Butch says it takes 6 to 7 years to build a program in the SEC

[led0321]

Not true. His 6-7 year to build an SEC program statement falls right in line with pretty much everything else he's said about being patient, "we're building a program, not a team", etc, etc. He continuously makes excuses about youth and inexperience, continuously digs for and offers tortured statistics for how young the team is, etc, etc. So his statements were in no way taken out of context. He was essentially saying it's gonna take him 3 to 4 more years to get to an ideal situation with respect to depth and experience and that's when we should expect him to win big. And when the general expectation in college football today is that any headcoach typically has 3, 4 years tops, to show great improvement with the program, to demonstrate that you're "the guy".....when people hear a coach say "it takes 6 to 7 years", thats when people's ears perk up and question the statement....that's why it's been so widely discussed on VN , on sports talk radio, and in the media in general.

And btw, you're never, ever gonna have redshirt juniors and seniors "across the board" and, quite honestly, that's not a necessity for a program to win championships. You need talent (which Jones has done a great job accumulating to date), you need excellent coaching and culture (which again, Jones gets high marks for), and you need a guy who can manage games abd make sound decisions on Saturdays....which is where Jones has fallen woefully short to date.

I was listening to his comment that night on Vol calls and people have made a huge deal out of nothing.

 

[ReaderVol]

ReaderVol: He didn't say that.

Me and a couple others: It's not whether or not he said it, the problem is that several here actually BELIEVE that he needs 6-7 years and are arguing in defense of it.

GAVol: He didn't say that.

Okay lol

The grand Poobah of Jones bashers KB is still arguing that Jones did say it LOL. And hell, he's yalls hero. Well him and Clay Travis.

 

[ajvol01]

Then that supports my point even more, because it means USC's fall into mediocrity happened even earlier in the sanction period when the argument was that the effects are delayed for several years.

You really believe your own BS, huh?

#1 class 2010, 18 signees

https://rivals.yahoo.com/tennessee/football/recruiting/teamrank/2010/all/all

#4 class 2011, 30 signees

https://rivals.yahoo.com/tennessee/football/recruiting/teamrank/2011/all/all

#8 class 2012, 15 signees

https://rivals.yahoo.com/tennessee/football/recruiting/teamrank/2012/all/all

Elite talent every year and he still couldn't get it done.

Either that or he and his staff were not very good at evaluating talent.

 

[NashVol11]

You really believe your own BS, huh?

#1 class 2010, 18 signees

https://rivals.yahoo.com/tennessee/football/recruiting/teamrank/2010/all/all

#4 class 2011, 30 signees

https://rivals.yahoo.com/tennessee/football/recruiting/teamrank/2011/all/all

#8 class 2012, 15 signees

https://rivals.yahoo.com/tennessee/football/recruiting/teamrank/2012/all/all

Elite talent every year and he still couldn't get it done.

Either that or he and his staff were not very good at evaluating talent.

The BS that being down 10 scholarships wrecks a team's depth? Good luck arguing that one

 

[GAVol]

ReaderVol: He didn't say that.

Me and a couple others: It's not whether or not he said it, the problem is that several here actually BELIEVE that he needs 6-7 years and are arguing in defense of it.

GAVol: He didn't say that.

Okay lol

Now you're just trolling. My comment wasn't all that hard understand.

 

[NashVol11]

You really believe your own BS, huh?

#1 class 2010, 18 signees

https://rivals.yahoo.com/tennessee/football/recruiting/teamrank/2010/all/all

#4 class 2011, 30 signees

https://rivals.yahoo.com/tennessee/football/recruiting/teamrank/2011/all/all

#8 class 2012, 15 signees

https://rivals.yahoo.com/tennessee/football/recruiting/teamrank/2012/all/all

Elite talent every year and he still couldn't get it done.

Either that or he and his staff were not very good at evaluating talent.

Also, your choice of years is both telling and hilarious. As you pointed out, the restrictions were upheld in May 2011. The first two recruiting classes after that year had 15 and 12 signees. I see you're desperate to make this a Kiffin thing, but do you really want to argue that bringing in half-classes like that while losing transfers like Malik Jackson all over the place doesn't impact depth immediately? Go ahead. Again, good luck.

 

[StillaWaiting]

I go through the Rack Hard !

 

[ajvol01]

The BS that being down 10 scholarships wrecks a team's depth? Good luck arguing that one

He signed very similar numbers to Butch's first 2 years - no scholarship limitations during those recruiting classes.

#1 and #4 ranked classes and you're still making excuses ?

Following Pete Carroll is not the same as following Derek Dooley. The cubbard was never bare at USC.

Don't recall any walk-ons ever playing a down at USC.

Keep trying though.

 

[NashVol11]

He signed very similar numbers to Butch's first 2 years - no scholarship limitations during those recruiting classes.

#1 and #4 ranked classes and you're still making excuses ?

Following Pete Carroll is not the same as following Derek Dooley. The cubbard was never bare at USC.

Don't recall any walk-ons ever playing a down at USC.

Keep trying though.

We're talking about the effects that scholarship limitations have on a program and you're talking about years with NO scholarship restrictions and "cubbards."

Good effort

 

[majorvol]

Agree

 

[I40flyer]

There are still Kiffin and Dooley fans on this board, many have added CBJ to their group of Greats! To some it appears, as if once someone is hired by UT- to coach Football, they become the greatest coach ever, and should be loved by all, and for all time. No one should ever, for any reason, have a negative thought, much less make a negative post about a former or current coach from UT. If they do, they're "Negavols"! Is it possible, those stepping outside of this "Man Crush" crowd,those pointing out faults (that if fixed would result in a better UT Season), might actually be the real Vol fans??? Those worshipping CBJ now (but also worshipped at the alter of Dooley and Kiffin) may actually be doing harm to our program? It's funny how those that have/had a man crush on coach Dooley, don't bring up their great admiration in defense of their past hero.:good!:

 

[Grand Vol]

I'm reasonably certain you are not going to find any Dooley fans on this board.

 

[ReaderVol]

There are still Kiffin and Dooley fans on this board, many have added CBJ to their group of Greats! To some it appears, as if once someone is hired by UT- to coach Football, they become the greatest coach ever, and should be loved by all, and for all time. No one should ever, for any reason, have a negative thought, much less make a negative post about a former or current coach from UT. If they do, they're "Negavols"! Is it possible, those stepping outside of this "Man Crush" crowd,those pointing out faults (that if fixed would result in a better UT Season), might actually be the real Vol fans??? Those worshipping CBJ now (but also worshipped at the alter of Dooley and Kiffin) may actually be doing harm to our program? It's funny how those that have/had a man crush on coach Dooley, don't bring up their great admiration in defense of their past hero.:good!:

You are absolutely wrong. Some of the biggest Jones bashers were some of the biggest Dooley supporters. So how do you explain that?
Here's a hint for you genius. Some of the Jones haters have stated "I was fooled by Dooley and won't be by Jones". So you're just wrong.
Also why can you and others not recognize the tremendous progress this program has made under Jones and crew?

 

[I40flyer]

You are absolutely wrong. Some of the biggest Jones bashers were some of the biggest Dooley supporters. So how do you explain that?
Here's a hint for you genius. Some of the Jones haters have stated "I was fooled by Dooley and won't be by Jones". So you're just wrong.
Also why can you and others not recognize the tremendous progress this program has made under Jones and crew?

Hey, your post is a demonstration of your idiotic brain function. You say, "Some of the biggest...", if it had been, "All of the...", you may have a point, but you don't. How do I explain Dooley supporters being Jones bashers? Easy, once they figured out that their "Man Crush" on Dooley was stupid, they figured out that they should start looking carefully at our coaching staff. Sadly there are still a few (as you are) that still slobber over anyone that coaches at UT. We've had poor coaches. We lost two games due to Poor coaching this year, Period. 6-7 years to build a team, how long will it take for Jones to stop relying on charts and start coaching as an big time SEC coach should??? I have a feeling your man crush has blinded you to the facts.lol::whistling:

 

[I40flyer]

I'm reasonably certain you are not going to find any Dooley fans on this board.

I'm impressed that those big Dooley supporters, and let's face it, there were a lot, have suddenly admitted (at least to themselves) they were wrong. They have gotten over their man crush, as far as Dooley was concerned, however; it appears many of the Dooley fan-boys have redirected their adoration to Jones! How many times do we have to read, "We're headed in the Right direction...." or something similar??? This is the "Chant" that starts every time someone brings up a couple of loses due to jones's coaching-this year.
Next year, as so many jones fans have stated, will be The Year. I'm all for it, hope they are 100% correct. We should be starting in the top 25, win the SEC title at a bare minimum. If not, the excuses will start with "CBJ says he needs a few more years.....". And let's not forget, "The team was just barely better than a high school team when CBJ took over...." This stuff has to stop some day-maybe next year.

 

[Grand Vol]

I'm impressed that those big Dooley supporters, and let's face it, there were a lot, have suddenly admitted (at least to themselves) they were wrong. They have gotten over their man crush, as far as Dooley was concerned, however; it appears many of the Dooley fan-boys have redirected their adoration to Jones! How many times do we have to read, "We're headed in the Right direction...." or something similar??? This is the "Chant" that starts every time someone brings up a couple of loses due to jones's coaching-this year.
Next year, as so many jones fans have stated, will be The Year. I'm all for it, hope they are 100% correct. We should be starting in the top 25, win the SEC title at a bare minimum. If not, the excuses will start with "CBJ says he needs a few more years.....". And let's not forget, "The team was just barely better than a high school team when CBJ took over...." This stuff has to stop some day-maybe next year.

I was a Dooley supporter just like I supported any coach that's hired to be a Vol. But my support also waned in the third year and said "I know he isn't our guy." But being the coach, he got my support at the start regardless of my like or dislike of him.

And for the record, I've said the same thing about Jones. I'm still not sure if he's our guy, but he's earned enough lately at this point for me to give him another year. But after the Florida and Arkansas losses, I'm certainly on the fence. And still am to an extent. But he did inherit a dumpster fire hence my wait and see for one more year before making up my mind. Any coach gets three with me, with him, an 8-4 record gets him another one to see what production comes about with this class maturing and seeing how recruiting will go in the spring.

But on the overall subject, it does take 6-7 years to build the depth needed to consistently challenge for the SEC Championship. As I stated in another thread, we will have a team of freakish abilities next year. But many of them will move on and they will have to be replaced. Look at Auburn and where they sit now. They had a class with some outstanding players, but they weren't replaced and we saw the decline of their team.

So year after next is where we'll see if the recruiting dividends are paying off like they should.

 

[ReaderVol]

Hey, your post is a demonstration of your idiotic brain function. You say, "Some of the biggest...", if it had been, "All of the...", you may have a point, but you don't. How do I explain Dooley supporters being Jones bashers? Easy, once they figured out that their "Man Crush" on Dooley was stupid, they figured out that they should start looking carefully at our coaching staff. Sadly there are still a few (as you are) that still slobber over anyone that coaches at UT. We've had poor coaches. We lost two games due to Poor coaching this year, Period. 6-7 years to build a team, how long will it take for Jones to stop relying on charts and start coaching as an big time SEC coach should??? I have a feeling your man crush has blinded you to the facts.lol::whistling:

Facts don't matter to you? Jones didn't say it takes 6-7 years. That's what's funny about this thread and those like you.
And I was never on board with the Dooley hire. Not from day 1.
Also I can see the tremendous progress this program has made. Fools continue to attach a quote to Jones he didn't make and refuse to acknowledge progress. Like the old saying goes "ignorance is bliss".

 

[ReaderVol]

I'm impressed that those big Dooley supporters, and let's face it, there were a lot, have suddenly admitted (at least to themselves) they were wrong. They have gotten over their man crush, as far as Dooley was concerned, however; it appears many of the Dooley fan-boys have redirected their adoration to Jones! How many times do we have to read, "We're headed in the Right direction...." or something similar??? This is the "Chant" that starts every time someone brings up a couple of loses due to jones's coaching-this year.
Next year, as so many jones fans have stated, will be The Year. I'm all for it, hope they are 100% correct. We should be starting in the top 25, win the SEC title at a bare minimum. If not, the excuses will start with "CBJ says he needs a few more years.....". And let's not forget, "The team was just barely better than a high school team when CBJ took over...." This stuff has to stop some day-maybe next year.

And for the record Mr "brilliance" if you do a quick search I stated prior to the season people were off on this season. I stated on this site 8-4 and we were a year away. Just because some were foolish enough to jump on board the hype train that was started at SEC media days didn't change my thoughts on the team. I was called names for saying 8-4, hmmmmmmm how did the season turn out?
Next season this team will win the East and have a real shot at winning the SECCG.

 

[I40flyer]

Facts don't matter to you? Jones didn't say it takes 6-7 years. That's what's funny about this thread and those like you.
And I was never on board with the Dooley hire. Not from day 1.
Also I can see the tremendous progress this program has made. Fools continue to attach a quote to Jones he didn't make and refuse to acknowledge progress. Like the old saying goes "ignorance is bliss".

Hey, Mr. Blinded by BS, as you are so big on searching the board for quotes, find the post where I said, Jones said, "6-7 year......"!!!! Your reading comprehension is limited-at best. You state, "I was never on board with dooley...". Wow, you are the greatest! You were not on board with having a man crush on dooley from day one! Good for you. The fan boys gush over CBJ to the point they are willing to over look (BIG TIME) two "L" games due to his coaching. I wouldn't be surprised if you didn't have a full sized photo of CBJ hanging next to your bed. Fans Boys are, well.......:crazy:

 

[ReaderVol]

Hey, Mr. Blinded by BS, as you are so big on searching the board for quotes, find the post where I said, Jones said, "6-7 year......"!!!! Your reading comprehension is limited-at best. You state, "I was never on board with dooley...". Wow, you are the greatest! You were not on board with having a man crush on dooley from day one! Good for you. The fan boys gush over CBJ to the point they are willing to over look (BIG TIME) two "L" games due to his coaching. I wouldn't be surprised if you didn't have a full sized photo of CBJ hanging next to your bed. Fans Boys are, well.......:crazy:

Your very first response to me on this thread.
But trying to discuss reality with you is a waste of time. Good day

 

[NashVol11]

And for the record Mr "brilliance" if you do a quick search I stated prior to the season people were off on this season. I stated on this site 8-4 and we were a year away. Just because some were foolish enough to jump on board the hype train that was started at SEC media days didn't change my thoughts on the team. I was called names for saying 8-4, hmmmmmmm how did the season turn out?
Next season this team will win the East and have a real shot at winning the SECCG.

The fact that you predicted 8-4 (along with just about everyone, but I know you love to pat yourself on the back) doesn't mean that 8-4 is the best we could have done and that we didn't choke away two more wins. You're basically saying we lost those games because we're a year away and therefore just couldn't help but lose up two touchdowns in the 4th.

 

[ReaderVol]

The fact that you predicted 8-4 (along with just about everyone, but I know you love to pat yourself on the back) doesn't mean that 8-4 is the best we could have done and that we didn't choke away two more wins. You're basically saying we lost those games because we're a year away and therefore just couldn't help but lose up two touchdowns in the 4th.

I'm not saying that at all. And yes prior to the SEC media days most had us 8-4. After media days people went nuts and predicted 10 plus wins. And yes we could've won more and we could've lost more as well but we didn't. I never fell for the media driven hype and believed we'd lose some we shouldn't and win some we shouldn't. That's what teams at the level of our rebuild do.

 

[ReaderVol]

Some on here refuse to acknowledge the FACT that depth issues have had a major impact on our record this season. Some lack either the football knowledge or the intellectual honesty to see the lack of depth issue.

 

[NashVol11]

I'm not saying that at all. And yes prior to the SEC media days most had us 8-4. After media days people went nuts and predicted 10 plus wins. And yes we could've won more and we could've lost more as well but we didn't. I never fell for the media driven hype and believed we'd lose some we shouldn't and win some we shouldn't. That's what teams at the level of our rebuild do.

Yeah, I just think we do the former a lot more than the latter.

 

[Wylo]

Some on here refuse to acknowledge the FACT that depth issues have had a major impact on our record this season. Some lack either the football knowledge or the intellectual honesty to see the lack of depth issue.

If I may, some in here refuse to acknowledge the FACT that coaching cost us as much as any depth issue.