Recruiting Forum Football Talk XXIII

[BruinVol]

Correct. He was a full time coach at UCF before we landed him as a GA IIRC. His time as a GA is over.

Didn't know he had been fulltime coach before

Knowing that hiring him makes more sense but doing so means the status quo is going to take place.

That's fine by me I was happy with the offense

 

[BigOrange15]

How does the #1 return man statistically get left of of 1st and 2nd team AA? That's a ****ing joke.

 

[rekinhavoc]

USA Today is run by the ESPN Illuminati .....They hate us.

 

[BruinVol]

How does the #1 return man statistically get left of of 1st and 2nd team AA? That's a ****ing joke.

Was the team voted on a dual KR/PR for one player?

If so that's the reason

 

[BigOrange15]

Was the team voted on a dual KR/PR for one player?

If so that's the reason

If it said that, I missed it. Barrett Sallee put Christian Kirk in his list for doing both duties even though Berry is the best return man in the league. Also, I think Cam's stats are pretty close to Kirk at PR as well.

 

[Glitch]

Evan Berry didn't get 1st or 2nd Team All-American from USA Today. Joke.

 

[BruinVol]

If it said that, I missed it. Barrett Sallee put Christian Kirk in his list for doing both duties even though Berry is the best return man in the league. Also, I think Cam's stats are pretty close to Kirk at PR as well.

So there was only one return specialst on the team?


Edit: went back and looked. Only one returner on each team which makes sense why berry didn't get on the team. Should be 2 IMO. One for KR and one for PR.

 

[Daloth]

So there was only one return specialst on the team?


Edit: went back and looked. Only one returner on each team which makes sense why berry didn't get on the team. Should be 2 IMO. One for KR and one for PR.

The scary part is you could easily argue we have 2 of the top 5-8 return guys on one team. Berry is clearly the best Kickoff Return guy in the country and Sutton is one of the best Punt returners. Factor in Trevor Daniel and its terrifying just how elite our special teams have been this year, because he easily is one of the 5-10 best punters in the country as well.

 

[Vol464]

Man, I feel like you might have reading comprehension issues.

My last post on the subject because other posters are annoyed.

I already had reviewed what we all said.

I mentioned he might get a promotion.

Another poster brings up him getting a raise bc teams aren't going to hire him as an OC (first mention of OCs, period)

I respond and say "don't assume someone at a lower level wouldn't make him an OC" (see? That's called a "response" to someone. You could, apparently now, say "don't assume someone at a lower level wouldn't make him a HC)

Then you chime in with money talk and away we went with that discussion.

I had no idea what kind of promotion he'd get. I only got a statement from someone loosely associated with the program. Never tried to insinuate anything cause I didn't know anything. The OC talk came from someone else saying he wouldn't be considered for that position and I responded.

Unfortunately, this shouldn't have been so hard to see. But bruin gon bruin.

Your fault for trying to argue with bruin

 

[BruinVol]

Your fault for trying to lie to bruin

Fyp

 

[Outofmyvolcanmind]

The scary part is you could easily argue we have 2 of the top 5-8 return guys on one team. Berry is clearly the best Kickoff Return guy in the country and Sutton is one of the best Punt returners. Factor in Trevor Daniel and its terrifying just how elite our special teams have been this year, because he easily is one of the 5-10 best punters in the country as well.

Kamara is a beast also.

 

[BruinVol]

The scary part is you could easily argue we have 2 of the top 5-8 return guys on one team. Berry is clearly the best Kickoff Return guy in the country and Sutton is one of the best Punt returners. Factor in Trevor Daniel and its terrifying just how elite our special teams have been this year, because he easily is one of the 5-10 best punters in the country as well.

Yep

Berry and sutton both could have been all Americans if the teams had KR and PR on them

 

[DD4ME]

Move Z to TE/ST, and hire a QB/WR coach with Butch also assisting with WRs.

The QB CO-OC at Memphis is a solid up and comer would love to see him brought in.

Brad Cornelsen

 

[VolGee4]

So there was only one return specialst on the team?


Edit: went back and looked. Only one returner on each team which makes sense why berry didn't get on the team. Should be 2 IMO. One for KR and one for PR.

It really doesn't matter. Kirk still only had 2 total TD's while Berry had 3. Berry had a 38 yard average while Kirk had a 17.4 yard average on kickoffs. Kirk had his 2 TD's on punts. Unless you weight punt returns more than kickoff returns, that is a joke that Berry didn't get first or even second team.

 

[VolGee4]

The QB CO-OC at Memphis is a solid up and comer would love to see him brought in.

Brad Cornelsen

I want to say that I saw that he is going to VTech with Fuente.

 

[DD4ME]

Regarding Azzani you have to work hard to make a case for him outside of recruiting. Not so much in the other direction.

If he is not to blame for production or rotation or injuries he's at least to blame for not pushing for a change.

 

[The Breakerboy]

I go back and forth on whether I think CZA is a problem or not.

On one hand, you see Dobbs airmailing receivers by 10 feet... no WR coach in the world can do anything about that. I think his inaccuracy hurts some of the receivers on our roster - North, Williams, Malone to a degree - because they aren't shifty guys who will break wide open like Pig, Smith, Pearson can. They're big, athletic receivers who can physically overwhelm smaller DBs in one-on-ones when the ball is put in the right spot... but Dobbs can't make those throws consistently, and usually won't try because a miss can be a pick. So I think that's just part of the package with Dobbs to an extent.

But on the other hand, WRs frequently struggle to separate and appear to break off routes at the wrong depth multiple times per game. You also have plays like the seam route to Pearson against SC where Dobbs puts the throw where it needs to be and VP isn't looking for the ball. These are WR failures, and the fact that they generally seem widespread makes me wonder about the job CZA is doing. To make matters worse, this OL has improved tremendously as a run-blocking unit but they still struggle in the pass game, sometimes badly.

I think the narrative here is that our WRs sucked until Butch put on his hero suit and saved the team from Azzanni, which is cute but probably BS. There's a big spectrum between 'spending a little more time with them in practice' and 'taking over the unit'. Also, it's not lost on me that CZA's name always seems to surface during coaching change silly season. We may not like him, but other coaches do... and they know a hell of a lot more about football than we do.

So like I said... torn.

Our WRs run a lot of routes at the wrong depth. They also make a lot of misreads. And they don't win 50/50 balls enough. I also don't like the passing concepts we use to attack defenses. And the misuse of WRs skill sets.

Ex: North ran a shallow route and gets blown up versus Florida. But Smith runs the wheel route and can't go to make a play on a high but catchable ball. Big WRs should be used like they are big WRs. Smaller guys should be used as such.

Why is Pearson not being used in the mid range to take advantage of his route running and sure hands.

The lack of creativeness to involve Wolf is crazy to me as well. He would literally blow most coverages wide open.

Why do we 9/10 run a dive play right after a first down? That's the worst part of our offense. That play never works and we're practically conceding a down.

I find it funny that coaches design plays to get Kamara involved but not North who gave Butch his biggest win to date.

Now not having a healthy Croom and North hurt us. Those two actually run routes right and play big when given the opportunity.

 

[OGbabyaviVol]

It really doesn't matter. Kirk still only had 2 total TD's while Berry had 3. Berry had a 38 yard average while Kirk had a 17.4 yard average on kickoffs. Kirk had his 2 TD's on punts. Unless you weight punt returns more than kickoff returns, that is a joke that Berry didn't get first or even second team.

That's ok...just keep disrespecting our boys and adding fuel to their fire. Opponents will pay the price, starting with Northwestern.

 

[DD4ME]

I want to say that I saw that he is going to VTech with Fuente.

We won't target him and he has strong roots with Fuente but overall young solid guy. Hard to argue the production.

 

[The Breakerboy]

It really doesn't matter. Kirk still only had 2 total TD's while Berry had 3. Berry had a 38 yard average while Kirk had a 17.4 yard average on kickoffs. Kirk had his 2 TD's on punts. Unless you weight punt returns more than kickoff returns, that is a joke that Berry didn't get first or even second team.

Berry is better at returning kicks than Kirk is at Punt returns. Not even an argument. Hell Sutton is as good or better than Kirk. Kamara is as good as Kirk as well. That's just BS......

 

[VolinArizona]

Nice backtrack in approach


You were the first poster that suggested a Lower level OC job which was the entire point here. You Might want to go back and edit a post or 2 since you are now backtracking

Lol

Dude what? No I didn't. I think you might need to see a neurologist.

 

[DD4ME]

Our WRs run a lot of routes at the wrong depth. They also make a lot of misreads. And they don't win 50/50 balls enough. I also don't like the passing concepts we use to attack defenses. And the misuse of WRs skill sets.

Ex: North ran a shallow route and gets blown up versus Florida. But Smith runs the wheel route and can't go to make a play on a high but catchable ball. Big WRs should be used like they are big WRs. Smaller guys should be used as such.

Why is Pearson not being used in the mid range to take advantage of his route running and sure hands.

The lack of creativeness to involve Wolf is crazy to me as well. He would literally blow most coverages wide open.

Why do we 9/10 run a dive play right after a first down? That's the worst part of our offense. That play never works and we're practically conceding a down.

I find it funny that coaches design plays to get Kamara involved but not North who gave Butch his biggest win to date.

Now not having a healthy Croom and North hurt us. Those two actually run routes right and play big when given the opportunity.

As passing game coordinator Azzani should at least be vocal about these issues. Is he to blame, ignored, or silent? Reasonable questions.

 

[engineerVOL]

OMG this Purple Vandy writer wrote an article about what he learned from Tennessee fans on Twitter yesterday. I love it. There's so much contextual error it's hilarious.

Here's what I learned about Tennessee from its fans on Twitter - Inside NU

#PurpleVandy

 

[VolGee4]

I am not on twitter, but I think someone should respectfully ask the appropriate people the thought-process on leaving out Berry. I saw that Bleacher Report didn't even put him as first team all-conference. I think they used Kirk's offensive stats to bolster him.

I was also a little surprised that I didn't see JRM's name. Heck, Gary Danielson said one game that he may be the best defender in the conference. JRM had 99 tackles and 5 sacks. I know they play different schemes, but Ragland had 90 and 2.5 and Jenkins had 56 and 4. Not going to bother arguing against Brothers because he was a machine.

 

[The Breakerboy]

As passing game coordinator Azzani should at least be vocal about these issues. Is he to blame, ignored, or silent? Reasonable questions.

I was on Azzani's side until Butch took over WR coaching and Malone started to play tougher immediately. He's a fail in almost every department except recruiting and WR blocking.