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hog88 said:
Bless your heart.

The Republican party needs to be shaken up. The establishment deadbeats need to be put out to pasture before the party dies.

The Dems would unite behind Osama Bin Laden if he were electable.
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If you want a candidate that divides the party you are opening am the door and welcoming Madame President Clinton.

Think about it hog. Cruz cannot beat Hillary, if he cannot unite his own party.
 
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Gramps said:
True, if Trump could win the GOP, he has a good chance at beating Hillary.
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If there is another terrorist attack in this country, he will be swept in whether he runs as the nominee or 3rd party. He has positioned himself, politically, into a space no else is occupying (except somewhat for Cruz).
 
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Gramps said:
If you want a candidate that divides the party you are opening am the door and welcoming Madame President Clinton.

Think about it hog. Cruz cannot beat Hillary, if he cannot unite his own party.
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I wouldn't say he can't beat Hillary. She's going to have to answer some real questions during the debates.
 
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Grand Vol said:
I honestly think there's only three candidates that could give Hillary a run for her money in a debate: Rand, Rubio and, believe it or not, Christie. All three are pretty passionate and can put up a good fight to get her backed into a corner. But Rand has to grow some claws like he did in the last debate. The exchange with Rubio was a really good, but they came off in a draw IMO since Rand was addressing the fiscal conservative side of the party and Rubio was going after the strong military side of the party. And both made good points, hence why I call it a draw.

The rest of the candidates I don't believe could put up a challenge in a neutrally moderated debate. You need a brawler going head to head with her that's backed by passion and facts. And someone the voting base can relate to.

And that certainly isn't Hillary. And the candidates need to make sure that's well known.
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Rand's problem is that his style just doesn't lend itself to scenarios where sound bites rule the day (which is what these 8-10 person debates are more than anything else), and he's not the sort of alpha personality that people want in this primary. His attempt to go after Trump in the first debate was ill-conceived. I will happily vote for him if he's still around when the primary comes, but there's a reason he's not getting traction.

I agree with Rubio and Christie. Both would hold their own. Cruz would too in a debate setting, but I don't think he would come across well.
 
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VolsNSkinsFan said:
They do as alpha type males. Trump is about as Alpha as you can get while Cruz is to a lesser extent
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Reagan spoke in a manner that made you want to listen to him, like he was talking directly to you. Trump comes off more as a bully, he wants to make you listen to him and he'll talk over you if you don't. Cruz, I don't get alpha from him at all.
 
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VolsNSkinsFan said:
Cruz is a RR GOPer. Most of the GOP is full of Bush types. The reason why Cruz & Trump are popular is b/c they most resemble RR. Rubio and the rest of the GOP are the party of Bush. The GOP is leaving the party of Bush. The establishment is kicking and screaming about it
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How is Trump like Ronald Reagan? Ronald "granted illegals amnesty" Reagan.
 
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hog88 said:
Reagan spoke in a manner that made you want to listen to him, like he was talking directly to you. Trump comes off more as a bully, he wants to make you listen to him and he'll talk over you if you don't. Cruz, I don't get alpha from him at all.
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Agree. Reagan's smartass remarks to libs always seemed to have some humor or sugar to help the medicine go down. But, I wonder what his demeanor would be today, encountering a more extreme left.
 
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UTCVol said:
Rand's problem is that his style just doesn't lend itself to scenarios where sound bites rule the day (which is what these 8-10 person debates are more than anything else), and he's not the sort of alpha personality that people want in this primary. His attempt to go after Trump in the first debate was ill-conceived. I will happily vote for him if he's still around when the primary comes, but there's a reason he's not getting traction.

I agree with Rubio and Christie. Both would hold their own. Cruz would too in a debate setting, but I don't think he would come across well.
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I think Rand can get the crowd going. Not with sound bites like you say, but he's smart. And smart enough to be able to put another candidate on the spot. The exchange with Trump was ill conceived, I agree. But you roll around with pigs and you're going to get muddy. And Trump has a good way of answering a lot of things tossed at him. Like his bankruptcy declaration(s). His answer? "So I used the laws of this country in my favor and kept my business around? And?"

Trump wouldn't do bad in a debate with Hillary if, and only if, he put something of substance out there that makes sense and something she can't counter. People listen when he talks if only to scoff at his remarks. But they do listen, Republican and Democrat alike.
 
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I said it in another thread and it bears repeating. Donald Trump is the Howard Stern of this election. He's really the man you either love or hate. I think the conversation about Howard Stern's listeners from the movie "Private Parts" sums it up best:

Researcher: The average radio listener listens for eighteen minutes a day. The average Howard Stern fan listens for - are you ready for this? - an hour and twenty minutes.
Kenny: How could this be?
Researcher: Answer most commonly given: "I want to see what he'll say next."
Kenny: : All right, fine. But what about the people who hate Stern?
Researcher: Good point. The average Stern hater listens for two and a half hours a day.
Kenny: : But... if they hate him, why do they listen?
Researcher: Most common answer: "I want to see what he'll say next."
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Substitute Trump for Howard and you have exactly what's happening.
 
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n_huffhines said:
How is W not an alpha male? Reagan turned tail and ran after Beirut. Bush took a terrorist bombing and turned the dial from near zero up to 11.
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Huff, you really need to think about what you just said before you start calling Reagan a coward. And that's exactly what you did.

Ever hear of Operation El Dorado Canyon?

Invasion of Grenada?

Strengthening Europe and the US military a a whole which actually led to a safer Europe with the INF Treaty?

Reagan Doctrine?

And let's not forget how the troops stayed in Lebanon almost four months after the bombing of the Marine Barracks and only after pressure came from Congress to withdraw the troops.

So before you get all cranky in a retort, you best have your facts in order. And to say Reagan "turned tail and ran" is complete and utter horse ****, so don't even try to pull that crap in here.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Huff, you really need to think about what you just said before you start calling Reagan a coward. And that's exactly what you did.

Ever hear of Operation El Dorado Canyon?

Invasion of Grenada?

Strengthening Europe and the US military a a whole which actually led to a safer Europe with the INF Treaty?

Reagan Doctrine?

And let's not forget how the troops stayed in Lebanon almost four months after the bombing of the Marine Barracks and only after pressure came from Congress to withdraw the troops.

So before you get all cranky in a retort, you best have your facts in order. And to say Reagan "turned tail and ran" is complete and utter horse ****, so don't even try to pull that crap in here.
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I don't think Reagan was a coward, nor did I call him that. WTF to the rest
 
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Well it seems Rand will be demoted from the main debate stage. A "conservative" party that has Clinton/Obama voter leading with 35% and someone like Rand Paul below 5% is one that has lost it's mind and it's base.

The exchange between Rand and Rubio in the last debate was a clear sign someone like Rand is simply too conservative for the "conservative" party.
 
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Rand losing was a foregone conclusion. Everybody asks for meaningful change but nobody votes for it.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Rand losing was a foregone conclusion. Everybody asks for meaningful change but nobody votes for it.
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As a much greater support of his dad, I still was willing to give Rand my attention. He did enough to get a few dollars from me, and in a field containing Trump, Bush, Rubio, Fiorina, Christie, Huckabee, Carson, and Cruz...... The fact he isn't polling top 3 proves that what I want in a candidate will likely never have the chance. It's not getting any better as people my age (27) are shoving their head up Berne's ass with the pockets remaining open for handouts while in there..... Or they are republicans and are constantly acting like elitist douchebags and promoting war every chance they get.
 
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