Butch says it takes 6 to 7 years to build a program in the SEC

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butchna said:
Just to be clear, this "we" junk you're always spouting off about? Is this collective "we" the true Vol fan contingent that you (of course) have appointed yourself leader of? So I'd surmise that the "tell"ers are the subversives spreading disinformation and nefariously lowering expectations to the team's detriment? Nice inclusive statement that breeds open discussion there Chief! Us'ns against them'ums! :hi:
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Exactly. His garbage is so old and tiring. But since he essentially says the same thing over and over and over, my guess is that Cut and Paste is his best and most likely only friend.
 
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Thunndarr said:
If it's an apples to apples comparison, sure, show some examples. If it's a case where a coach takes over a stacked roster and has immediate success, then no thanks.
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Virtually no new coach takes over a team with a stacked roster after the previous coach has been fired due to failure. McElwain certainly didn't this past year at Florida for one example. And the point isn't about "immediate success". Jones is in year 3, and is arguing that it should take him til year 6 or 7 to complete the rebuild.....nothing "immediate" about either timeframe.
 
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KBVol said:
Virtually no new coach takes over a team with a stacked roster after the previous coach has been fired due to failure. McElwain certainly didn't this past year at Florida for one example. And the point isn't about "immediate success". Jones is in year 3, and is arguing that it should take him til year 6 or 7 to complete the rebuild.....nothing "immediate" about either timeframe.
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Wrong yet again. He NEVER argued it would take 6-7 years. He said someone told him that. It's called context. And yet once again you and your ilk took a statement out of context and blew it way out of proportion in order to fit your agenda. Very pathetic IMO
 
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catchnburn said:
Bump (didn't want to start a new thread.....SIAP)

Frank Beamer Stats:

First 6 years at VT (24-40-2)
Last 23 years at VT (211-80-2)

235-120-2

Pretty much backs up Butchs claim (although it isn't the SEC) "No one would survive those first six years in today's climate" - ESPN

Anyone else see this stat on the GT/VT broadcast tonight? Thought it was interesting.
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Coaches weren't getting paid multi-millions 30 years ago.
 
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sjt18 said:
Notably, Fulmer won 10+ games in 3 of his first 4 full seasons and didn't finish with less than 8 wins. Tuberville won 5, 9, 7, 9, and 8 before going 13-0 at Auburn. Jones is well behind Fulmer's curve and still behind Tuberville's as well.
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he didn't exactly have a bare cupboard when he got the reigns. terrible comparison. also, 1993, he had Heath Shuller as qB, and in 94, had Peyton Manning and Brandon what'shisname coming in to the program. what CBJ took over was more comparable to what Johnny Majors took over.
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Wrong yet again. He NEVER argued it would take 6-7 years. He said someone told him that. It's called context. And yet once again you and your ilk took a statement out of context and blew it way out of proportion in order to fit your agenda. Very pathetic IMO
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well this is kind of wrong too.

the original context of the 6-7 years was in regards to a conversation he and "someone else" were having where they were told it could take 6-7 years to build a roster that truly had the competitive depth needed to sustain success long term.

no where in that whole conversation did he or anyone else say it would take 6-7 years before we'd be good.:mf_surrender:
 
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jakez4ut said:
he didn't exactly have a bare cupboard when he got the reigns. terrible comparison. also, 1993, he had Heath Shuller as qB, and in 94, had Peyton Manning and Brandon what'shisname coming in to the program. what CBJ took over was more comparable to what Johnny Majors took over.


well this is kind of wrong too.

the original context of the 6-7 years was in regards to a conversation he and "someone else" were having where they were told it could take 6-7 years to build a roster that truly had the competitive depth needed to sustain success long term.

no where in that whole conversation did he or anyone else say it would take 6-7 years before we'd be good.:mf_surrender:
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He was talking with Bob Kesling and they were discussing building a program up and using red shirts etc. In that context he state that he was "told" by someone it takes 6-7 years to get all the upperclassmen and red shirt depth. But KB and his legion of miserables did what they do best and exaggerate and take out of context to fit their agenda.
 
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ReaderVol said:
He was talking with Bob Kesling and they ere discussing building a program up and using red shirts etc. In that context he state that he was "told" by someone it take 6i7 years to get all the upperclassmen and red shirt depth. But KB and his legion og miserables did what they do best and exaggerate and take out of context to fit their agenda.
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well, i'll only say this...i listened to it on vol calls. and i understand the context, and i actually agree with this assessment.

but my gut reaction when he said 6-7 years...was "oh no, he didn't just say that?".
 
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saban and meyer won national titles in their second year, after inheriting some good, but not great talent. What gives??
 
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jakez4ut said:
well, i'll only say this...i listened to it on vol calls. and i understand the context, and i actually agree with this assessment.

but my gut reaction when he said 6-7 years...was "oh no, he didn't just say that?".
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The fact that our coach can't have a normal conversation without having to be careful because his words WILL be taken out of context speaks volumes about some of our "fans". It's really sad.
 
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jakez4ut said:
he didn't exactly have a bare cupboard when he got the reigns. terrible comparison. also, 1993, he had Heath Shuller as qB, and in 94, had Peyton Manning and Brandon what'shisname coming in to the program. what CBJ took over was more comparable to what Johnny Majors took over.


well this is kind of wrong too.

the original context of the 6-7 years was in regards to a conversation he and "someone else" were having where they were told it could take 6-7 years to build a roster that truly had the competitive depth needed to sustain success long term.

no where in that whole conversation did he or anyone else say it would take 6-7 years before we'd be good.:mf_surrender:
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By him referencing the "someone told me it takes 6 to 7 years to build an SEC program" comment, he was essentially saying that's how long he should be given before being judged, before Tennessee fans should see our expectations of a championship level team fulfilled.
 
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butchna said:
Just to be clear, this "we" junk you're always spouting off about? Is this collective "we" the true Vol fan contingent that you (of course) have appointed yourself leader of? So I'd surmise that the "tell"ers are the subversives spreading disinformation and nefariously lowering expectations to the team's detriment? Nice inclusive statement that breeds open discussion there Chief! Us'ns against them'ums! :hi:
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My problem with him is honestly the excuses. I would appreciate it more if he put it on him. The OU and Florida games should have been won. And it wasn't due to the kids. Is he building something. Sure. I hope he does great next year. When he makes excuses and coach speak it almost sounds like he is learning on the job due to pressure which he has never been under. Do I have faith he will change that? He could. But I think he needs better coaches to help him along. Look at Fulmer, Cut, and Chavis. Perfect complement to each other. Sorry but the best staff in America hasn't made great decisions. I hope he does make it and is here but I as do others need faith that he will. Again, that includes coaching changes and winning games against Florida especially. The team next year will be stacked with the exception of a couple positions.
 
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KBVol said:
By him referencing the "someone told me it takes 6 to 7 years to build an SEC program" comment, he was essentially saying that's how long he should be given before being judged, before Tennessee fans should see our expectations of a championship level team fulfilled.
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So if someone told me robbing a bank is a way to make fast cash and I tell another person what was said to me, I'm admitting that I'm going to rob a bank?
Brilliance.
Here's a thought. Instead of assuming what a person means how about just listening to what they say. Weird thought huh? LOL
 
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knucklehead_vol said:
My problem with him is honestly the excuses. I would appreciate it more if he put it on him. The OU and Florida games should have been won. And it wasn't due to the kids. Is he building something. Sure. I hope he does great next year. When he makes excuses and coach speak it almost sounds like he is learning on the job due to pressure which he has never been under. Do I have faith he will change that? He could. But I think he needs better coaches to help him along. Look at Fulmer, Cut, and Chavis. Perfect complement to each other. Sorry but the best staff in America hasn't made great decisions. I hope he does make it and is here but I as do others need faith that he will. Again, that includes coaching changes and winning games against Florida especially. The team next year will be stacked with the exception of a couple positions.
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He took responsibility for every loss. But of course y'all can't accept it. Craziness.
 
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Is Butch Jones in his 3rd year at UT already asking fans to wait 4 more years, it does indeed sound this way, no?
What a salesman is this Jones fellow...
 
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photovol said:
Is Butch Jones in his 3rd year at UT already asking fans to wait 4 more years, it does indeed sound this way, no?
What a salesman is this Jones fellow...
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A very and I mean a VERY small percent of UT fans think that's what he said. To those of us who don't wear tin foil hats, that's not even CLOSE to what he said.
 
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KBVol said:
By him referencing the "someone told me it takes 6 to 7 years to build an SEC program" comment, he was essentially saying that's how long he should be given before being judged, before Tennessee fans should see our expectations of a championship level team fulfilled.
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i won't disagree that he wouldn't have hesitated to put that out there to go along with his preaching patience mantra. it certainly fits that agenda.

that said, the comment itself was not presented that way in the context of the question or discussion going on. it really was concerning competitive depth of a roster, and how long it takes to get a roster to the point you can sustain success over a longer period of time.

but like i said earlier, as soon as he said 6-7 years, i knew this would be the reaction. and it does align with other things he's said in the past while preaching patience.
 
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knucklehead_vol said:
My problem with him is honestly the excuses. I would appreciate it more if he put it on him. The OU and Florida games should have been won. And it wasn't due to the kids. Is he building something. Sure. I hope he does great next year. When he makes excuses and coach speak it almost sounds like he is learning on the job due to pressure which he has never been under. Do I have faith he will change that? He could. But I think he needs better coaches to help him along. Look at Fulmer, Cut, and Chavis. Perfect complement to each other. Sorry but the best staff in America hasn't made great decisions. I hope he does make it and is here but I as do others need faith that he will. Again, that includes coaching changes and winning games against Florida especially. The team next year will be stacked with the exception of a couple positions.
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:thumbsup:
 
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jakez4ut said:
i won't disagree that he wouldn't have hesitated to put that out there to go along with his preaching patience mantra. it certainly fits that agenda.

that said, the comment itself was not presented that way in the context of the question or discussion going on. it really was concerning competitive depth of a roster, and how long it takes to get a roster to the point you can sustain success over a longer period of time.

but like i said earlier, as soon as he said 6-7 years, i knew this would be the reaction. and it does align with other things he's said in the past while preaching patience.
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KB knows EXACTLY what was stated and the context. But he manipulates and takes things out of context on purpose to push his agenda. Facts only matter when he can manipulate them them to bash.
 
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ReaderVol said:
KB knows EXACTLY what was stated and the context. But he manipulates and takes things out of context on purpose to push his agenda. Facts only matter when he can manipulate them them to bash.
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reader, at some point you gotta know when to fish, or cut bait.
 
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ReaderVol said:
How is "It starts with me" not?
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it's coach speak. it sounds like a script, something he was trained to say.

i listened to Jones theo ther day when he went on his positivity rant with Hubbs.

he was off script, and it was genuine, and i thought it was good moment for him. personally, i'd like to see more of that from CBJ.

i prefer the same when dealing with accountability. the FL game in particular, it was 11 in a row for crying out loud. have some awareness about your audience. i don't want to hear "we're all responsible"...he can stop talking past that.

i want to hear some contrition, or accountability "we were right there, and i let this team down, let the fans down. we didn't get it done tonight, and we had the opportunity. we got the most out of the kids, and me and staff just didn't get it done"

anything is better than the robotic "we're all responsible, but it starts with me, BECAUSE i'm the head coach", if anything i could make the argument he's deflecting responsibility with that statement.
 
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