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DaddyChad said:
Hey it works for Switzerland, who by the way has the lowest violent crime rate in the world per capita. Males between the age of 20 to 30 are required to own a weapon and undergo annual training with it.
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Switzerland has a very small army and the requirements for gun training during those ages are for militia reasons. As if the country were to be invaded. And the population is smaller than New York City. So that's fine and understandable as to why there's such a low crime rate. Can't really compare to the US where there's about 320 million people.
 
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74volz said:
What are you talking about? Those snippets all came
from The Armed Citizen. A NRA magazine. That's why I dismissed it. But I guess that's where all the truth in America is coming from, a NRA magazine, right? The point is there's propaganda everywhere. Just have to choose what to believe in.

I came in for a fair discussion. It turned into don't infringe on my gun rights. Was never infringing. Was hoping to discuss a solution to stop mass killings in this country and got really nothing except don't take my guns away. And rely on citizens with guns to stop the mass killings from happening. That's definitely not the answer, too. That's like Carson saying if the Jews had guns they could've stopped the Nazis. And he was serious. Or when Trump said if the French were armed those mass killings wouldn't have happened. So I guess carry your guns to a Xmas party this year and expect the worse like in San Bernadino or grade school teachers should've been armed when psycho boy killed a bunch of kids. It's an epidemic. A very sad one. But again, don't worry 1 in 3 people in America has guns and nobody is taking them away. The 2nd amendment is not being tampered with to ruin gun owners. I'm not against responsible gun owners. The middle ground to find an answer to this epidemic very difficult.
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See, that's where I'm confused though. The stories are pulled from publications across the country, again, Liberal and Conservative leaning to show instances of a citizen using their 2nd amendment right to defend themselves/a loved one. InVOLuntary posted about 7. A 5 second Google search will bring up hundreds of stories that have nothing to do with the NRA. I'm curious, do you think all these stories are made up or embellished?
 
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If saving lives is the mission then why don't we start in some areas that don't interfere with a specifically enumerated and original constitutional right? For instance CAFE standards. Are you all aware that in an attempt to limit fuel consumption likely for the global warming/climate change agenda that CAFE standards have become so strict that car manufactures are forced to meet the requirements by building lighter and smaller vehicles? The laws of physics dictates that the despite air bags and modern safety features people are dying in car accidents in these lighter vehicles who would have most likely lived in heavier vehicles of the recent past. The government is more than willing to accept those deaths.

"How many deaths have resulted? Depending on which study you choose, the total ranges from 41,600 to 124,800. To that figure we can add between 352,000 and 624,000 people suffering serious injuries, including being crippled for life."

American Thinker
 
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BigOrange15 said:
See, that's where I'm confused though. The stories are pulled from publications across the country, again, Liberal and Conservative leaning to show instances of a citizen using their 2nd amendment right to defend themselves/a loved one. InVOLuntary posted about 7. A 5 second Google search will bring up hundreds of stories that have nothing to do with the NRA. I'm curious, do you think all these stories are made up or embellished?
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He asks questions as if he is attempting to understand an issue better, but really has no desire to do so. It's his method of debating. It's disingenuous and a total waste of time. I could have told him the true story of my cousin's husband shooting and killing a drugged Cuban (one of three) "refugee" that in the middle of the day yanked my cousin out of their car at a stoplight in Miami and held her against her will. But that would not fit his agenda. One less scumbag on earth, however. The other two decided they didn't want any of that and took off.
 
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BigOrange15 said:
See, that's where I'm confused though. The stories are pulled from publications across the country, again, Liberal and Conservative leaning to show instances of a citizen using their 2nd amendment right to defend themselves/a loved one. InVOLuntary posted about 7. A 5 second Google search will bring up hundreds of stories that have nothing to do with the NRA. I'm curious, do you think all these stories are made up or embellished?
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Well that's where I'm confused. If you look back over this discussion, it was said repeatedly that all liberal news source was garbage, propaganda etc.. Then I was told to look up the NRA magazine to find the real truth of what's going on in America. Then dude cites 7 stories that were supposedly liberal from a NRA magazine. That didn't make any sense to me. The NRA is completely anti liberal. I read them and took it with a grain of salt. Of course I could find some stories on Google. Just thought it was odd to cite stuff from a NRA magazine. Use different sources to get a point across, that's all. No, not all stories are made up about some guy/girl shooting back to protect themselves. We have more guns and gun violence than any other country in the world so that's going to happen. Good for those people that saved some people. Don't have a problem with that. Never said I did. And once again I don't have a problem with responsible gun owners in this country. I do think it sucks that there's way too many guns here and way too easy to get access to them. Sadly, it's just the way it is and more violence will continue.

And maybe you gun carriers will get to kill more of those posing a threat, save lives, be the hero. By all means go for it. Seems like Vols4us really wants to kill off some scumbags anyway. You gotta gun, fire away.
 
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74volz said:
Well that's where I'm confused. If you look back over this discussion, it was said repeatedly that all liberal news source was garbage, propaganda etc.. Then I was told to look up the NRA magazine to find the real truth of what's going on in America. Then dude cites 7 stories that were supposedly liberal from a NRA magazine. That didn't make any sense to me. The NRA is completely anti liberal. I read them and took it with a grain of salt. Of course I could find some stories on Google. Just thought it was odd to cite stuff from a NRA magazine. Use different sources to get a point across, that's all. No, not all stories are made up about some guy/girl shooting back to protect themselves. We have more guns and gun violence than any other country in the world so that's going to happen. Good for those people that saved some people. Don't have a problem with that. Never said I did. And once again I don't have a problem with responsible gun owners in this country. I do think it sucks that there's way too many guns here and way too easy to get access to them. Sadly, it's just the way it is and more violence will continue.

And maybe you gun carriers will get to kill more of those posing a threat, save lives, be the hero. By all means go for it. Seems like Vols4us really wants to kill off some scumbags anyway. You gotta gun, fire away.
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Are you dense?! The articles in the NRA magazine were pulled FROM ACTUAL NEWPAPERS etc, not written and published by the NRA. I'm not even following this discussion but even I was able to realize that fact.
 
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ionaVOL said:
Are you dense?! The articles in the NRA magazine were pulled FROM ACTUAL NEWPAPERS etc, not written and published by the NRA. I'm not even following this discussion but even I was able to realize that fact.
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He knows that, he's just being deliberatly dense.
 
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ionaVOL said:
Are you dense?! The articles in the NRA magazine were pulled FROM ACTUAL NEWPAPERS etc, not written and published by the NRA. I'm not even following this discussion but even I was able to realize that fact.
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They're all from The Armed Citizen magazine. Use another source to prove a point. Pretty simple.
 
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The Armed Citizen IS in fact using other sources.

Just because they printed in their magazine doesn't make it less true.
 
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A few days ago we discussed if they would find who sold the ARs to the terroist. They did find the man a former a neighbor. He checked himself into a mental hospital the day after the shootings. Rough spot for him.
 
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It would be nice to have a real fair and balanced news source without an agenda. Those sources you say you follow 74, are slanted left just as bad or worse, than Fox and such like are to the right.
 
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My fear is that as these sources continue driving wedges deeper into society. Paranoia and disenfranchisement is going to create a more and more violent divide between Blue and Red. When a massive bloc of the nation starts truly believing they are being marginalized with no real power or say in their rule. Society will break down, and civil strife even war will follow. If we are to stop it, we have to find common ground.
 
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74volz said:
Thanks Skullbone. I mentioned earlier how I got news from the Washington post, New York Times, yahoo, etc... and was told majority of those sources are liberal and not worthy for good information. Interesting article from a bad liberal news source, right. Good for those guys protecting.
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Well, to be fair the majority of those sources are very liberal. I'm actually quite surprised to find a story like this one printed by them. They usually just simply exclude this stuff altogether in the editing department. If stats are what you're interested in I suggest reading John Lott's work. He's a clear pro gun person, but his data is solid. It's all reviewable.
 
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Ulysees E. McGill said:
My fear is that as these sources continue driving wedges deeper into society. Paranoia and disenfranchisement is going to create a more and more violent divide between Blue and Red. When a massive bloc of the nation starts truly believing they are being marginalized with no real power or say in their rule. Society will break down, and civil strife even war will follow. If we are to stop it, we have to find common ground.
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Individual liberty must be that common ground. People need to understand that they are better free than free from responsibility. Free men create their own destiny. Subjects get whatever destiny the masterminds assign to them. Most people don't like being told what to do, yet we have a large chunk of society who unwittingly vote and advocate for just that. The benevolence of centralized government is severely taken for granted now days.
 
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Ulysees E. McGill said:
My fear is that as these sources continue driving wedges deeper into society. Paranoia and disenfranchisement is going to create a more and more violent divide between Blue and Red. When a massive bloc of the nation starts truly believing they are being marginalized with no real power or say in their rule. Society will break down, and civil strife even war will follow. If we are to stop it, we have to find common ground.
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That's exactly what I'd like to find is a common ground. I agree with what you're saying. I hope that it can happen much sooner than later. It's very difficult to reach that on so many topics. If emotions can be controlled, accepting fault or being wrong, being more open to other perspectives could help to move forward toward a more common ground.

I know I've got to work on that with the right wing topics I may not agree with. To understand a different point of view for the greater good. It's tough, hard to let go or compromise with your beliefs. It's a learning process. But it's worth diving into for discussions. Definitely getting the practice on this board. I'd say I'm still in my red shirt first season.
 
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Skullbone said:
Well, to be fair the majority of those sources are very liberal. I'm actually quite surprised to find a story like this one printed by them. They usually just simply exclude this stuff altogether in the editing department. If stats are what you're interested in I suggest reading John Lott's work. He's a clear pro gun person, but his data is solid. It's all reviewable.
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I get it. It goes both ways. I'm sure there's a lot topics I read that just gets brushed over/edited out on the right side. I need to take the time and read up on the material that's been suggested. To put aside my views and to gain some knowledge for a better overall understanding. May take a little while, but something I should do. Thanks for the info.
 
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I have two younger brothers who are as far as east is from west to each other politically. I am a centrist, not because I can't pick a side, but because each side has beliefs I agree with. The issue of gun control is a prickly one because most gun owners believe that if they give an inch, the liberal government will take a 1000 miles. The problem is the extremists who don't want common sense gun control, they want eradication. The moderates of both sides need to disavow the extremists for common sense to rule. Unfortunately for all of us, political posturing makes that almost impossible to really happen.
 
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So less than 24hr after our president says the shooting wasn't connected to anything from the outside, we learn there was a 25k deposit wired into his bank account 3weeks ago and he withdrew 10k in cash.

How on earth does POTUS not have access to that before opening his big mouth again and proven to be fooling like so many other times?
 
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BruinVol said:
So less than 24hr after our president says the shooting wasn't connected to anything from the outside, we learn there was a 25k deposit wired into his bank account 3weeks ago and he withdrew 10k in cash.

How on earth does POTUS not have access to that before opening his big mouth again and proven to be fooling like so many other times?
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He is pretty much clueless. The biggest thing he sees is this is another chance for him to advance his gun control initiatives.
 
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Skullbone said:
Individual liberty must be that common ground. People need to understand that they are better free than free from responsibility. Free men create their own destiny. Subjects get whatever destiny the masterminds assign to them. Most people don't like being told what to do, yet we have a large chunk of society who unwittingly vote and advocate for just that. The benevolence of centralized government is severely taken for granted now days.
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I wish I could like this more than once.
 
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