Alexis Johnson arrested (merged/updated 4/21)

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KBVol said:
All he was saying is that a lot of the guys, by the time they were upperclassmen, had pretty much learned their lesson regarding the potential for getting in trouble/being falsely accused after hooking up for one night with girls they didn't know. And that while there are always risks, that those risks were exponentially lower if they had one steady girlfriend with which to have sexual relations. Pretty simple, common sense stuff. That's all.
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That pretty much summarizes my first paragraph. Not sure if you were agreeing or disagreeing with me but I think we are pretty close to being on the same page.
 
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Wolfeman_Vol said:
So was butcher's, with the exception he decided to play in traffic. Dui (first offense), under age drinking, and simple possession are all misdemeanors. Thus, Hurd has the same "criminal past" as these. What's the difference for him in your eyes? I'm sincerely curious since your level of condemnation is different for Hurd.
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Uh butcher could have easily killed someone
 
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JustJoshin_VFL said:
Uh butcher could have easily killed someone
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Was he running in the median or dancing in traffic? You don't know, nor do i, somehow I think saying he could've easily killed someone is stretching the incident a little far. He wasn't charged with reckless endangerment or any such charge, so...
 
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Darth_Shiveman said:
Not at all what happened with Von
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I guess what I was trying to say is that from what we have heard is the girl doesn't want to file charges and they are having trouble finding any credible witnesses. This should have been dropped several days ago and he should be back on the team right now. The Von Pearson case took waaay to long to resolve even when it became clear that he was innocent.
 
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norrislakevol said:
I guess what I was trying to say is that from what we have heard is the girl doesn't want to file charges and they are having trouble finding any credible witnesses. This should have been dropped several days ago and he should be back on the team right now. The Von Pearson case took waaay to long to resolve even when it became clear that he was innocent.
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In today's upside down world, dropping charges won't be enough for the mob. He will need absolute proof of innocence. Even then he will need to sit out a year waiting for resolution as penance for his alleged crime.
 
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walkenvol said:
I understood your point, just didn't do a good job explaining mine.

Students are being punished (kicked out of school, having transcript flagged which can be viewed by a future employer similar to having a criminal record) same as someone being prosecuted on criminal charges.

Even in a civil trial, there is a judge with a knowledge of the law who is supposed to ensure the rules of law are followed. He is empowered to rule on what evidence is admitted for consideration and to even set aside a judgment if the appropriate level of evidence doesn't justify the jury's ruling.

None of this happens in the student hearing process. Claims can be made and if untrained or under trained faculty person believes it then punishment is administered. No hard rules are in place to ensure at least a reasonable amount of evidence to support the accuser's claims.

There's a bunch of high profile cases that have since been proven to be completely false. UTC recently ruled against a member of their wrestling team on a case the DA refused to prosecute. The folks in our government we empower to enforce our laws said there was no case as it was another one of these drinking together at a party, PDA at the party, willingly left together, she says she willingly performed oral sex, then the next day decided she was too drunk to have gone all the way. UTC initially agrees until a threat of a title 9 suit then they back track. Drag it out a year with him suspended from competition until the wrestler's eligibility has expired then boot him in his last semester before graduating. Wrestler has been seeking relief via the court system and has been winning. I suspect UTC is fixing to pay him some substantial $.

These student hearings are nothing but a kangaroo court and if a biased faculty member with an agenda is placed in charge, then look out.
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I see your point, and no system is perfect, not even the justice system where innocent men are sometimes convicted, but UT tries to go at this with a level playing field. By my understanding, both sides are allowed representation from outside counsel. It's part of TUAPA. UT is motivated to show fairness because impropriety leads to lawsuits. Now, there's always the chance you will face a lawsuit because one side or the other will claim bias, but you're less likely to lose that lawsuit if you can show you acted properly.

I am not familiar with the UTC case so I have no basis for comment on it, but I do believe universities are slowly graduating away from these kangaroo courts and advancing toward a more judicial system. The rise of court cases involving these matter motivate them to develop better procedure. UT's system may not be perfect, but I believe it's one of the more impartial used in college universities. Student-athletes are suspended from their teams pending investigation. Unless there is overwhelming evidence, they are permitted to stay in school and further their academic careers as an investigation is conducted. This is what seems to have upset the "Jane Does" in their complaint. But imo, lacking clear cut evidence, outright dismissing a student from school with nothing but an accusation would violate the rights of the accused. I have sympathy for any true victim (and I say true because it's hard to know what is truth and what is spite) that has to face her attacker day after day, but until actual proof is presented to show truth to the accusation, the accused should not be ruled guilty and punished.

The one thing I would suggest UT do is find a way to work with the accusers in these cases to minimize their contact with the accused. If it means adjusting tutoring session times, or possible adjustment of dorm assignment, or whatever. All accused should be counseled to stay away from their accusers. If you see them coming, change directions. No contact.
 
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Weezer said:
I see your point, and no system is perfect, not even the justice system where innocent men are sometimes convicted, but UT tries to go at this with a level playing field. By my understanding, both sides are allowed representation from outside counsel. It's part of TUAPA. UT is motivated to show fairness because impropriety leads to lawsuits. Now, there's always the chance you will face a lawsuit because one side or the other will claim bias, but you're less likely to lose that lawsuit if you can show you acted properly.

I am not familiar with the UTC case so I have no basis for comment on it, but I do believe universities are slowly graduating away from these kangaroo courts and advancing toward a more judicial system. The rise of court cases involving these matter motivate them to develop better procedure. UT's system may not be perfect, but I believe it's one of the more impartial used in college universities. Student-athletes are suspended from their teams pending investigation. Unless there is overwhelming evidence, they are permitted to stay in school and further their academic careers as an investigation is conducted. This is what seems to have upset the "Jane Does" in their complaint. But imo, lacking clear cut evidence, outright dismissing a student from school with nothing but an accusation would violate the rights of the accused. I have sympathy for any true victim (and I say true because it's hard to know what is truth and what is spite) that has to face her attacker day after day, but until actual proof is presented to show truth to the accusation, the accused should not be ruled guilty and punished.

The one thing I would suggest UT do is find a way to work with the accusers in these cases to minimize their contact with the accused. If it means adjusting tutoring session times, or possible adjustment of dorm assignment, or whatever. All accused should be counseled to stay away from their accusers. If you see them coming, change directions. No contact.
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You're a reasoned poster who obviously falls on the side of "fairness for both the accuser and the accused". I do however wish you would consider eliminating the term "victim" as anyone who is blatantly raped will have law enforcement taking the lead and the UT process won't really be an issue.

I also sense you've never know anyone who has been through the process as an accused? The university has a councilor who "advises" the accused (remember a college student who probably isn't sharing all this with their parents at this point as they hope it all goes away) as to their best avenue. The advisor discourages the accused (broke college student who couldn't afford legal council anyway without telling parents) to seek legal council painting the process on the front end as "not really a big deal...we just try to resolve conflicts between students and bringing in lawyers only complicate the process". As a student at the university, the personal code of conduct you agree to includes your agreement to adhere to the rulings of these UT trials and as you would guess NO incoming students realize what they are agreeing to. The process is fundamentally flawed and needs to be abolished for any "incidents" that are covered by the law of the state and only address issues of the university like academic fraud and the like.

As for separating the accused, I know of a case where this was mandated by the university. The accused was in a Fraternity. The accuser showed up at a Fraternity party and then reported the accused of violating the "no contact" order. The accused was booted from the university for violation of the "no contact" ruling.

I know this sounds completely crazy and un-American, but it is happening in Universities around the country. Google and read if you don't believe me. Again - its fundamentally flawed and should be abolished.
 
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Weezer said:
IF the woman filed a report with the police, the police investigated. My understanding is not all of the women went to the police. They filed a complaint with the University. The only power the University holds is the power of dismissal from school. Basically, if the women didn't pursue criminal charges, they were asking the University to kick the accused out of school. UT has a state mandated process on how to handle it. The women are claiming the process doesn't work quickly enough and that it is unfair. They're claim is the process is biased toward the accused and therefore creates a "culture of rape." Apparently they were offended the accused had the right to counsel.
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There appears to be confusion with some of the students. Some students see the UT Police and UT's admin as one in the same, it appears some students comingle the two (mentally) when making a complaint or report.
 
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I40flyer said:
There appears to be confusion with some of the students. Some students see the UT Police and UT's admin as one in the same, it appears some students comingle the two (mentally) when making a complaint or report.
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That's another problem with the current design - there should be NO UT police. They should have UT security guards who report all suspicious/illegal behavior to the Knoxville police. We only need a single police force in Knoxville. The campus should use the latest video surveillance equipment to assist the Knoxville police. There's nothing special about the University that entitles them to have their own police force any more than another large company in Knoxville deciding to have a police force. IMO
 
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walkenvol said:
That's another problem with the current design - there should be NO UT police. They should have UT security guards who report all suspicious/illegal behavior to the Knoxville police. We only need a single police force in Knoxville. The campus should use the latest video surveillance equipment to assist the Knoxville police. There's nothing special about the University that entitles them to have their own police force any more than another large company in Knoxville deciding to have a police force. IMO
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You may be on to something. The problem with underage drinking and dope smoking etc., if handled by the KPD, may cause a lot of students some serious consternation. Not to mention parking tickets-would KPD have cars towed, just as they would for any other resident of Knoxville? And as it would go. Let's face it, the UT Police, while a sworn PD, will full police power are either extremely lazy, or they "Look the other way", on a lot of crimes. How many 18-19-20 year old students have alcoholic beverages? How many arrested on campus? How many students smoke dope? How many arrested on campus? And as the list goes. The Administration wouldn't be real happy with KPD enforcing the law, in the same manner as they do in rest of Knoxville.
 
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"Unfortunately, Alexis Johnson has been included in a lawsuit where the accusers are seeking monetary damages. He denies the allegations"

From Greg Isaacs
 
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I have class with Johnson, and he was absent when this first went down, but is back in class today. I would say that is a good sign given the situation.
 
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OrangeHammer said:
I have class with Johnson, and he was absent when this first went down, but is back in class today. I would say that is a good sign given the situation.
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Not for the lawsuit. They want all these guys to be guilty until proven innocent.

(I am glad he's back in class!)
 
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top5vols said:
No charges as of yet. the victim refused to prosecute.
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No, he was charged. The young lady was reported to have not wanted to press charges once the police arrived at the scene, but iirc, since it was a domestic dispute, the officer could decide charges were appropriate and he did indeed arrest Johnson and charge him with aggravated assault and false imprisonment.
 
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