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OGbabyaviVol said:
Sounds like there's a rape culture there. Better hurry up and file a Title IX lawsuit.
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Baylor's not exactly been flying under the radar in that department. They have some real egregious violations compared to us.
 
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OGbabyaviVol said:
Hats off to the Lady Vols and Holly. I've been very hard on them and especially Holly this year, but she has them probably playing their best ball of the year. Still not sure Holly is the right answer, but I'll give her a little credit for motivating this team to play loose so far this SEC tourney.
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Yep. Lady Vols played well. Glad to see them having fun.
 
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The Lady Vols decided to play some basketball when it matters! Good luck to them tomorrow!
 
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Text from KnoxNews...
Butch Jones: Butch Jones: "Don't believe everything you read or heard"

Quote from the story: "There's an elephant in the room and I think you all know what we're going through," Jones said. "Don't believe everything you read and hear. I promise you that."

Said this tonight while speaking at the Carson-Newman Football Championship Coaching Clinic.
 
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TechnoVol said:
Text from KnoxNews...
Butch Jones: Butch Jones: "Don't believe everything you read or heard"

Quote from the story: "There's an elephant in the room and I think you all know what we're going through," Jones said. "Don't believe everything you read and hear. I promise you that."

Said this tonight while speaking at the Carson-Newman Football Championship Coaching Clinic.
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It's a blankety blank blanking crying shame this man is forced to go through this. This money grubbing horsecrap lawsuit is a travesty.
 
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butchna said:
Baylor's not exactly been flying under the radar in that department. They have some real egregious violations compared to us.
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No doubt. Stories of guys snatching girls at night and dragging them into the woods.

Real predatory stuff.
 
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About all this rape culture stuff...

I wonder if the real problem isn't on college campuses, but the sexual culture in America today. Let's see, you get sex in movies, on prime time TV, and any image you want at the click of a mouse or a tap on your phone. If it's not that obvious, you have women objectifying themselves in all of these arenas almost completely voluntarily by the way they dress and the parts they play. To make matters worse, young females dress all too often in ways that don't leave much to the imagination anywhere we go. Even moms in their uncovered yoga pants. I have a wife and two daughters. You can look beautiful without showing skin.

And not that it's all the fault of women either. Men want to see more, so the more skin is shown, the more it drives up the dollars in movies, on websites, and in clothing stores. Sex sells, men lap it up, and force the economic demand. Men of all ages are so visually drawn to it that the desire for sexual fulfillment gets more and more perverted with every passing miniskirt or image on a screen. Women who want the attention get it...and then some. Sometimes with devastating results.

It's a vicious cycle that can only be overcome by grace in America as a whole. Some campus committee can't do this. They can only enforce the rules.




Tl;dr: The sexual culture isn't the fault of colleges. It's the fault of mainstream America.
 
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Brillovol said:
About all this rape culture stuff...

I wonder if the real problem isn't on college campuses, but the sexual culture in America today. Let's see, you get sex in movies, on prime time TV, and any image you want at the click of a mouse or a tap on your phone. If it's not that obvious, you have women objectifying themselves in all of these arenas almost completely voluntarily by the way they dress and the parts they play. To make matters worse, young females dress all too often in ways that don't leave much to the imagination anywhere we go. Even moms in their uncovered yoga pants. I have a wife and two daughters. You can look beautiful without showing skin.

And not that it's all the fault of women either. Men want to see more, so the more skin is shown, the more it drives up the dollars in movies, on websites, and in clothing stores. Sex sells, men lap it up, and force the economic demand. Men of all ages are so visually drawn to it that the desire for sexual fulfillment gets more and more perverted with every passing miniskirt or image on a screen. Women who want the attention get it...and then some. Sometimes with devastating results.

It's a vicious cycle that can only be overcome by grace in America as a whole. Some campus committee can't do this. They can only enforce the rules.




Tl;dr: The sexual culture isn't the fault of colleges. It's the fault of mainstream America.
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Ive got to agree here. This is definitely a symptom of a larger problem.

Now I'm not trying to blame the victim or justify the offender in the least. Nor am I saying that men can't control themselves or that any woman would ever deserve anything like rape, ever. But it is a self-evident fact of life that every crowd potentially contains one or more sexual predators, same for child predators and thieves. So being half-naked, drunk, and horny in a mixed crowd of other half-naked, drunk, and horny people is comparable to allowing small children to wander alone in public places or purposely leaving your wallet unattended on a park bench. In fact, any situation that involves a large group of young people trying to live their lives like they're on Jersey Shore or Party Down South, may not be "promoting a culture of rape" but it is certainly providing ample opportunity for it to occur. If we as a society don't start doing more to encourage young people to avoid these situations, we are doing them a disservice.
 
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Brillovol said:
About all this rape culture stuff...

I wonder if the real problem isn't on college campuses, but the sexual culture in America today. Let's see, you get sex in movies, on prime time TV, and any image you want at the click of a mouse or a tap on your phone. If it's not that obvious, you have women objectifying themselves in all of these arenas almost completely voluntarily by the way they dress and the parts they play. To make matters worse, young females dress all too often in ways that don't leave much to the imagination anywhere we go. Even moms in their uncovered yoga pants. I have a wife and two daughters. You can look beautiful without showing skin.

And not that it's all the fault of women either. Men want to see more, so the more skin is shown, the more it drives up the dollars in movies, on websites, and in clothing stores. Sex sells, men lap it up, and force the economic demand. Men of all ages are so visually drawn to it that the desire for sexual fulfillment gets more and more perverted with every passing miniskirt or image on a screen. Women who want the attention get it...and then some. Sometimes with devastating results.

It's a vicious cycle that can only be overcome by grace in America as a whole. Some campus committee can't do this. They can only enforce the rules.




Tl;dr: The sexual culture isn't the fault of colleges. It's the fault of mainstream America.
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As a man with a 1.5 year old daughter I find myself philosophizing about these things all the time.

Not sure of answers, but it's a real struggle.

Thinking of something happening to my daughter like what happened to the girl from Baylor sends me to psycho land.

However, being a male I know all it takes is an accusation to send your life out of control.
 
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I don't buy it. Sexual openness isn't the problem. College campuses have always been full of sex, drugs, and alcohol.


The only difference now is that we conceptualize rape and sexual assault differently and women have more resources to easily make this type of stuff known. 20-30 years ago if a girl drank too much and was taken advantage of, then people told her it was her fault. Nowadays on some campuses they tell kids that if you have any level of intoxication, you can't give consent. In the past, women who reported rape were often not given the benefit of the doubt if they'd been out drinking or partying. Nowadays, the opposite is usually true.

We've shifted from one extreme to the other when it comes to conceptualizing and reporting sexual assault. That's why we're seeing all of these issues. College kids' sexual habits are basically the same nowadays as they have been for the past 30-40 years. That isn't what has changed.
 
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Darth, I don't disagree on the sexual activity changing. Sexual perversion is as old as time itself. I do believe, however, that the stimulants, opportunity, and the suggestive clothing of today plays a big part in having men wanting it just enough more to not take no for an answer.

You're right on the reporting and awareness of sexual assault. Just an accusation means guilt in the court of public opinion now according to the media.
 
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Brillovol said:
Darth, I don't disagree on the sexual activity changing. Sexual perversion is as old as time itself. I do believe, however, that the stimulants, opportunity, and the suggestive clothing of today plays a big part in having men wanting it just enough more to not take no for an answer.

You're right on the reporting and awareness of sexual assault. Just an accusation means guilt in the court of public opinion now according to the media.
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I don't agree about men not wanting to take no for an answer. I don't think that's any different today than the past either. The difference is that in the past we didn't hear about this stuff as much AND it was reported less.

I don't have the numbers (they're likely impossible to accumulate anyway), but I imagine that the number of sexual assaults has probably been pretty steady over the last 30-40 years. The difference is that now more are reported and people hear about them.

Using short skirts and clothing as a reason is just lazy. 30-40 years ago people were saying the same thing. Even longer ago people said the same thing about showing ankle in public. Men aren't wired to turn into unstoppable sex maniacs as soon as they see a little skin. If that was the case, then you'd see fewer rapes on campuses with long winters and more on campuses that stay warm year round. But that's just not the case.
 
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Dust10 said:
I posted this in the off topic thread, but I know some people don't go there, especially with it all political talk at the moment.

Anyone here have an interest in fantasy baseball? An ESPN league I'm in has 2 vacancies. It is a keeper league where you can keep up to 6 players on the current team. The league administrator only asks for active participants (setting lineups, etc.)
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I have never done a keeper league , but if there is still an opening I might be interested. I wont quit in the middle of the season on you.
 
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Darth_Shiveman said:
I don't agree about men not wanting to take no for an answer. I don't think that's any different today than the past either. The difference is that in the past we didn't hear about this stuff as much AND it was reported less.

I don't have the numbers (they're likely impossible to accumulate anyway), but I imagine that the number of sexual assaults has probably been pretty steady over the last 30-40 years. The difference is that now more are reported and people hear about them.

Using short skirts and clothing as a reason is just lazy. 30-40 years ago people were saying the same thing. Even longer ago people said the same thing about showing ankle in public. Men aren't wired to turn into unstoppable sex maniacs as soon as they see a little skin. If that was the case, then you'd see fewer rapes on campuses with long winters and more on campuses that stay warm year round. But that's just not the case.
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It seems prudent to me that we should seek to reduce these numbers.

If it is at the same number as "x" decades ago, well then how about we lower that number today.

We are not cool with saying it's the same as 40 years ago so shut up are we?
 
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theutvolunteers said:
It seems prudent to me that we should seek to reduce these numbers.

If it is at the same number as "x" decades ago, well then how about we lower that number today.

We are not cool with saying it's the same as 40 years ago so shut up are we?
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I agree that we should seek to reduce them and make progress. I'm not trying to sound like I don't think that.


But human nature is human nature.
 
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The change in today's sexual assault culture from 20 years ago is simple.


"Unable to consent"


I never heard of such a phase when I was in college and now it's common place
 
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Brillovol said:
Darth, I don't disagree on the sexual activity changing. Sexual perversion is as old as time itself. I do believe, however, that the stimulants, opportunity, and the suggestive clothing of today plays a big part in having men wanting it just enough more to not take no for an answer.

You're right on the reporting and awareness of sexual assault. Just an accusation means guilt in the court of public opinion now according to the media.
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As a man who was formerly a young man I can tell you that nearly all clothing was suggestive when it was being worn by a female that I found the least bit attractive.

Even burkas made female eyes look bangin. Just saying...
 
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