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Here's one from the Dayton Daily News. Too conservative for you?
 

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Here's one from the conservative stronghold of Chicago and the conservative rag, Chicago Sun Times.
 

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And another from the Republican lair of Ontario California.
 

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InVOLuntary said:
So all those storiesfrom newspapers from around the country, many of which are from liberal publications are all garbage, fabricated stories? Now maybe you can understand why you're not taken seriously here.

There is no reason for me to calm down. I'm about as relaxed as one can get lol.

As to the aquiring firearms through legal means, what more would you have than mandatory background checks. Admission to a psych ward for evaluation? You people make me laugh. You're ok with trampling over others rights ad long as it doesn't effect you. More people are killed by drunk drivers than guns, why don't we make everyone who drinks to be registered?
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No, you're not getting it. Your NRA news source is just as fabricated. I read it and laughed. Like you read liberal news that's overwhelming everywhere and you laugh. That was the point. So it seems we both can't take each seriously. Which I really don't care.

I'm not infringing on your rights to get your guns. You have them already. Nobody is coming to get them. You're responsible with them. That doesn't bother me. The compromises and background checks are really no big deal on your rights. Seems pretty basic, so why complain. I asked what the NRA is doing to prevent people from getting guns that shouldn't have them. No answer.

The numbers aren't nearly as clear-cut. But there are about 75,000 alcohol related deaths per year, but only about 10,000 of those are drunk driving and similar accidents that directly harm other people.

Guns, on the other hand, kill about 30,000 Americans per year, but most of those are suicides. Gun based homicides and accidents are around 11,000 per year.

Pretty even and not much to argue on that. It all goes back to the same thing. Being responsible with guns. Like being responsible too, while drinking.
 
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74volz said:
No, you're not getting it. Your NRA news source is just as fabricated. I read it and laughed. Like you read liberal news that's overwhelming everywhere and you laugh. That was the point. So it seems we both can't take each seriously. Which I really don't care.

I'm not infringing on your rights to get your guns. You have them already. Nobody is coming to get them. You're responsible with them. That doesn't bother me. The compromises and background checks are really no big deal on your rights. Seems pretty basic, so why complain. I asked what the NRA is doing to prevent people from getting guns that shouldn't have them. No answer.

The numbers aren't nearly as clear-cut. But there are about 75,000 alcohol related deaths per year, but only about 10,000 of those are drunk driving and similar accidents that directly harm other people.

Guns, on the other hand, kill about 30,000 Americans per year, but most of those are suicides. Gun based homicides and accidents are around 11,000 per year.

Pretty even and not much to argue on that. It all goes back to the same thing. Being responsible with guns. Like being responsible too, while drinking.
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So all the articles I posted are NRA propaganda? Mmmk.

Also, it's not the NRA's responsibility to keep guns out of criminals hands, it's the governments. It's the NRA's responsibility to protect the rights of responsible gun owners. Until you can show me how passing additional laws that criminals ignore as they do now will help without infringing on my rights there's no point in furthering this discussion. The goals of your liberal gun control associates is total confiscation of guns.

Edit: and since you discount my sources, dispute mine being from various, non-conservitive sources, I say your data is left-wing communist propaganda.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
So all the articles I posted are NRA propaganda? Mmmk.

Also, it's not the NRA's responsibility to keep guns out of criminals hands, it's the governments. It's the NRA's responsibility to protect the rights of responsible gun owners. Until you can show me how passing additional laws that criminals ignore as they do now will help without infringing on my rights there's no point in furthering this discussion. The goals of your liberal gun control associates is total confiscation of guns.

Edit: and since you discount my sources, dispute mine being from various, non-conservitive sources, I say your data is left-wing communist propaganda.
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I know that the NRA lobbies millions and millions to the Republican Party to protect your gun rights. It's always been that way and will always be. I'm not trying to stop it. You're gun rights are not being infringed upon in a horrible way because of how the NRA protects that. Stop complaining about that. Passing additional laws? No idea? Whatever I say, would never be enough middle ground to agree on. Criminals always ignore the law, it's why they're criminals. They will always get their guns and drugs in this country no matter what. But again it's not really affecting you that they are.

Since you got some of your data from a non conservative site, do you really trust it? Thought you said you didn't?

I trusted my data I got and showed that drunk drivers killing someone and homicides a year are about even. Big whoop.

Yes. I'm burnt out with this discussion. I don't care that you have your guns. You obviously need them with the threats you've received. Good luck with that.

I'm done and not replying anymore. Pretty good discussion with the results I kinda figured. We're going to a bowl Jan.1 and I think that's the only thing we can agree on that we're happy about.

Later...
 
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Why exactly does the left hate the gun shows so much?


Guns purchased at those do indeed require a background check. I don't understand the difference between gun shows and gun stores
 
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They hate guns shows with background checks of American citizens when the second amendment protects our rights - yet - they think nothing of inviting people from war torn countries to enter the country as refugees or on Visas with nothing but a fingerprint check from sources in a Islamic dominated country. That's not dumb and its really not stupid. It is intentional and the majority of Americans are on to them. Which leads to more lies to cover up the lies that they can't cover up.
 
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OK Name the rule , law something that says "The Government is coming for your gun " WHERE IS IT . I am tired of the NRA selling more guns every time a massacre happens .
 
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beachbums624 said:
OK Name the rule , law something that says "The Government is coming for your gun " WHERE IS IT . I am tired of the NRA selling more guns every time a massacre happens .
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Did you happen to watch the presidential address? Obama has sold more guns than anyone in the last 30 years.
 
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Might as well be talking to a brick wall!! No worries, libs can keep and rely on their news outlets, I'll rely on my .45 on my hip!
 
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So...let me get this straight. InVOLuntary posts news articles from different publications (Conservative and Liberal) to be fair to the argument and 74volz dismisses them as NRA propaganda despite the fact that they are literally pulled word for word from news articles put out by legitimate and respected publications? That's pretty sad, man. It's pretty disingenuous to your position to sit there with your fingers in your ears while literally staring at proof. It just goes to show that you were never here to have a fair discussion or challenge your own viewpoint. There is no shame in accepting a truth and allowing it to mold your views.
 
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74volz said:
Oh. So would y'all be happier if everyone could freely carry guns around anywhere like in the old west?

Those compromises don't sound too bad. Could be a lot worse. Like limitations on how many guns to own, maybe bullet pricing was outrageous and barely affordable, or owning one gun only. Just guessing.

If I was an gun advocate, I guess it'd upset me some. But you have your guns and doesn't sound too bad. Thanks for the info.
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Hey it works for Switzerland, who by the way has the lowest violent crime rate in the world per capita. Males between the age of 20 to 30 are required to own a weapon and undergo annual training with it.
 
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BigOrange15 said:
So...let me get this straight. InVOLuntary posts news articles from different publications (Conservative and Liberal) to be fair to the argument and 74volz dismisses them as NRA propaganda despite the fact that they are literally pulled word for word from news articles put out by legitimate and respected publications? That's pretty sad, man. It's pretty disingenuous to your position to sit there with your fingers in your ears while literally staring at proof. It just goes to show that you were never here to have a fair discussion or challenge your own viewpoint. There is no shame in accepting a truth and allowing it to mold your views.
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What are you talking about? Those snippets all came
from The Armed Citizen. A NRA magazine. That's why I dismissed it. But I guess that's where all the truth in America is coming from, a NRA magazine, right? The point is there's propaganda everywhere. Just have to choose what to believe in.

I came in for a fair discussion. It turned into don't infringe on my gun rights. Was never infringing. Was hoping to discuss a solution to stop mass killings in this country and got really nothing except don't take my guns away. And rely on citizens with guns to stop the mass killings from happening. That's definitely not the answer, too. That's like Carson saying if the Jews had guns they could've stopped the Nazis. And he was serious. Or when Trump said if the French were armed those mass killings wouldn't have happened. So I guess carry your guns to a Xmas party this year and expect the worse like in San Bernadino or grade school teachers should've been armed when psycho boy killed a bunch of kids. It's an epidemic. A very sad one. But again, don't worry 1 in 3 people in America has guns and nobody is taking them away. The 2nd amendment is not being tampered with to ruin gun owners. I'm not against responsible gun owners. The middle ground to find an answer to this epidemic very difficult.
 
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