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ReaderVol said:
LOL man you want to throw Steve Kangas at me and want me to take you serious?
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That's what I'd say too if I were trying to avoid being exposed as not understanding the ideology's and how they relate (or in this case don't.)

You've tried to pigeon hole American liberalism as sharing the same ideology's as Nazi's and you provided a list. I offered objective facts that refute your position and a subjective argument why your "name game" argument on why the root of term Nazi is as ridiculous as that of the DPRK.
 
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ReaderVol said:
You really are funny. Bless your heart. You obviously cannot understand the debate. Have a nice day.
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I plan on having a great day , well it's evening now. Go do some research, educated yourself on the subject, bring some substance back to the debate. You might be able to make a valid point if you carefully follow the above instructions I have laid out for you. :hi:
 
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Septic said:
You've dismissed the source without refuting the content, congrats. It's an easy trap to fall in to, I understand.

Let me ask you directly, do you know the difference between a fascist, a socialist or a communist?
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A what and a what and a whaaaat?
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Are we still discussing whether or not fascism is left wing?

How many times does it have to be explained that fascism fits within the context of European politics, which is completely different from the American context?

Placing our contemporary American models of political thought on to European ones, especially European ones from nearly a century ago, is like trying to use a political map of today's Middle East to make sense out of the 8th Century Ummayyad caliphate's imperial maneuvers.

Fascism is a reactionary ideology, rooted in Volkist theories, that seeks to revert society to a period (admittedly romanticized) in European pagan (and even early Christian history) when the individual was synonymous with the state, or, more specifically, the folk. If you see similarities between this desire and socialism, then that's fine, but the two are not necessarily the same, nor should they be conflated.

Should you persist in erroneously conflating the two, you may as well call American libertarians and conservatives alike "left-wingers" then if you're going to go that route. The only reason why such positions are considered "conservative" here is because those are the positions we started with as a nation.
 
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Here's a nice, handy chart to help conceptualize each. Are their similarities? Sure, but I'd hardly try to conflate the two with one another.

Communism vs Fascism - Difference and Comparison | Diffen

EDIT: The most important thing to keep in mind when comparing the two, since they do admittedly share seemingly analogous aims and desires, is that fascism is "right" and "reactionary" because it's seeking to take what it thinks of ideal models of social organization from the pre-democratic, pre-liberal European past and harmonizing it with contemporary technological gains and advances. You might think of fascism best as an ancient pagan hierarchical state, with a flare for machines and computers. In retrospect, the 1930s were the perfect time for its inception. It almost makes too much sense it arising as it did now looking back.
 
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Septic said:
Yikes.

We're done.

:hi:
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That's fine with me. I fully understand them. And no sir I didn't say the SAME philosophies. I asked which is closer. And pointed out that one running for POTUS is a self proclaimed socialist. I stated that Nazi's have a beginning in socialism and OC actually bothered to post some of the tenets yet you blindly refuted their OWN WORDS.
I could type a TON on the differences but I don't think it would matter to you. So good day sir as you will have simple minded people that will believe you and the likes of Kangas.
 
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volprof said:
Here's a nice, handy chart to help conceptualize each. Are their similarities? Sure, but I'd hardly try to conflate the two with one another.

Communism vs Fascism - Difference and Comparison | Diffen
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The debate was not between those 2. It was if Naziism is socialism or not. They have a 25 point platform that absolutely shows it is and Nazi is German for national socialism. The media and some College professors have tried to make the ignorant public think that Nazi and Communism are right wing. The facts show that of the 2 major parties in America the Dems are (now listen close septic and Gramps) more closely aligned with them. However in the media all terrorists and extremists are referred to as "Right wing" with the intent on fooling the ignorant public (see gramps) into connecting the Republican party to those groups.
 
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ReaderVol said:
The debate was not between those 2. It was if Naziism is socialism or not. They have a 25 point platform that absolutely shows it is and Nazi is German for national socialism. The media and some College professors have tried to make the ignorant public think that Nazi and Communism are right wing. The facts show that of the 2 major parties in America the Dems are (now listen close septic and Gramps) more closely aligned with them. However in the media all terrorists and extremists are referred to as "Right wing" with the intent on fooling the ignorant public (see gramps) into connecting the Republican party to those groups.
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I don't know what you see when you look at them, but when I look at today's mainstream American Republican party, I see a group that sounds more like the fascists on that chart than do today's American Democrats. Mainstream American Republicans today are so far from traditional American conservatism (traditional European liberalism) it's almost a joke.

And who is saying that communism was far right? Professors? Who? Dr. Nutty McNutterhead of Nutball State Community College in Bumfornicate, Wyoming?
 
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volprof said:
I don't know what you see when you look at them, but when I look at today's mainstream American Republican party, I see a group that sounds more like the fascists on that chart than do today's American Democrats. Mainstream American Republicans today are so far from traditional American conservatism (traditional European liberalism) it's almost a joke.

And who is saying that communism was far right? Professors? Who? Dr. Nutty McNutterhead of Nutball State Community College in Bumfornicate, Wyoming?
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I have to say I'm shocked. Shocked I tell you that you a Prof would be part of the "repubs" look like fascist group.
For the record I'm not a republican or democrat. However I am a conservative in the line of an Edmund Burke meets Ronald Reagan with a little bit of Ayn Rand mixed in.
 
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ReaderVol said:
I have to say I'm shocked. Shocked I tell you that you a Prof would be part of the "repubs" look like fascist group.
For the record I'm not a republican or democrat. However I am a conservative in the line of an Edmund Burke meets Ronald Reagan with a little bit of Ayn Rand mixed in.
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I've read quite a few of your posts since you entered this forum last week. You should stop making so many assumptions and generalizations.

And yes, today's Republican party. Its idea of conservatism is so bogus it's ridiculous. Against big government, my butthole. They're right there with the Democrats in lording it over us.
 
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volprof said:
I've read quite a few of your posts since you entered this forum last week. You should stop making so many assumptions and generalizations.

And yes, today's Republican party. Its idea of conservatism is so bogus it's ridiculous. Against big government, my butthole. They're right there with the Democrats in lording it over us.
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They are birds of a feather. This is what's tearing the Republican Party apart, people are sick of Dem lights masquerading as conservatives.
 
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volprof said:
I've read quite a few of your posts since you entered this forum last week. You should stop making so many assumptions and generalizations.

And yes, today's Republican party. Its idea of conservatism is so bogus it's ridiculous. Against big government, my butthole. They're right there with the Democrats in lording it over us.
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I won't argue that about the republican party at all. Especially the neocons.

Now to your statement that the modern Repub party looks fascist?
This is from the link that you provided. So show us what part looks like the R's.

The state must gain glory through constant conquest and war. The past was glorious, and that the State can be renewed. The individual has no value outside of his or her role in promoting the glory of the State. Philosophies varied by country.
Union between businesses and the State, with the state telling the business what to do, with nominally private ownership. Corporatism in Italy, National Socialism in Germany. Central planning of National economy. Redistribution of wealth (Nazi).
Actual idealism, centralized government, social Darwinism, planned economy, anti-democratic, meritocratic, extreme nationalism, militarism, racism (Nazism). Traditional and/or exaggerated gender roles. One party system."
 
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hog88 said:
They are birds of a feather. This is what's tearing the Republican Party apart, people are sick of Dem lights masquerading as conservatives.
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I'm sick of politicians masquerading as humans.
 
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Septic said:
If I've come of "very liberal" to you, you must be one who has a with us or us against us mentality with no ability to see shades of gray and I'm sad for you. You've also not been paying attention.Not blaming Obama for everything bad in the world only makes one an Obama apologist in a myopic, black and white worldview.

That I poke fun at the hypocrisy and mild (to moderate) retardation of some of the things that are said on this forum is statistically going to fall on the side of being "against" the conservative. People here say dumb $hit and I think it's funny to stir the pot. Trolling for the 'Obama's Fault!" dimwits, hooking them and watching their heads explode is a character fault and I admit that.

I'd challenge anyone to go into my history and find where I've argued for anything remotely politically liberal save being pro choice and pro gay marriage (which is a libertarian stance for me).
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I've always thought you were extremely liberal. Jmo from reading your posts
 
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Septic said:
Here's my post history, by all means try and find anything "very liberal", "extremely liberal" or pro Obama.

http://www.volnation.com/forum/search.php?searchid=10359415

I think many of you have confused my calling attention to posted BS with being the political enemy, who according to the posters here - must be liberal.
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It was more an observation that you typically disagree with nearly 100% of conservative ideas/posts.
 
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ajvol01 said:
It was more an observation that you typically disagree with nearly 100% of conservative ideas/posts.
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Curious, does not agreeing with 100% of conservative ideas/posts mean someone is an "extreme liberal"? I'm a white business owner that will pay north of 37% in taxes this year, I assure you that I am not liberal when it comes to fiscal responsibility. I think the government over reach and regulation is the biggest problem with government and I believe Obama's biggest failures are in and continue to be in foreign policy.

Frankly, If i disagreed with 100% of the conservative posts here, it'd be the equivalent of a ddos attack and Freak would likely ban my subnet.

I think too many people here are too caught up in a with us or against us mentality, it's dumb.
 
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