Butch says it takes 6 to 7 years to build a program in the SEC

[I40flyer]

My perception is, some folks haven't learned that passing judgment is a bit like stepping into drying cement with both feet. Once there, you feel rather committed, and staying there any time at all makes it more and more difficult to return to a neutral viewpoint.

Don't know why some members of VN felt so compelled to pass judgment so quickly on Butch. With things trending in the right direction, it would be very easy (and prudent) to just continue to watch and support without reaching any conclusions. *shrug* some folks just prefer to choose a side as soon as they can, i guess.

You won't be able to convince most of them otherwise, at this point. Nothing short of an SEC championship will do that, and even that won't work for some.

HELL YES, Nothing short of an SEC CHAMPIONSHIP WILL DO. How hard is that to understand???? All the "We're willing to accept a pretty good season for 4 or 5 more years" types, nothing can help you. For Real Vol Fans, YES we Want an SEC Championship, if CBJ is as good as half the fan boys post, that's easy money, in fact, many believe we'll be playing for the NC Next year. I hope they are right on both counts. If they are wrong, the same old "Brick by brick, it takes 20 years, we didn't even have a football program when CBJ took over....." and the rest of the tired excuses won't cut it. It's time for UT to be back on top.:hi:

 

[I40flyer]

Why is this thread active 6 weeks later? Ridiculous.

Here is my view. Butch will be in his 4th season next year, and I would not say we would be favored to win the SEC, but there is a good chance we can and should win the East.

And everyone knows we will take a step back in 2017 given what we are losing. Which means that 2018-2019 (Years 6 and 7 of the Butch regime) are the years I would point to in which we may well be favored to win the entire SEC and/or be a playoff team.

And I don't have any problems at all if that's how it plays out. If we win the East next year that's significant progress and we will face an obvious rebuild in 2017, then be positioned for better things.

Losing Hunter Johnson hurts, but we have some other good QBs, so....:rock:

"IF WE WIN THE EAST NEXT YEAR...."???? Let's don't set our sight too high! How about, we win more than 50% of our games and get to another bowl (as 80 teams will do)??? It sounds to me, you have no problem with UT going a few more years, as a "Should have/could have , only if...." type team.
Most Vol Fans want us to start winning, Yes NEXT YEAR. Winning the east, not the SEC, then going a few more years in the toilet, just isn't cutting it.

 

[MustafaRasta]

You make some real articulate points

 

[jakez4ut]

My perception is, some folks haven't learned that passing judgment is a bit like stepping into drying cement with both feet. Once there, you feel rather committed, and staying there any time at all makes it more and more difficult to return to a neutral viewpoint.

Don't know why some members of VN felt so compelled to pass judgment so quickly on Butch. With things trending in the right direction, it would be very easy (and prudent) to just continue to watch and support without reaching any conclusions. *shrug* some folks just prefer to choose a side as soon as they can, i guess.

You won't be able to convince most of them otherwise, at this point. Nothing short of an SEC championship will do that, and even that won't work for some.

agreed.

 

[The Tall Gguy]

JP and Jake:

While I am often called a NegaVol, I do give credit where it is due--awesome running game, defense, special teams, recruiting.

I also will point out concerns...playcalling, halftime adjustments, clock management.

I'm still not convinced that Butch is our guy...I know hindsight is 20/20, but this really should have been the year we ended the bammer floriduh streaks.

No doubt we are trending upward in the W/L and relevance categories, but this coaching staff MUST beat Fla and Bama. It really does have to happen.

 

[bowlinggreenvol]

Facts don't matter to you? Jones didn't say it takes 6-7 years. That's what's funny about this thread and those like you.
And I was never on board with the Dooley hire. Not from day 1.
Also I can see the tremendous progress this program has made. Fools continue to attach a quote to Jones he didn't make and refuse to acknowledge progress. Like the old saying goes "ignorance is bliss".

Jones didn't say it takes that long, because he has no idea. He hasn't coached in the league long enough to know. However, he is the one who brought it up unsolicited. Why mention it if he doesn't hold it it to have some semblance of truth? If he disagreed with it, he could've acknowledged that. But he didn't, he chose to mention it in passing and no expound upon it.

 

[jakez4ut]

JP and Jake:

While I am often called a NegaVol, I do give credit where it is due--awesome running game, defense, special teams, recruiting.

I also will point out concerns...playcalling, halftime adjustments, clock management.

I'm still not convinced that Butch is our guy...I know hindsight is 20/20, but this really should have been the year we ended the bammer floriduh streaks.

No doubt we are trending upward in the W/L and relevance categories, but this coaching staff MUST beat Fla and Bama. It really does have to happen.

i think i've made it pretty clear where i am on this subject.

 

[utvolpj]

Very few in the entire country are beating bama yet it's now a requirement for Butch. This gets dumber by the day

 

[jakez4ut]

Jones didn't say it takes that long, because he has no idea. He hasn't coached in the league long enough to know. However, he is the one who brought it up unsolicited. Why mention it if he doesn't hold it it to have some semblance of truth? If he disagreed with it, he could've acknowledged that. But he didn't, he chose to mention it in passing and no expound upon it.

was he asked "how long does it take...."..no.

was it relevant to the discussion they were having about how important it is to have RS jr's and sr's on the roster, yes.

he didn't come out of the clear blue and say "hey, just in case you all didn't know, it's going to take me 6-7 years to build this thing, so be patient folks".

and i think that's how people are taking this, and it's not accurate, in the context of the actual conversation that was going on.

 

[The Tall Gguy]

It is dumb not to expect to beat a team just because they are "better than us". It happens ALL THE TIME.

 

[jakez4ut]

Very few in the entire country are beating bama yet it's now a requirement for Butch. This gets dumber by the day

why? i don't think anyone is clamoring for us to dominate Bama year in and year out.

can we end a nearly decade long losing streak, at home, with the team we have coming back? i think we can. it's far from a sure thing though....

because of what you stated...they're that good.

anyway, i won't be the one, nor do i think there will be many, that will say "beat bama or fire butch" as long as Bama is at or near the top of the college football landscape, like they are now.

Florida on the other hand.......we need to win that game.

 

[utvolpj]

why? i don't think anyone is clamoring for us to dominate Bama year in and year out.

can we end a nearly decade long losing streak, at home, with the team we have coming back? i think we can. it's far from a sure thing though....

because of what you stated...they're that good.

anyway, i won't be the one, nor do i think there will be many, that will say "beat bama or fire butch" as long as Bama is at or near the top of the college football landscape, like they are now.

Florida on the other hand.......we need to win that game.

Won't be many? You highlighted that exact requirement just 3 pays above

this coaching staff MUST beat Fla and Bama.

The word "must" was even put in all caps for extra emphasis. If that's a requirement for a UT coach then we have 2 or 3 to pick from. Better start stroking some checks Butch haters. UTAD welcomes all first time donors

 

[The Tall Gguy]

I'll say it. This coaching staff MUST beat Fla and Bama.

I understand that nothing will be done if they don't and we will just bask in the "delight" of another season we didn't win the SEC East, SEC, or get a spot in the playoff....oh but we are trending upward, so all is well.

 

[jakez4ut]

Won't be many? You highlighted that exact requirement just 3 pays above



The word "must" was even put in all caps for extra emphasis. If that's a requirement for a UT coach then we have 2 or 3 to pick from. Better start stroking some checks Butch haters. UTAD welcomes all first time donors

that was TG's post, and my big thing, as has been well documented, is the FL game.

and for the record (i've said this many times as well), the FL game imo is a program issue. it's not this staff's issue, unless it continues to go winless and extend this streak even further. 5-20 is not Butch's fault. 5-20 says our program has a personality issue against the Gators. Butch can be the guy that breaks the streak and changes that personality. but it does need to start with winning 1.

Bama...they've had 5 #1 recruiting classes in a row. they're just a machine right now.

and you haven't, nor will you, find a post penned by me stating this staff should be fired for losing to Bama, or FL for that matter.

 

[Titan&Volfan4life]

I honestly believe that next season we get the WIN against floriDUHHH if we have no serious injuries.

Against alaBubba I think we'll go 1-1 next season.

We'll barely lose in the regular season and we'll WIN over alaBummer in the SEC Championship game and break their little arrogant hearts.

I really don't care what buTch says as long as our WINS keep going up until we WIN it all and then stay in the top 10 consistently with a playoff chance every few years.

Building a Champion #BrickbyBrick...VFL...GBO!!!

 

[jakez4ut]

I'll say it. This coaching staff MUST beat Fla and Bama.

I understand that nothing will be done if they don't and we will just bask in the "delight" of another season we didn't win the SEC East, SEC, or get a spot in the playoff....oh but we are trending upward, so all is well.

if we go 10-2 (losing to FL again) and to the citrus bowl next year, it will be.

this is getting off the rails here, there's a thread for this....but as much pressure as i have, and will, put on beating FL next year, losing it doesn't mean we can't have a good season. if we do lose, and finish 10-2, we'll have some really good SEC wins, we'll be ranked, and could be in a NY 6 bowl....possibly the Sugar bowl.
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and all will be well.

TG, you and i probably aren't that far off on a lot of things, but i am not in the camp that it's a win the SEC and go to play off or bust.

 

[sjt18]

Jones needs to beat UF and Bama. If you are OK with 2nd tier... then I guess he doesn't. But if your belief is that UT should be a championship caliber program.... then there's no way to avoid the obvious.

 

[jakez4ut]

Won't be many? You highlighted that exact requirement just 3 pays above



The word "must" was even put in all caps for extra emphasis. If that's a requirement for a UT coach then we have 2 or 3 to pick from. Better start stroking some checks Butch haters. UTAD welcomes all first time donors

PJ..."requirement" can mean a lot of different things, depending on your point of view.

it's required, or else..........in that case, then no, it's not. he won't be, nor should he be, fired if we lose to Bama, or FL for that matter. and we stll finish 9-3 or 10-2. that'd be a good season.

but, let me ask you this....why do we go after all these 4 and 5* recruits? why do we spend MILLIONS on facilities and facility upgrades? why did we hire the coaches we did?

the answer is simple...the whole point of everything we're doing over there is to compete with the top teams in our conference, and in the country.

so while it may not be written in that "you beat FL, Bama and GA or else", there's not really any getting around it.....

that's the point. and again, i'm not saying we have to dominate these teams. i don't think that's realistic. they're good too. one of their reasons for existing is to beat TN. but can we beat these teams with anything that resembles regularity? yeah, i think that it's ok to expect that.

especially now that we have upgraded in so many areas, and the losing streaks have gone on long enough. if we want to be that kind of program that should have high expectations, year in and year out, then we shouldn't be losing to these teams with such regularity.

and i don't think i'm reaching here.

 

[butchna]

Jones needs to beat UF and Bama. If you are OK with 2nd tier... then I guess he doesn't. But if your belief is that UT should be a championship caliber program.... then there's no way to avoid the obvious.

Gotta be BOTH this year? Or can we "let" him get one this year and the other the next? Need to know so I can book my spot at the new coach's PC. :gone:

 

[utvolpj]

Beating bama is necessary to accomplish the goals of winning rings. It should not be a requirement for Butch to keep his job. Say it's a rare belief all you want but I've seen it stated way too many times on here to believe that

 

[The Tall Gguy]

No Pj, you are wrong. Accept it. You have no clue what you are talking about. You just come on here to argue in favor of and to protect Butch. Does he pay you? Why are you so defensive of him? Were you this way for Dooley too?

 

[utvolpj]

No Pj, you are wrong. Accept it. You have no clue what you are talking about. You just come on here to argue in favor of and to protect Butch. Does he pay you? Why are you so defensive of him? Were you this way for Dooley too?

Clever. Only piece lacking from this post is to call me Mrs Jones.

 

[The Tall Gguy]

Were you the one they called Barbara when Dooley was here?

 

[theFallGuy]

I'll say it. This coaching staff MUST beat Fla and Bama.

I understand that nothing will be done if they don't and we will just bask in the "delight" of another season we didn't win the SEC East, SEC, or get a spot in the playoff....oh but we are trending upward, so all is well.

I disagree. I think we need to beat FLorida to take the lead in the East but losing to Bama in a competitive game next year is not a deal breaker.

 

[GAVol]

We've got the tallgguy talking to thefallguy.

This. Is. Awesome.