2016 Election

[Gramps]

No you didn't. Might want to have your meds checked.

You need to learn how to keep up.

I already explained it once piglet aND qouted the post i was replying to. I was replying to a post calling Cruz arrogant. I said IMO, Crux is 10x worse.

 

[volfanjustin]

Imo, Cruz is 10x worse than Obama. I don't like his rhetoric. I don't like his actions in the Senate. He is also a one term senator, we have a one of those in the WH now, fo not need need another one.

:thud:

 

[tennvols77]

So Hildabeast thinks Trump "has gone way over the line"........if I'm Trump I offer $50 or $100 million to anyone willing to come forward with information of any kind that will lead to a conviction. I'm pretty sure even her closest "friends" would have to think hard about that. And, I'm pretty sure more than one will be willing to open the closet doors.

James McDougal - Clinton's convicted Whitewater partner died of an apparent heart attack, while in solitary confinement. He was a key witness in Ken Starr's investigation. Was James McDougal Murdered In A Federal Prison To Silence Him?

Ron Brown - Secretary of Commerce and former DNC Chairman. Reported to have died by impact in a plane crash. A pathologist close to the investigation reported that there was a hole in the top of Brown's skull resembling a gunshot wound. At the time of his death Brown was being investigated, and spoke publicly of his willingness to cut a deal with prosecutors.
The Botched Ron Brown Investigation
An Interview with AFIP Forensic Photographer Kathleen Janoski
by Wesley Phelan
Vince Foster - Former white House councelor, and colleague of Hillary Clinton at Little Rock's Rose law firm. Died of a gunshot wound to the head, ruled a suicide. Snippets From The Vince Foster Death Investigation


Mary Mahoney - A former White House intern was murdered July 1997 at a Starbucks Coffee Shop in Georgetown. The murder happened just as she was to go public with her story of sexual harassment in the White House.
Mary C. Mahoney and Eric Butera

Was this just a robbery gone bad? - See: Starbucks Suspect Faces Host of Charges By Bill Miller Washington Post, August 5, 1999


C. Victor Raiser II - & - Montgomery Raiser: Major players in the Clinton fund raising organization died in a private plane crash in July 1992.

Paul Tulley - Democratic National Committee Political Director found dead in a hotel room in Little Rock, September 1992. Described by Clinton as a "Dear friend and trusted advisor".

Ed Willey - Clinton fund raiser, found dead November 1993 deep in the woods in Virginia of a gunshot wound to the head. Ruled a suicide. Ed Willey died on the same day his wife Kathleen Willey claimed Bill Clinton groped her in the oval office in the White House. Ed Willey was involved in several Clinton fund raising events.

Jerry Parks - Head of Clinton's gubernatorial security team in Little Rock. Gunned down in his car at a deserted intersection outside Little Rock. Park's son said his father was building a dossier on Clinton. He allegedly threatened to reveal this information. After he died the files were mysteriously removed from his house.

James Bunch - Died from a gunshot suicide. It was reported that he had a "Black Book" of people containing names of influential people who visited prostitutes in Texas and Arkansas.

James Wilson - Was found dead in May 1993 from an aparent hanging suicide. He was reported to have ties to Whitewater.

Kathy Ferguson - Ex-wife of Arkansas Trooper Danny Ferguson died in May 1994 was found dead in her living roon with a gunshot to her head. It was ruled a suicide even though there were several packed suitcases, as if she was going somewhere. Danny Ferguson was a co-defendant along with Bill Clinton in the Paula Jones lawsuit. Kathy Ferguson was a possible corroborating witness for Paula Jones.

Bill Shelton - Arkansas state Trooper and fiancee of Kathy Ferguson. Critical of the suicide ruling of his fiancee, he was found dead in June, 1994 of a gunshot wound also ruled a suicide at the gravesite of his fiancee.

Gandy Baugh - Attorney for Clinton friend Dan Lassater died by jumping out a window of a tall building January, 1994. His client was a convicted drug distributor.

Florence Martin - Accountant - Sub-contractor for the CIA related to the Barry Seal Mena Airport drug smuggling case. Died of three gunshot wounds.

Suzanne Coleman - Reportedly had an affair with Clinton when he was Arkansas Attorney General. Died of a gunshot wound to the back of the head, ruled a suicide. Was pregnant at the time of her death.

Paula Grober - Clinton's speech interpreter for the deaf from 1978 until her death December 9, 1992. She died in a one car accident.

Danny Casolaro - Investigative reporter. Investigating Mena Airport and Arkansas Development Finance Authority. He slit his wrists, apparent suicide in the middle of his investigation.

Paul Wilcher - Attorney investigating corruption at Mena Airport with Casolaro and the 1980 "October Surprise" was found dead on a toilet June 22, 1993 in his Washington DC apartment. Had delivered a report to Janet Reno 3 weeks before his death.

Jon Parnell Walker - Whitewater investigator for Resolution Trust Corp. Jumped to his death from his Arlington, Virginia apartment balcony August 15,1993 Was investigating Morgan Guarantee scandal.

Barbara Wise - Commerce Department staffer. Worked closely with Ron Brown and John Huang. Cause of death unknown. Died November 29, 1996. Her bruised nude body was found locked in her office at the Department of Commerce.

Charles Meissner - Assistant Secretary of Commerce who gave John Huang special security clearance, died shortly thereafter in a small plane crash.

Dr. Stanley Heard - Chairman of the National Chiropractic Health Care Advisory Committee died with his attorney Steve Dickson in a small plane crash. Dr. Heard, in addition to serving on Clinton's advisory council personally treated Clinton's mother, stepfather and brother.

Barry Seal - Drug running pilot out of Mena Arkansas, Death was no accident.

Johnny Lawhorn Jr. - Mechanic, found a check made out to Clinton in the trunk of a car left in his repair shop. Died when his car hit a utility pole.

Stanley Huggins - Suicide. Investigated Madison Guarantee. His report was never released.

Hershell Friday - Attorney and Clinton fund raiser died March 1, 1994 when his plane exploded.

Kevin Ives & Don Henry - Known as "The boys on the track" case. Reports say the boys may have stumbled upon the Mena arkansas airport drug operation. Controversal case where initial report of death was due to falling asleep on railroad track. Later reports claim the 2 boys had been slain before being placed on the tracks. Many linked to the case died before their testimony could come before a Grand Jury. see: The Train Deaths - plus some comments from a mother of one of the boys about the connection to Bill Clinton..
THE FOLLOWING SEVEN PERSONS HAD INFORMATION ON THE IVES / HENRY CASE:

Keith Coney - Died when his motorcycle slammed into the back of a truck July, 1988

Keith McMaskle - Died stabbed 113 times, Nov, 1988

Gregory Collins - Died from a gunshot wound January 1989.

Jeff Rhodes - He was shot, mutilated and found burned in a trash dump in April 1989.

James Milan - Found decapitated. Coroner ruled death due to natural causes.

Jordan Kettleson - Was found shot to death in the front seat of his pickup truck in June 1990.

Richard Winters - Was a suspect in the Ives / Henry deaths. Was killed in a set-up robbery July 1989.

THE FOLLOWING CLINTON BODYGUARDS ARE DEAD
Major William S. Barkley Jr.
Captain Scott J. Reynolds
Sgt. Brian Hanley
Sgt. Tim Sabel
Major General William Robertson
Col. William Densberger
Col. Robert Kelly
Spec. Gary Rhodes
Steve Willis
Robert Williams
Conway LeBleu
Todd McKeehan

 

[UTCVol]

So his arrogance makes him 10x worse than Obama? There is a fine line between arrogant and confidant.

Obama didn't alienate his entire party as a senator. Honestly, it wasn't until he got into office that he became an insufferable hack in the eyes of most people. Cruz is already there. He's a divider, not a unifying force. People don't like his role in calling for the shutdowns. Not many people like his rhetoric except for hardline conservatives. Plus, he just comes across as fake.

Just my opinion (and no, I don't think he's 10x worse than Obama).

 

[hog88]

Obama didn't alienate his entire party as a senator. Honestly, it wasn't until he got into office that he became an insufferable hack in the eyes of most people. Cruz is already there. He's a divider, not a unifying force. People don't like his role in calling for the shutdowns. Not many people like his rhetoric except for hardline conservatives. Plus, he just comes across as fake.

Just my opinion (and no, I don't think he's 10x worse than Obama).

Democrats are lemmings, they stick together. So you don't get much dissension within the ranks.

I'm in no way a fan of Cruz but I can't see him being any worse of a divider than what's in the WH now. As far as fake, yeah I see that.

 

[UTCVol]

Democrats are lemmings, they stick together. So you don't get much dissension within the ranks.

I'm in no way a fan of Cruz but I can't see him being any worse of a divider than what's in the WH now. As far as fake, yeah I see that.

I don't know if he'll be worse, but it sure as hell wouldn't do anything to bridge the gap. Even Trump would be better on this issue despite his polarizing demeanor, because he doesn't really have a partisan ideology. Cruz is "conservative" almost to the letter, and I simply don't see him as able to bring moderates or independents into the fold because his senatorial stint shows he is absolutely uncompromising.

But yeah, there is a lot less dissension in the Democrat ranks. I'm curious to see if the Bernie movement gains traction like the Tea Party has if the Dems lose this election.

 

[Grand Vol]

Democrats are lemmings, they stick together. So you don't get much dissension within the ranks.

I'm in no way a fan of Cruz but I can't see him being any worse of a divider than what's in the WH now. As far as fake, yeah I see that.

Spot on in the first paragraph. And unfortunately, that's what gives them the edge in the GOP on the national level. Many might have thought Obama was a complete and utter rookie idiot that didn't deserve to be running against Hillary, but he was their rookie idiot and they voted for him regardless.

Yet we've already seen a whole bunch of posters saying "I will not vote unless Candidate X gets the nomination from the GOP side." And they typically aren't alone so you end up with a divided party that won't vote for what they don't consider "their guy." Not that I have a beef with that as that's their choice, but they remove any right to complain about how much Obama/Hillary is screwing something up by removing themselves from the voting process.

But like others, I do get that fake feeling from Cruz. Which is why if I was voting on basic sincerity, Rand and Marco get that vote hands down. Those two have the passion and charisma to sway voters over.

 

[hog88]

I don't know if he'll be worse, but it sure as hell wouldn't do anything to bridge the gap. Even Trump would be better on this issue despite his polarizing demeanor, because he doesn't really have a partisan ideology. Cruz is "conservative" almost to the letter, and I simply don't see him as able to bring moderates or independents into the fold because his senatorial stint shows he is absolutely uncompromising.

But yeah, there is a lot less dissension in the Democrat ranks. I'm curious to see if the Bernie movement gains traction like the Tea Party has if the Dems lose this election.

He's a politician pandering for votes, if he were to get the nomination he'll moderate drastically on the social issues. No one on the Dem side could really call him out for "changing" his mind.

The Dems will move farther to the left if Hillary doesn't win the White House but they will have forever shed the Kennedy and Clintons so they will again be in lockstep.

 

[hog88]

Spot on in the first paragraph. And unfortunately, that's what gives them the edge in the GOP on the national level. Many might have thought Obama was a complete and utter rookie idiot that didn't deserve to be running against Hillary, but he was their rookie idiot and they voted for him regardless.

Yet we've already seen a whole bunch of posters saying "I will not vote unless Candidate X gets the nomination from the GOP side." And they typically aren't alone so you end up with a divided party that won't vote for what they don't consider "their guy." Not that I have a beef with that as that's their choice, but they remove any right to complain about how much Obama/Hillary is screwing something up by removing themselves from the voting process.

But like others, I do get that fake feeling from Cruz. Which is why if I was voting on basic sincerity, Rand and Marco get that vote hands down. Those two have the passion and charisma to sway voters over.

Marco? I get the puppet vibe from him more than any of them.

 

[Grand Vol]

Marco? I get the puppet vibe from him more than any of them.

I don't. I get the same passion out of him that I do out of Rand. Just different ways of expressing it.

Jeb and Kasich, yes, puppet. Trump? Crazy man. Fiorina? Slightly puppet, but in way over her head. Christie is pretty passionate, but I get the "establishment" vibe from him. Huckabee? No passion at all.

Cruz? Fake.

Graham? GTFO...not that he has a chance in hell of making a nomination, but I had to throw that out there.

Carson? Sincere, but in way over his head. Could be a decent Cabinet guy though.

 

[UTCVol]

Marco? I get the puppet vibe from him more than any of them.

I think he's very genuine in regards to his background, and a lot of people may be able to relate to it. He does seem pretty vulnerable to special interest groups, especially the defense contractors. The former point is why I think he's the GOP's best bet.

He may be stuck between a rock and a hard place this time around. He's conservative but not to the degree that this primary electorate wants.

 

[hog88]

I don't. I get the same passion out of him that I do out of Rand. Just different ways of expressing it.

Jeb and Kasich, yes, puppet. Trump? Crazy man. Fiorina? Slightly puppet, but in way over her head. Christie is pretty passionate, but I get the "establishment" vibe from him. Huckabee? No passion at all.

Cruz? Fake.

Graham? GTFO...not that he has a chance in hell of making a nomination, but I had to throw that out there.

Carson? Sincere, but in way over his head. Could be a decent Cabinet guy though.

I'm pretty sure I'll be voting for Rand in the primary, doubt he wins the nomination though. Things can change between now and March 1 but Rand has a slight edge right now. Rubio and Cruz would be 2 and 3 right now but neither excite me, Rand doesn't for that matter.

Kasich lost me during the last debate.

The rest of the field :disappointed:

Terrible to think the 3 in the lead are first term Senators that aren't IMO qualified.

 

[n_huffhines]

Rubio is the epitome of everything that is broken with the GOP. I don't even know what to call Trump. He's just representative of a weird group within the GOP. He has threatened to leave the GOP, and that would probably be a good thing (in the long run) if he took his followers with him.

 

[hog88]

Rubio is the epitome of everything that is broken with the GOP. I don't even know what to call Trump. He's just representative of a weird group within the GOP. He has threatened to leave the GOP, and that would probably be a good thing (in the long run) if he took his followers with him.

Not just the GOP. I know some hard core Dems that are in his camp.

 

[VolsNSkinsFan]

Cruz is a RR GOPer. Most of the GOP is full of Bush types. The reason why Cruz & Trump are popular is b/c they most resemble RR. Rubio and the rest of the GOP are the party of Bush. The GOP is leaving the party of Bush. The establishment is kicking and screaming about it

 

[hog88]

Cruz is a RR GOPer. Most of the GOP is full of Bush types. The reason why Cruz & Trump are popular is b/c they most resemble RR. Rubio and the rest of the GOP are the party of Bush. The GOP is leaving the party of Bush

:lolabove:

Neither resemble Reagan.

 

[Gramps]

Democrats are lemmings, they stick together. So you don't get much dissension within the ranks.

I'm in no way a fan of Cruz but I can't see him being any worse of a divider than what's in the WH now. As far as fake, yeah I see that.

Cruz divides his own party. He is the leader of the Republican wing that Gov Bobby Jindal calls the party of the stupid.

Obama at least unites the Dems on most policies.

 

[VolsNSkinsFan]

:lolabove:

Neither resemble Reagan.

Trump & (to a lesser extent) Cruz are the most alpha type males that have run rep since RR.

 

[hog88]

Cruz divides his own party. He is the leader of the Republican wing that Gov Bobby Jindal calls the party of the stupid.

Obama at least unites the Dems on most policies.

Bless your heart.

The Republican party needs to be shaken up. The establishment deadbeats need to be put out to pasture before the party dies.

The Dems would unite behind Osama Bin Laden if he were electable.

 

[Gramps]

Not just the GOP. I know some hard core Dems that are in his camp.

True, if Trump could win the GOP, he has a good chance at beating Hillary.

 

[UTCVol]

:lolabove:

Neither resemble Reagan.

It's amazing that Trump has so successfully framed the narrative on two issues that people don't realize he's a wolf in sheep's clothing. He's all but said he supports single-player (or at least some form of socialized medicine), for God's sake.

I don't even want to think about how much this stuff would cost.

 

[VolsNSkinsFan]

Cruz divides his own party. He is the leader of the Republican wing that Gov Bobby Jindal calls the party of the stupid.

Obama at least unites the Dems on most policies.

Obama unites the Dems because people don't want to be un-invited to the parties around DC.

Cruz doesn't care about the social side of DC.

 

[Gramps]

Cruz is a RR GOPer. Most of the GOP is full of Bush types. The reason why Cruz & Trump are popular is b/c they most resemble RR. Rubio and the rest of the GOP are the party of Bush. The GOP is leaving the party of Bush. The establishment is kicking and screaming about it

Cruz and Trump are in no way a Ronald Reagan. Reagan was the great communicator who united America. Cruz is like Obama, a divider. Trump, I don't know what he is. Maybe a blow hard?

 

[Grand Vol]

I think he's very genuine in regards to his background, and a lot of people may be able to relate to it. He does seem pretty vulnerable to special interest groups, especially the defense contractors. The former point is why I think he's the GOP's best bet.

He may be stuck between a rock and a hard place this time around. He's conservative but not to the degree that this primary electorate wants.

I honestly think there's only three candidates that could give Hillary a run for her money in a debate: Rand, Rubio and, believe it or not, Christie. All three are pretty passionate and can put up a good fight to get her backed into a corner. But Rand has to grow some claws like he did in the last debate. The exchange with Rubio was a really good, but they came off in a draw IMO since Rand was addressing the fiscal conservative side of the party and Rubio was going after the strong military side of the party. And both made good points, hence why I call it a draw.

The rest of the candidates I don't believe could put up a challenge in a neutrally moderated debate. You need a brawler going head to head with her that's backed by passion and facts. And someone the voting base can relate to.

And that certainly isn't Hillary. And the candidates need to make sure that's well known.

 

[hog88]

It's amazing that Trump has so successfully framed the narrative on two issues that people don't realize he's a wolf in sheep's clothing. He's all but said he supports single-player, for God's sake.

I don't even want to think about how much this stuff would cost.

He's not a conservative for sure.