year. I've seen crazier things happen than a QB play himself into the first round of the draft off of one great season.
 
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