Alexis Johnson arrested (merged/updated 4/21)

No, he was charged. The young lady was reported to have not wanted to press charges once the police arrived at the scene, but iirc, since it was a domestic dispute, the officer could decide charges were appropriate and he did indeed arrest Johnson and charge him with aggravated assault and false imprisonment.

Fun isn't it? She refuses to press charges but suddenly jumps aboard a lawsuit that is after a 9 figure settlement, and Johnson, although not formally accused by the alleged victim any longer, is left with his future, career, and life to hang in the balance, all while this poor victim of his and her newfound lawyer and friends seek to become overnight multi-millionaires.

I don't know what happened that night... but it really makes it look bad on her part that she doesn't want justice to be served, and just a payday.
 
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Fun isn't it? She refuses to press charges but suddenly jumps aboard a lawsuit that is after a 9 figure settlement, and Johnson, although not formally accused by the alleged victim any longer, is left with his future, career, and life to hang in the balance, all while this poor victim of his and her newfound lawyer and friends seek to become overnight multi-millionaires.

I don't know what happened that night... but it really makes it look bad on her part that she doesn't want justice to be served, and just a payday.

I'm not an attorney so I don't know it works. But from a layman's perspective, how does she join a lawsuit regarding how the University mishandles/is negligent with how it "ajudicates" sexual assault cases, when she hasn't even had an opportunity to have her "case" heard/mishandled/negligently adjudicated yet?
 
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I'm not an attorney so I don't know it works. But from a layman's perspective, how does she join a lawsuit regarding how the University mishandles/is negligent with how it "ajudicates" sexual assault cases, when she hasn't even had an opportunity to have her "case" heard/mishandled/negligently adjudicated yet?

She's not even a student I don't think. So, I don't see shy the Tennessee should be involved in her case at all.
 
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I'm not an attorney so I don't know it works. But from a layman's perspective, how does she join a lawsuit regarding how the University mishandles/is negligent with how it "ajudicates" sexual assault cases, when she hasn't even had an opportunity to have her "case" heard/mishandled/negligently adjudicated yet?

I'm not sure myself, but apparently she has.
 
I'm not an attorney so I don't know it works. But from a layman's perspective, how does she join a lawsuit regarding how the University mishandles/is negligent with how it "ajudicates" sexual assault cases, when she hasn't even had an opportunity to have her "case" heard/mishandled/negligently adjudicated yet?

By someone not on campus long enough to succumb to our 'culture'.
At this rate, we should see someone join because they were once kissed by a potential recruit. In 7th grade.
 
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By someone not on campus long enough to succumb to our 'culture'.
At this rate, we should see someone join because they were once kissed by a potential recruit. In 7th grade.

Well it's obvious they were tainted by their life long fandom of Tennessee.

What's that you say? They were raised fans of another school?

Still Tennessee's fault... somehow. :)
 
She's not even a student I don't think. So, I don't see shy the Tennessee should be involved in her case at all.

It's all very fishy and appears to add up to the plaintiffs' lawyers trying to force a settlement by trying the case in the court of public opinion. I think they overplayed their hand.
 
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It's all very fishy and appears to add up to the plaintiffs' lawyers trying to force a settlement by trying the case in the court of public opinion. I think they overplayed their hand.

Yeah they definitely had too many reaches to date which hurt their case.
 
It's also funny (not in a good way) that she was added to the lawsuit, which is alleging that UT didn't give due dilligence to investigating athlete sexual assaults, before the school investigation was fully carried out.
 
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The accusation was that UT has created a rape culture for male athletes. So after she was allegedly attacked by a male athlete, that even though he was new on campus, the rape culture is so strong he had to assault her, just to fit in and that's why he chose UT in the first place. It's so rediculous, rapes may have occurred, but to say there is a rape culture, no thank you, I'm not buying.

They should use blue ink when printing off their briefs.
 
I understood your point, just didn't do a good job explaining mine.

Students are being punished (kicked out of school, having transcript flagged which can be viewed by a future employer similar to having a criminal record) same as someone being prosecuted on criminal charges.

Even in a civil trial, there is a judge with a knowledge of the law who is supposed to ensure the rules of law are followed. He is empowered to rule on what evidence is admitted for consideration and to even set aside a judgment if the appropriate level of evidence doesn't justify the jury's ruling.

None of this happens in the student hearing process. Claims can be made and if untrained or under trained faculty person believes it then punishment is administered. No hard rules are in place to ensure at least a reasonable amount of evidence to support the accuser's claims.

There's a bunch of high profile cases that have since been proven to be completely false. UTC recently ruled against a member of their wrestling team on a case the DA refused to prosecute. The folks in our government we empower to enforce our laws said there was no case as it was another one of these drinking together at a party, PDA at the party, willingly left together, she says she willingly performed oral sex, then the next day decided she was too drunk to have gone all the way. UTC initially agrees until a threat of a title 9 suit then they back track. Drag it out a year with him suspended from competition until the wrestler's eligibility has expired then boot him in his last semester before graduating. Wrestler has been seeking relief via the court system and has been winning. I suspect UTC is fixing to pay him some substantial $.

These student hearings are nothing but a kangaroo court and if a biased faculty member with an agenda is placed in charge, then look out.

I couldn't agree more. The University of Texas is being sued by a male student under similar circumstances.

Colleges weren't designed to adjudicate legal matters. That should be left to the courts.
 
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I couldn't agree more. The University of Texas is being sued by a male student under similar circumstances.

Colleges weren't designed to adjudicate legal matters. That should be left to the courts.

If the evidence is clear, schools really can't wait until the legal system has run its course.

I don't think its right that these guys get tried in the court of public opinion before they go before some academic board. There are also a ton of procedural issues with these hearings, basically because school administrators and faculty aren't judges, they are teachers.

On the other hand, if someone clearly raped someone else, I don't want them walking around campus for six months while they wait for their hearing. Schools might be an apparatus of the state, but kicking you out isn't the same as putting you in jail, and they don't shouldn't be asked to follow the same rules as the state judiciary.
 
It's all very fishy and appears to add up to the plaintiffs' lawyers trying to force a settlement by trying the case in the court of public opinion. I think they overplayed their hand.

well said sir.... well said.



Pocker can be a dirty game sometimes but I think this time the house will win.
 
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If the evidence is clear, schools really can't wait until the legal system has run its course.

I don't think its right that these guys get tried in the court of public opinion before they go before some academic board. There are also a ton of procedural issues with these hearings, basically because school administrators and faculty aren't judges, they are teachers.

On the other hand, if someone clearly raped someone else, I don't want them walking around campus for six months while they wait for their hearing. Schools might be an apparatus of the state, but kicking you out isn't the same as putting you in jail, and they don't shouldn't be asked to follow the same rules as the state judiciary.

Can you provide an example of a case at UT where "someone clearly raped someone else"?

When "someone clearly rapes someone else", the police immediately arrest them and a substantial about of bail is required or they wait in the pokey until their trial. When "someone clearly rapes someone else", its a police / DA matter and is appropriately handled by the system in place as it should be.

What we have now is overwhelmingly "he said / she said" or drinker's morning after remorse. The current PC culture along with the university kangaroo courts want to criminalize these encounters that have been occurring between college students at least since "Animal House". The term "rape" should be reserved to the act reasonable people have always known as rape (jump out of the bushes and attack a lady). It's becoming a more and more crazy world we live in every day.
 
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If the evidence is clear, schools really can't wait until the legal system has run its course.

I don't think its right that these guys get tried in the court of public opinion before they go before some academic board. There are also a ton of procedural issues with these hearings, basically because school administrators and faculty aren't judges, they are teachers.

On the other hand, if someone clearly raped someone else, I don't want them walking around campus for six months while they wait for their hearing. Schools might be an apparatus of the state, but kicking you out isn't the same as putting you in jail, and they don't shouldn't be asked to follow the same rules as the state judiciary.

That is presuming guilt until proven innocent because you can't know until they have been tried and the legal system has decided guilt or innocence. Now if you want to talk about promiscuous and to some degree consensual sex during an alcohol or drug induced fog, then you have to expel both the accuser and the accused; and that would probably lead to even worse accusations against the school.
 
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Thank goodness I was not an athlete at UT during my four years there in the 70s. Under today's PC world, chances are strong I would have been on the top ten list of most lurid repeat offenders. That being said, I really cannot fathom attending UT for four years with blinders on. Yes, it's tough for these kids as it would be for anyone of us here on VN but, the rewards are just so potentially magnificent that it's a shame these young men are just not getting good life coaching - and that is not a UT thing, that is a nationwide college issue. Be strong young men - the carrot is made of orange gold!
 
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Thank goodness I was not an athlete at UT during my four years there in the 70s. Under today's PC world, chances are strong I would have been on the top ten list of most lurid repeat offenders. That being said, I really cannot fathom attending UT for four years with blinders on. Yes, it's tough for these kids as it would be for anyone of us here on VN but, the rewards are just so potentially magnificent that it's a shame these young men are just not getting good life coaching - and that is not a UT thing, that is a nationwide college issue. Be strong young men - the carrot is made of orange gold!

The failure to receive good life coaching starts way way before college. Probably most of us can remember that in growing up, the kids blessed with athletic ability and who excelled in sports were different and were treated differently - sometimes held to lesser and sometimes greater standards - but frequently given privilege that others weren't. That distinction was still prevalent (maybe even greater) at UT (as well as other universities) when I attended in the 60's and 70's - you can't really think Vol Hall or any other athletic dorm is really just for convenience to practice facilities or whatever. But when all is said and done, the coaches have to insist and the athletes have to demonstrate behavior at least equal to that of the whole student body - and that's not asking a lot as many of us know. Live larger than life and you attract unwanted attention. The affluenza defense is not going to fly in a Title IX world.
 
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