Butch says it takes 6 to 7 years to build a program in the SEC

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jakez4ut said:
it's coach speak. it sounds like a script, something he was trained to say.

i listened to Jones theo ther day when he went on his positivity rant with Hubbs.

he was off script, and it was genuine, and i thought it was good moment for him. personally, i'd like to see more of that from CBJ.

i prefer the same when dealing with accountability. the FL game in particular, it was 11 in a row for crying out loud. have some awareness about your audience. i don't want to hear "we're all responsible"...he can stop talking past that.

i want to hear some contrition, or accountability "we were right there, and i let this team down, let the fans down. we didn't get it done tonight, and we had the opportunity. we got the most out of the kids, and me and staff just didn't get it done"

anything is better than the robotic "we're all responsible, but it starts with me, BECAUSE i'm the head coach", if anything i could make the argument he's deflecting responsibility with that statement.
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I absolutely disagree.
 
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butchna said:
Just to be clear, this "we" junk you're always spouting off about? Is this collective "we" the true Vol fan contingent that you (of course) have appointed yourself leader of? So I'd surmise that the "tell"ers are the subversives spreading disinformation and nefariously lowering expectations to the team's detriment? Nice inclusive statement that breeds open discussion there Chief! Us'ns against them'ums! :hi:
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Typical. Avoid the point by trying to start a fight. And you do that... because you know full well that posters here HAVE kept delaying expectations which is inconvenient to your "agenda".

"We" is pretty much ALL of us who posted here at the time and DID NOT say he got a pass.
 
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ReaderVol said:
Exactly. His garbage is so old and tiring. But since he essentially says the same thing over and over and over, my guess is that Cut and Paste is his best and most likely only friend.
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No. I actually just answer the same non-sense over and over and over. That's why it seems "old" to you. If you guys keep posting your "old and tired" excuses... then don't complain when the answers start sounding old and tired.
 
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KBVol said:
By him referencing the "someone told me it takes 6 to 7 years to build an SEC program" comment, he was essentially saying that's how long he should be given before being judged, before Tennessee fans should see our expectations of a championship level team fulfilled.
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Right. If he disagreed with the point then it would have been the ideal time to say "but I think we'll get there sooner".
 
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sjt18 said:
Typical. Avoid the point by trying to start a fight. And you do that... because you know full well that posters here HAVE kept delaying expectations which is inconvenient to your "agenda".

"We" is pretty much ALL of us who posted here at the time and DID NOT say he got a pass.
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"Typical" that "you" "avoid the point" by deflecting your "agenda" by saying I have an "agenda". So "we" "keep delaying expectations"? Where's the "kept" part coming from? You were projectile vomiting this spiel BEFORE Butch's first season!...acting like this third year expectation bullcrap was perfectly reasoned...once again bull! You freaking blowhard! All under the auspice of "woe is me! I was wrong about Dooley, so my suffering gave me insight that the rest of you have no concept of". :cray: It ain't about giving Butch a pass...it's reading drivel from a weeping willow, self-described leader of men. Prattle on and on about how you're not going to "allow" such and such. KB agrees with a lot of your opinions...how come I don't get that officious odor from him when he does? You can't turn it off. You're a know it all that needs validation...you ain't getting it. :hi:
 
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butchna said:
"Typical" that "you" "avoid the point" by deflecting your "agenda" by saying I have an "agenda". So "we" "keep delaying expectations"? Where's the "kept" part coming from? You were projectile vomiting this spiel BEFORE Butch's first season!...acting like this third year expectation bullcrap was perfectly reasoned...once again bull! You freaking blowhard! All under the auspice of "woe is me! I was wrong about Dooley, so my suffering gave me insight that the rest of you have no concept of". :cray: It ain't about giving Butch a pass...it's reading drivel from a weeping willow, self-described leader of men. Prattle on and on about how you're not going to "allow" such and such. KB agrees with a lot of your opinions...how come I don't get that officious odor from him when he does? You can't turn it off. You're a know it all that needs validation...you ain't getting it. :hi:
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Very well stated sir. Except for the KB part. He does the same.
 
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ReaderVol said:
Very well stated sir. Except for the KB part. He does the same.
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We disagree on KB...we start winning against the Floridas and Bama's of the world and he's happy. sjt will still nitpick about whatever can be nitpicked.
 
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I don't think anyone here would be unhappy if we ever beat bammer or floriduh.

I'm behind the team and the program. That doesn't mean I (or ANYONE else) can't question what our VERY well paid head coach says or does. That doesn't make me a negavol or blowhard or whatever.

For example, I still don't understand the decision not to go for 2 in the Florida game to put the lead to a FULL score. Also, I don't understand not adjusting offensive playcalling in the South Carolina game when Usce made adjustments.

Is this season what I expected? Pretty much. Is this season what it should have been? Not even close. Am I satisfied with the season? Almost...the players have really done well. The coaches, in my opinion, have not.
 
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jakez4ut said:
i won't disagree that he wouldn't have hesitated to put that out there to go along with his preaching patience mantra. it certainly fits that agenda.

that said, the comment itself was not presented that way in the context of the question or discussion going on. it really was concerning competitive depth of a roster, and how long it takes to get a roster to the point you can sustain success over a longer period of time.

but like i said earlier, as soon as he said 6-7 years, i knew this would be the reaction. and it does align with other things he's said in the past while preaching patience.
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Don't disagree with anything you posted here Jake. I knew the context of his comments at that particular time in response to the specific question asked by Kesling.

But while some have chosen to only look at and interpret that exchange in a vacuum, I saw it through the prism of the comments in your last sentence....in a larger context, to previous comments he's consistently made, because I believe it gives us a better insight to how he's thinking, and what his philosophy is.

I personally believe, IMHO, that his response was beyond tone deaf and rightfully seen as yet another excuse. I love the job he's done with rebuilding the program, with the outstanding job he's done with his 3 recruiting classes to overhaul the roster, with the obvious and considerable improvements he's made to the team's performance on the field of play. As a lifelong fan, I have only 2 beefs with Butch and how he's performing in his job....his in-game management and his "excuse-making" and adversarial comments made during his pressers. Jmo, but I'd personally like to see him make 180 degree changes to both areas, and if he would, my support for him would go from about 80% to full-on 100%.
 
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ReaderVol said:
How is "It starts with me" not?
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"We're all responsible and it starts with me" is what you say in year one to take the heat off the ****ty team you inherit.

It's not what you say when you make a series of bad decisions that cost your players a game they pretty much had in the bag.
 
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tvolsfan said:
"We're all responsible and it starts with me" is what you say in year one to take the heat off the ****ty team you inherit.

It's not what you say when you make a series of bad decisions that cost your players a game they pretty much had in the bag.
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The only thing he could say that would make some of you happy iis "I'm leaving Tennessee".
 
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tvolsfan said:
"We're all responsible and it starts with me" is what you say in year one to take the heat off the ****ty team you inherit.

It's not what you say when you make a series of bad decisions that cost your players a game they pretty much had in the bag.
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Here's an article from Dustin Dopriak describing Jones' "taking responsibility for the loss" while not taking any credit for any particular failure in the game and in fact defending all of his decisions. Kind of a hollow gesture IMO.....


Before taking a question from reporters on Monday, Tennessee coach Butch Jones asked that the blame for Saturday's 31-24 double overtime loss to Oklahoma be placed on his shoulders.

"As the head football coach, I am responsible for the losses," Jones said. "I take responsibility. ... I take full responsibility for Saturday night."

Jones did not, however, admit to any specific coaching mistakes, and defended Tennessee's decision to kick a field goal on 4th-and-goal at the 1-yard line on their first offensive possession instead of pushing for the touchdown.

"If I would've went for it and we didn't get it, you'd be asking me the opposite question," Jones said. " ‘Why didn't you kick the field goal?' That's you're right and your privilege. That's what makes it a great game. We knew going into the game that we needed points. Points were at a premium. We needed momentum. We needed confidence. This is a defense that we didn't have much success with the previous year, so to drive the ball down, we felt we needed to come away with points. ... That decision, about four or five hours went into that single decision."

Jones also said he didn't feel like the Vols were too conservative with their play-calling. He admitted there were decisions he second-guessed, but said he generally believed Tennessee's fourth-quarter failings were more a product of Oklahoma's excellent execution on offense and aggressive pressure on defense.

"We did what we needed to do," Jones said. "Obviously, you start first and foremost with yourself. Just like anything, the power of ‘Why' and what could you to do be better. ‘Could we have done this? Could we have done that?' ... It's all about trying to get your players in the right positions. Is there one or two plays you always second-guess, and look and say ‘Could I have done this?' Yes."
 
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KBVol said:
Don't disagree with anything you posted here Jake. I knew the context of his comments at that particular time in response to the specific question asked by Kesling.

But while some have chosen to only look at and interpret that exchange in a vacuum, I saw it through the prism of the comments in your last sentence....in a larger context, to previous comments he's consistently made, because I believe it gives us a better insight to how he's thinking, and what his philosophy is.

I personally believe, IMHO, that his response was beyond tone deaf and rightfully seen as yet another excuse. I love the job he's done with rebuilding the program, with the outstanding job he's done with his 3 recruiting classes to overhaul the roster, with the obvious and considerable improvements he's made to the team's performance on the field of play. As a lifelong fan, I have only 2 beefs with Butch and how he's performing in his job....his in-game management and his "excuse-making" and adversarial comments made during his pressers. Jmo, but I'd personally like to see him make 180 degree changes to both areas, and if he would, my support for him would go from about 80% to full-on 100%.
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you and i are, as they say, signing out of the same hymnal.

it's going to get real boring, real fast debating with you KB.:no:
 
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jakez4ut said:
you and i are, as they say, signing out of the same hymnal.

it's going to get real boring, real fast debating with you KB.:no:
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Appreciate you Jake. Nice to be able to discuss our Vols and exchange opinions without being insulted, told I'm not a real fan and/or encouraged to go pull for Alabama or some other team.
 
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KBVol said:
Appreciate you Jake. Nice to be able to discuss our Vols and exchange opinions without being insulted, told I'm not a real fan and/or encouraged to go pull for Alabama or some other team.
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oh i've been threatening to root for clemson all year.

2 hours away, and i could transition my orange very easily.

:)
 
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