Butch says it takes 6 to 7 years to build a program in the SEC

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ReaderVol said:
Speaking of brilliance. You're still bashing our coach for something he didn't even say. Your quite the Clay Travis, facts be damned
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I'm more bashing the fans for acting like it's a reasonable thing to say. Since you keep distancing Butch from those comments, I assume you agree with me.
 
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VKAman said:
I'm more bashing the fans for acting like it's a reasonable thing to say. Since you keep distancing Butch from those comments, I assume you agree with me.
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I'm not distancing anything just pointing out facts. This entire discussion has been idiotic.
 
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VKAman said:
I'm more bashing the fans for acting like it's a reasonable thing to say. Since you keep distancing Butch from those comments, I assume you agree with me.
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This is stupid. Anybody with an IQ above room temperature knows what he means and that he's not actually saying " you have to give me 6-7 years to succeed".

I'm not even totally sold on Butch, but the nuance isn't exactly hard to figure out here.
 
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GAVol said:
It's almost as annoying as people who pretend to be sure he won't win and push that narrative.

People need to get over their "issues" and just enjoy the ride rather than pretending anyone cares who ends up being right.
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The Holy Grail, right there. :clapping:
 
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VKAman said:
It just depends on the reductions. If Alabama were cut down to 75, they'd have to get down to 75 and they're not going to do it by only signing 10 players. People will transfer, and regardless of the talent and depth you have, you're not just going to keep it because you wouldn't have the scholarships to do that.

USC had no depth immediately. They got away with it for a year, but were bad by year 2. It doesn't take long.

Scholarships aren't taken away from future recruiting classes. They're taken away from the 85 that you can have on your team, right now. I think that's where there's a disconnect here.
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Kiffin and USC appealed the decision and dragged it out for over a year.

The scholarship reductions didn't hit until after Kiffin's first season at USC.
 
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Even if CBJ didn't say that, so many agree with the 6-7 years (as a minimum) he may as well said it. What is strange, to say the least, are the large number of posters, that support the 6 to 7 year "Building program", that also seem to believe we'll have a Huge year NEXT YEAR. They seem to have it both ways. If next year go poorly, they'll point to the 6-7 year thing, if it goes well, they forget the 6-7 year thing, and continue on with the boyish man crush for CBJ.
 
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I40flyer said:
Even if CBJ didn't say that, so many agree with the 6-7 years (as a minimum) he may as well said it. What is strange, to say the least, are the large number of posters, that support the 6 to 7 year "Building program", that also seem to believe we'll have a Huge year NEXT YEAR. They seem to have it both ways. If next year go poorly, they'll point to the 6-7 year thing, if it goes well, they forget the 6-7 year thing, and continue on with the boyish man crush for CBJ.
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Such a false statement.
To build a program, as was referenced, means multiple injuries, or a coach missing a game etc... you are still set up to perform. Which we haven't been.
Being able to contend means that you have enough pieces that if "the ball bounces your way", it is a decent possibility.

The explanations are so simple, I refuse to believe that you truly didn't understand.
I'm gonna have to believe that you are just shooting for a negative twist to a reasonable outlook.
 
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CBJ is right on track to beat 6-7 years.
Year 1 5-7
year 2 7-5
year 3 8-4
year 4 10-2
I see a pattern of improvement. I really like year 6 to be the nail in the coffin season. After season 6 he'll get a year of peace from the negateers. :)
 
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He didn't say it takes 6-7 to be competitive. He said it takes 6-7 years to have redshirt Juniors and Seniors across the board in your program.

His comments were in a reply to a question and have been taken out of context about as bad as they could have.
 
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Well, since Jones is now the senior coach in the SEC East (except for KY, but they are KY and don't count) he has a big head start on the 6-7 year build that, by his reckoning, every SEC East team has to go through.

No excuse for him to not have a decade of dominance, with multiple first place SEC East finishes.
 
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led0321 said:
He didn't say it takes 6-7 to be competitive. He said it takes 6-7 years to have redshirt Juniors and Seniors across the board in your program.

His comments were in a reply to a question and have been taken out of context about as bad as they could have.
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Not true. His 6-7 year to build an SEC program statement falls right in line with pretty much everything else he's said about being patient, "we're building a program, not a team", etc, etc. He continuously makes excuses about youth and inexperience, continuously digs for and offers tortured statistics for how young the team is, etc, etc. So his statements were in no way taken out of context. He was essentially saying it's gonna take him 3 to 4 more years to get to an ideal situation with respect to depth and experience and that's when we should expect him to win big. And when the general expectation in college football today is that any headcoach typically has 3, 4 years tops, to show great improvement with the program, to demonstrate that you're "the guy".....when people hear a coach say "it takes 6 to 7 years", thats when people's ears perk up and question the statement....that's why it's been so widely discussed on VN , on sports talk radio, and in the media in general.

And btw, you're never, ever gonna have redshirt juniors and seniors "across the board" and, quite honestly, that's not a necessity for a program to win championships. You need talent (which Jones has done a great job accumulating to date), you need excellent coaching and culture (which again, Jones gets high marks for), and you need a guy who can manage games abd make sound decisions on Saturdays....which is where Jones has fallen woefully short to date.
 
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I40flyer said:
Even if CBJ didn't say that, so many agree with the 6-7 years (as a minimum) he may as well said it. What is strange, to say the least, are the large number of posters, that support the 6 to 7 year "Building program", that also seem to believe we'll have a Huge year NEXT YEAR. They seem to have it both ways. If next year go poorly, they'll point to the 6-7 year thing, if it goes well, they forget the 6-7 year thing, and continue on with the boyish man crush for CBJ.
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Even if? Dude it's no question it's fact. He didn't NOT say that in the context some have stated. You and your ilk are just miserable goobs.
 
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GAVol said:
This is stupid. Anybody with an IQ above room temperature knows what he means and that he's not actually saying " you have to give me 6-7 years to succeed".

I'm not even totally sold on Butch, but the nuance isn't exactly hard to figure out here.
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ReaderVol: He didn't say that.

Me and a couple others: It's not whether or not he said it, the problem is that several here actually BELIEVE that he needs 6-7 years and are arguing in defense of it.

GAVol: He didn't say that.

Okay lol
 
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ajvol01 said:
Kiffin and USC appealed the decision and dragged it out for over a year.

The scholarship reductions didn't hit until after Kiffin's first season at USC.
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Then that supports my point even more, because it means USC's fall into mediocrity happened even earlier in the sanction period when the argument was that the effects are delayed for several years.
 
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