To Protect and to Serve II

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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
But these situations happen, it matters not if the person has a badge or not. What would happen to a civilian who shot a kid that has a toy gun? He'd be facing manslaughter charges at best.
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It does too matter if they have a badge or not.... If they are completing their job in a reasonable manner then they need more protections than the average citizen.... Just like I have protections in my job that the average citizen does not have.
 
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volbeast33 said:
It does too matter if they have a badge or not.... If they are completing their job in a reasonable manner then they need more protections than the average citizen.... Just like I have protections in my job that the average citizen does not have.
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That's scary. Badges do not grant extra rights. At least, they are not supposed to.
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
M.D. HARMON: 'A prosecutor can have a grand jury indict a ham sandwich if he wants to' - Central Maine

The citizen is much more at risk than the cop. Not only is that terrible, it's down right immoral. Two sets of rules, one for the citizen, one for the cop.

Then we can get into the triad that is formed against the accused. The judge, the prosecutor, and the cop all work for the same employer..... Can you say, conflict of interest?
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QI is for civil suits. GJ's do not have a dog in that hunt. Triad against the accused? Where was this triad in this specific case? Your arguments are getting hard to follow. If its easy to indict why were the officers not indicted?🤔
 
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tim said:
QI is for civil suits. GJ's do not have a dog in that hunt. Triad against the accused? Where was this triad in this specific case? Your arguments are getting hard to follow. If its easy to indict why were the officers not indicted?🤔
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Hard to follow? Ok, let me explain. The judge, the prosecutor, the cop who will testify, all work for and are paid by the state. It's their goal to prosecute the accused (unless he's cop of course) In any other line of employment, besides government, that is a MAJOR conflict of interest.
Why wasn't the cops prosecuted? Qualified immunity of course. The notion that somehow the cop is better than the citizen.

Bill Buppert has a wonderful article on just this very thing. I'm sure you'll disagree wholeheartedly, however the message remains.

Befehl ist Befehl: Why Cops Are Morally Wrong by Bill Buppert | ZeroGov
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
Hard to follow? Ok, let me explain. The judge, the prosecutor, the cop who will testify, all work for and are paid by the state. It's their goal to prosecute the accused (unless he's cop of course) In any other line of employment, besides government, that is a MAJOR conflict of interest.
Why wasn't the cops prosecuted? Qualified immunity of course. The notion that somehow the cop is better than the citizen.

Bill Buppert has a wonderful article on just this very thing. I'm sure you'll disagree wholeheartedly, however the message remains.

Befehl ist Befehl: Why Cops Are Morally Wrong by Bill Buppert | ZeroGov
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Do you understand the difference between civil and criminal? Qualified immunity does absolutely nothing for an official in a criminal proceeding. Grand Juries only hear criminal cases. The argument you make seems to bend to your beliefs. If its so easy to indict why were the officers not?
 
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tim said:
Do you understand the difference between civil and criminal? Qualified immunity does absolutely nothing for an official in a criminal proceeding. Grand Juries only hear criminal cases. The argument you make seems to bend to your beliefs. If its so easy to indict why were the officers not?
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Because the state protects its own. Unless the cop does something so egregious (see Walter Scott) that he simply must be prosecuted. I don't care about what is supposedly lawful in the eyes of politicians. I operate on morality, actions come from individuals and individuals should be held accountable for their actions. Whether they wear a badge, or not.

You tell me, why wasn't the cop prosecuted? Because it was found that he didn't do anything criminal, right? Well, isn't murder against the law? He should have been charged with negligent homicide at the very least. He took someone's life with his negligent actions.
Also, where does his previous record fit into this case? He was fired for being mentally unstable, do you really want a guy like that, who loses his **** when faced with the pressures of a firing range carrying a badge?
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
Because the state protects its own. Unless the cop does something so egregious (see Walter Scott) that he simply must be prosecuted. I don't care about what is supposedly lawful in the eyes of politicians. I operate on morality, actions come from individuals and individuals should be held accountable for their actions. Whether they wear a badge, or not.

You tell me, why wasn't the cop prosecuted? Because it was found that he didn't do anything criminal, right? Well, isn't murder against the law? He should have been charged with negligent homicide at the very least. He took someone's life with his negligent actions.
Also, where does his previous record fit into this case? He was fired for being mentally unstable, do you really want a guy like that, who loses his **** when faced with the pressures of a firing range carrying a badge?
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The state protects its own, then you cite where it didnt and make an excuse. Not sure how his previous record fits in. Apparently the jurors didnt find that it was damning. So, now we're gonna change the topic from immunity to mental state?
 
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tim said:
The state protects its own, then you cite where it didnt and make an excuse. Not sure how his previous record fits in. Apparently the jurors didnt find that it was damning. So, now we're gonna change the topic from immunity to mental state?
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Oh let's see, how many murders have been commited by the police this year alone? I'll help you, it's over 1100. Granted some were justified, but let's think back, how many cops have you seen brought up on charges this year alone? Not very damn many.

As I stated earlier, I understand cops don't want to call out their own. It's part of the whole blue wall of silence. I get that, and its deplorable and speaks volumes of the nasty depraved profession that is law enforcement. Nothing more than a criminal gang protected by their political masters till the very end.
 
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tim said:
The state protects its own, then you cite where it didnt and make an excuse. Not sure how his previous record fits in. Apparently the jurors didnt find that it was damning. So, now we're gonna change the topic from immunity to mental state?
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A concealed carry owner drives home and finds someone walking away down his long driveway carrying something behind him. His wife/child had called him and said that they heard noises outside the home. The man, not knowing what to expect immediately shoots the other that was on his driveway. Turns out it was a tree trimmer working for a local coop or distributor clearing the right-of-way behind his home. He mistaken the chainsaw behind the man's back for an assault weapon of some kind. The home security cameras capture the entire event.

That conceal carry owner gets no charges, right?
 
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For anyone that cannot see that our so called justice system is broken, it's past time to wake up and see what's going on in your country. All of this stuff affects you, and how you go about your every day lives.

Some will say, well, I don't break the law, I don't have anything to worry about. None of that matters, if someone wrongly accuses you of a crime, and you don't have the funds to defend yourself, you are screwed.
We do not have a justice system, we have an enforcement system. Step out of line ever so slightly, if you dare.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Oh, so you are an expert now on operational tactics for law enforcement? Tell me, where did you get your certification and are you road patrol or corrections, or maybe dual certified?

You have no freaking clue what you are talking about.

Had the police more slowly responded and this kid started shooting and killing passers by, you'd be screeching about their incompetence.
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Except by the time they got there he was the only one within range of his fake weapon.
 
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YorkVol said:
Please explain further
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Its pretty obvious. Do we begin with the 911 call or basic training? Do we begin with purchasing the airsoft or removal of the red tip? The list is long
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
For anyone that cannot see that our so called justice system is broken, it's past time to wake up and see what's going on in your country. All of this stuff affects you, and how you go about your every day lives.

Some will say, well, I don't break the law, I don't have anything to worry about. None of that matters, if someone wrongly accuses you of a crime, and you don't have the funds to defend yourself, you are screwed.
We do not have a justice system, we have an enforcement system. Step out of line ever so slightly, if you dare.
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We cant even fly planes into our own buildings without being caught by sleuths like you and Ras. How the heck we gonna fix the CJ system?
 
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tim said:
We cant even fly planes into our own buildings without being caught by sleuths like you and Ras. How the heck we gonna fix the CJ system?
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Oh no, I'm not a truther. I do however cite the foreign policy of this government as the cause of the attack.


If you want to fix the system, it'll take an entire rewriting of the entire criminal code in this country.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
A concealed carry owner drives home and finds someone walking away down his long driveway carrying something behind him. His wife/child had called him and said that they heard noises outside the home. The man, not knowing what to expect immediately shoots the other that was on his driveway. Turns out it was a tree trimmer working for a local coop or distributor clearing the right-of-way behind his home. He mistaken the chainsaw behind the man's back for an assault weapon of some kind. The home security cameras capture the entire event.

That conceal carry owner gets no charges, right?
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He deserves to be charged.... Why was the police not called? These examples are idiotic
 
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tim said:
Its pretty obvious. Do we begin with the 911 call or basic training? Do we begin with purchasing the airsoft or removal of the red tip? The list is long
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Ok thanks, wasn't sure where you were coming from.
 
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#496
DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
There's that double standard. So what changes things? The badge?
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No it's the job..... Let's use another profession..... i use to work at Lowes.... One time a guy trying to get a load of sheet rock off the top shelf with a forklift dropped it onto the floor... They threw the busted pieces away and put the rest on the shelf...: the guy did not have to pay for it and received further training on the forklift.... If a customer did the same thing.... He could have been charged with a crime and would have had to pay for the broken pieces.... I know it's a silly example but there are protections when you are attempting to do something within your job description
 
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volbeast33 said:
No it's the job..... Let's use another profession..... i use to work at Lowes.... One time a guy trying to get a load of sheet rock off the top shelf with a forklift dropped it onto the floor... They threw the busted pieces away and put the rest on the shelf...: the guy did not have to pay for it and received further training on the forklift.... If a customer did the same thing.... He could have been charged with a crime and would have had to pay for the broken pieces.... I know it's a silly example but there are protections when you are attempting to do something within your job description
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You're right, it's a silly example. Human life has a bit more value than Sheetrock. However, I do understand what you mean.
I still say it's a very dangerous attitude to have with regards to law enforcement. Having two standards is simply the problem we have with the system already.
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
You're right, it's a silly example. Human life has a bit more value than Sheetrock. However, I do understand what you mean.
I still say it's a very dangerous attitude to have with regards to law enforcement. Having two standards is simply the problem we have with the system already.
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What standards are you referring to? An officer cannot break the law and not expect charges.
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
You're right, it's a silly example. Human life has a bit more value than Sheetrock. However, I do understand what you mean.
I still say it's a very dangerous attitude to have with regards to law enforcement. Having two standards is simply the problem we have with the system already.
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If you don't have two sets of standards then you will have guys sitting around listening to police scanners and going out to deliver some vigilante justice.
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
Oh no, I'm not a truther. I do however cite the foreign policy of this government as the cause of the attack.


If you want to fix the system, it'll take an entire rewriting of the entire criminal code in this country.
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So the Barbary pirates were Bushs fault? Its not as if they just started attacking people/places/things.
 
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