Obama to announce new gun restrictions

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volprof said:
If we can have cars that will be driving us all around while we watch the 15th installment of "Rocky" on our tech screens in another decade or two, I fail to see how we can't make well-adapted tech that can shot a damn gun when we need. Smart gun manufacturers already recommend you change the batteries every five years or so. I know how we don't like extra burdens, but just change the darn battery when the battery needs to be changed. We do the same thing with a car. And it's more likely that a net-loss of lives will be prevented by this than those who die in a malfunction, when their gun is needed, which will probably rarely, if ever, occur.
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So much "if" here.

I guarantee the default in smart cars is if there is any problem in the circuitry, power, etc the car is to shutdown, stop. Systems have overrides for safety.

Does your thumb print reader on you iphone work every time? Hell no. Does you bluetooth ever drop the signal or not pair correctly? Hell yes.

So what is the life saving of the "smart gun" - preventing unauthorized use? What about the non-smart 300 million guns? What about hacks to jail break them.

To me this is feel-good fantasy land.
 
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hog88 said:
I'm only against requiring "smart" gun technology. If there is a market for the tech, by all means I hope the manufactures' fill the need.

I put smart in quotation marks because anything that will delay the use of a gun during a time of need isn't smart.
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It's not a perfect solution. It certainly won't be a cure-all. I'm not suggesting that. We would need research, although I doubt it will ever come to that, but I wager that a net-plus of lives could be saved with smart tech than lost with it. When you think about accidental deaths, gun theft prevention, suicides that may be result of wrongful gun use (father's gun or something), etc., I have a hard time believing that would not outweigh the few people who would unfortunately find themselves quickly outgunned on occasion.
 
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I'll go back to the policy advocated by Hndg - punish illegal gun sales severely. Put enforcement efforts into identifying and prosecuting them. This would do much more than any of the proposed new regulations.
 
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volinbham said:
So much "if" here.

I guarantee the default in smart cars is if there is any problem in the circuitry, power, etc the car is to shutdown, stop. Systems have overrides for safety.

Does your thumb print reader on you iphone work every time? Hell no. Does you bluetooth ever drop the signal or not pair correctly? Hell yes.

So what is the life saving of the "smart gun" - preventing unauthorized use? What about the non-smart 300 million guns? What about hacks to jail break them.

To me this is feel-good fantasy land.
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Accidental deaths, gun theft prevention (often used in other crimes), suicide use by non-gun owners (father's gun). Heck, the way tech is, it may even eventually be possible to make a gun that can recognize whether a user is using it in an unlawful situation, like a mass shooting and would then shut down. That's probably a way's off though, if ever.

I agree that it shouldn't necessarily be required, and, as you say, the majority of guns are conventional, but I think the govt. should make significant strides to subsidize more affordable smart guns (if gun manufacturers think they can't make them at a comparable price as conventional) or at least to incentivize their purchase, whether it be a minor tax break or what. I would like to see some research on the matter first, although I'm not sure how you research the effects of something that doesn't exist en masse at the moment.
 
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volinbham said:
So much "if" here.

I guarantee the default in smart cars is if there is any problem in the circuitry, power, etc the car is to shutdown, stop. Systems have overrides for safety.

Does your thumb print reader on you iphone work every time? Hell no. Does you bluetooth ever drop the signal or not pair correctly? Hell yes.

So what is the life saving of the "smart gun" - preventing unauthorized use? What about the non-smart 300 million guns? What about hacks to jail break them.

To me this is feel-good fantasy land.
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So now someone defending themselves could have a really literal "blue screen of death"?

I'll make a deal with all the "smart gun" supporters. When the tech reaches a point of reliability where all government agents are carrying weapons of that type (including the secret service) I'll consider the concept pretty well vetted. Until then, no thanks.
 
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hog88 said:
Cost is a big problem. How expensive will these self driving cars be? How expensive are "smart" guns? Will only the well to do be able to afford a firearm?
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I'm fine with that. Everyone knows that only poor people commit crime.
 
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volinbham said:
I'll go back to the policy advocated by Hndg - punish illegal gun sales severely. Put enforcement efforts into identifying and prosecuting them. This would do much more than any of the proposed new regulations.
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Gun Violence is concentrated in the urban areas, drug trafficking He would rather place blame on untrustworthy police department. He is gifted in ingoring facts
 
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volinbham said:
None of his actions would have prevented Newtown I presume.
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Can't stop them all, don't even try to stop any, amirite?
 
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hndog609 said:
So now someone defending themselves could have a really literal "blue screen of death"?

I'll make a deal with all the "smart gun" supporters. When the tech reaches a point of reliability where all government agents are carrying weapons of that type (including the secret service) I'll consider the concept pretty well vetted. Until then, no thanks.
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Again, this is about the big picture, which includes deaths from accidents, some suicides (certainly not all), and prevention of crimes from gun theft. This is not just about being able to defend oneself in a Wild West shootout, which, while an unfortunate reality, occurs I imagine much less frequently than the others enumerated.
 
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volprof said:
If we can have cars that will be driving us all around while we watch the 15th installment of "Rocky" on our tech screens in another decade or two, I fail to see how we can't make well-adapted tech that can shot a damn gun when we need. Smart gun manufacturers already recommend you change the batteries every five years or so. I know how we don't like extra burdens, but just change the darn battery when the battery needs to be changed. We do the same thing with a car. And it's more likely that a net-loss of lives will be prevented by this than those who die in a malfunction, when their gun is needed, which will probably rarely, if ever, occur.
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It is indeed an interesting proposal actually. I have recently heard that there is a proposal to make primers that have a shelf life. The supposition is that it will stop stockpiling of ammo. What happens when you go to defend yourself and the gun doesn't work because of dead batteries or bad ammo. I guess you just die. Too bad so sad.
 
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Remember when Obama told McCain :"I won" and his agenda was accepted and not challenged. He agenda has been rejected by losing the senate and house.. The people do't want your ideas..The continues to be on the wrong sides of everything..
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
It is indeed an interesting proposal actually. I have recently heard that there is a proposal to make primers that have a shelf life. The supposition is that it will stop stockpiling of ammo. What happens when you go to defend yourself and the gun doesn't work because of dead batteries or bad ammo. I guess you just die. Too bad so sad.
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I don't think "smart ammo" should be needed. Just like I don't think every man, woman, and child should need to have a gun on his/her person to be safe in public.
 
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volprof said:
I don't think "smart ammo" should be needed. Just like I don't think every man, woman, and child should need to have a gun on his/her person to be safe in public.
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I'm not aware of every man, woman, and child having a gun in public. If they did, I would imagine things would be much safer.
 
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volprof said:
Again, this is about the big picture, which includes deaths from accidents, some suicides (certainly not all), and prevention of crimes from gun theft. This is not just about being able to defend oneself in a Wild West shootout, which, while an unfortunate reality, occurs I imagine much less frequently than the others enumerated.
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I am being big picture...if the tech isn't vetted enough to be carried by LEO and government agents then it's not good enough for me.

And that's not even playing any remotely conspiratorial angles...think OnStar.

And as an aside you do know the whole "wild west" thing is almost entirely a fictional entertainment creation, right?
 
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davethevol said:
I'm not aware of every man, woman, and child having a gun in public. If they did, I would imagine things would be much safer.
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You are the counter to the take all the guns to make it safer guy. To hell with rational thought let's just toe the line.

The old west, though not as violent as portrayed by Hollywood was pretty damn violent by today's standards.
 
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hndog609 said:
I am being big picture...if the tech isn't vetted enough to be carried by LEO and government agents then it's not good enough for me.

And that's not even playing any remotely conspiratorial angles...think OnStar.

And as an aside you do know the whole "wild west" thing is almost entirely a fictional entertainment creation, right?
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Well said

If it isn't good enough for military or Leo, it's not good enough for me.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
You are the counter to the take all the guns to make it safer guy. To hell with rational thought let's just toe the line.

The old west, though not as violent as portrayed by Hollywood was pretty damn violent by today's standards.
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The "old west" line is overplayed in the discussion.
 
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