Missouri Players Go On Strike (merged)

[CNCVol88]

That hatred for minorities is alive and well on campus and that the administration is doing nothing to show that it's on the side of those being hated. If you are the head of a major university and you don't stand up for your students, you are telling them that you don't care about them. The swastika thing shows that it's not just hatred against blacks. Hell I'm shocked nobody here has said that they black students made the swastika to try to further their cause

Yes I'm sure the swastika means 100% without a doubt that someone hates the Jews and isn't just being an edgelord in a time where it's easy as hell to troll people who want to live behind bully proof windows and have troll proof locks.

 

[davethevol]

That hatred for minorities is alive and well on campus and that the administration is doing nothing to show that it's on the side of those being hated. If you are the head of a major university and you don't stand up for your students, you are telling them that you don't care about them. The swastika thing shows that it's not just hatred against blacks. Hell I'm shocked nobody here has said that they black students made the swastika to try to further their cause

The hatred towards whites is just as vibrant.

 

[CNCVol88]

And you still fail to take that instance and build on it. If a major black group is verbally assaulted and the university says nothing, they are telling the entire black community that they, the administration, just don't care. It's like the Kanye line with Bush, but for real this time. It's not about the action that you're responding to (the yelling of that word at them), it's the appearance that you don't care which can lead to more issues. If he had come out when those issues happened and say that he's appalled that students at Missouri would still be hurling racial slurs at others in 2015, these players aren't on strike.

Verbally "assaulted"


as·sault
əˈsôlt
verb
1.
make a physical attack on

Man when was the last time a mean word physically hurt me?

 

[RetardedElf]

Not according to the FBI.

According to a memo produced by the FBI's Terrorist Research and Analytical Center in 1994, domestic terrorism was defined as "the unlawful use of force or violence, committed by a group(s) of two or more individuals, against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives."

So no. The fact is domestic terrorists are usually white extremists. Don't try to deflect.

It happened here in Knoxville not too long ago.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knoxville_Unitarian_Universalist_church_shooting

Jim David Adkisson (born June 25, 1950)[6] was a former private in the United States Army from 1974 to 1977. After his arrest, he said that he was motivated by hatred of Democrats, liberals, African Americans and homosexuals.[2][7][8] According to an affidavit by one of the officers who interviewed Adkisson on July 27, 2008:

At one point the FBI didn't think that the Mafia was a real thing either. When you have mayors and other gov't figures begging for them to be labeled as domestic terrorists to help wipe them out I think that should speak volumes

 

[vol_in_ar]

sticks and stones, may break my bones, but words will never hurt me

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

The hatred towards whites is just as vibrant.

But it doesn't matter.

 

[crusse10]

Does it not abhor y'all that your solution is to tell these people "It's time to suck it up. Some people are just going to hate you because of your skin color. It's their right to hate you because of your skin color." Your answer isn't, in any way, looking to make a change for the future. It's 100% "hey relax, Joey is allowed to hate you because you're black." That's why racist beliefs won't change over time.

 

[Dragon18]

Google is your friend.

https://www.google.com/#q=domestic+terrorism+stats

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_terrorism_in_the_United_States

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/25/u...es-perceptions-of-top-terror-threat.html?_r=0

https://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/2012/may/extremism_052212

White Supremacists More Dangerous To America Than Foreign Terrorists, Study Says

Ok you are right. White Supremists are really bad people. Have you ever met one? I haven't and I would estimate that I've had the ability to meet and know at a minimum of 100K people in my life (I have a very public profession). My point is that we are allowing the outliers in ALL areas of our society to dictate our world view. I blame this on a sensationalist media, organizations that need anger and disillusionment to survive and an overall lack of critical thought amongst the vast majority of people. And I'm not choosing sides here. It happens on both sides of the political spectrum.

 

[k-town_king]

Doyle you're leaving out a pretty big part of what was happening in politics during that time. My point was that during the most difficult times of the civil rights movement it was democrat governors that were turning the hoses and the dogs on the marchers. If you're going to ask people to get some history, you should as well. There is no doubt that many of the underserved people throughout the country gravitated to the democratic party under Johnson's great society. The notion that republicans are bigots and filled with hate would not get far under historical scrutiny. There are however, looneys from every political persuasion and to get back to my original point we really need to get back to finding things that unite us rather than to divide us.

Anyone with a basic grasp of history knows that the parties basically flipped during the Civil Rights era.

Its not as dumb as East Tennesseans who claim the traitors's flag as some kind of heritage when East TN was staunchly anti-Confederacy. If not for West and Midddle TN forces invading Knoxville we would have formed our own state of East TN to stay in the union like West Va did.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Tennessee_Convention

 

[Pepe_Silvia]

Does it not abhor y'all that your solution is to tell these people "It's time to suck it up. Some people are just going to hate you because of your skin color. It's their right to hate you because of your skin color." Your answer isn't, in any way, looking to make a change for the future. It's 100% "hey relax, Joey is allowed to hate you because you're black." That's why racist beliefs won't change over time.

What's your alternative? Make illegal any speech that could be taken as offensive?

 

[CNCVol88]

Does it not abhor y'all that your solution is to tell these people "It's time to suck it up. Some people are just going to hate you because of your skin color. It's their right to hate you because of your skin color." Your answer isn't, in any way, looking to make a change for the future. It's 100% "hey relax, Joey is allowed to hate you because you're black." That's why racist beliefs won't change over time.

It abhors me that people will be racist but it's always going to be that way and I do believe it's their right to hate whoever they want for whatever reason they want. That's called freedom of thought. I will gladly challenge their views if I hear it but telling someone to suck it up and don't let mean words get to you is much more practical than attempting what amounts to thought control and social engineering.

 

[orangeluvr]

You first seeing as though you are the one making wild claims. I'm all about discussing the truth.

Standing by my post, feel free to fact check. The sources making those claims certainly have. :yes:

 

[davethevol]

Does it not abhor y'all that your solution is to tell these people "It's time to suck it up. Some people are just going to hate you because of your skin color. It's their right to hate you because of your skin color." Your answer isn't, in any way, looking to make a change for the future. It's 100% "hey relax, Joey is allowed to hate you because you're black." That's why racist beliefs won't change over time.

No. I have more important things to worry about in life. I've been called "white boy" and "cracker" before and was mugged by blacks one time as well. I haven't gone around asking a police chief to resign because I was the victim of racism or violence. I picked myself up and moved on. Continually crying racism does zero to fix racism.

 

[k-town_king]

At one point the FBI didn't think that the Mafia was a real thing either. When you have mayors and other gov't figures begging for them to be labeled as domestic terrorists to help wipe them out I think that should speak volumes

I have provided my proof. Show me all of these Mayors and government officials who have said that. Show me the bombings and shootings that should get them the label. I haven't seen one bombing or shooting linked to it.

The only government officials I have actually heard complain are Police Union officials who don't want their cops to wear body cams and follow the laws. Why not wear body cams if you aren't doing anything wrong?

 

[CNCVol88]

Do I think this is abhorrent? You bet I do. Do you think I agreed when the UK government tried to levy "hate speech" charges against her for it? Hell no. People should be free to be as bigoted as they damn well please and the correct response should be to bring it to the fore and bring them to the debate table of open ideas and challenge the merit of their argument. Not just punish them for their thoughts.

 

[Special Ed]

This could be interesting.
Especially if it starts a trend.

 

[Dragon18]

Anyone with a basic grasp of history knows that the parties basically flipped during the Civil Rights era.

Its not as dumb as East Tennesseans who claim the traitors's flag as some kind of heritage when East TN was staunchly anti-Confederacy. If not for West and Midddle TN forces invading Knoxville we would have formed our own state of East TN to stay in the union like West Va did.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Tennessee_Convention

Robert Byrd remained a clansman into the 70s? I get what you're trying to say but the shift had atleast as much to do with great society policies as it did with civil rights issues. And you can't deny the history that much of the civil rights movement was supported and driven by republicans. There was never an accepted Republican platform that I'm aware of that included segregation as one of its tenets.

 

[Franklin Pierce]

Those Missouri football players Quit several weeks ago. Making it official is anti climatic.

 

[k-town_king]

Robert Byrd remained a clansman into the 70s? I get what you're trying to say but the shift had atleast as much to do with great society policies as it did with civil rights issues. And you can't deny the history that much of the civil rights movement was supported and driven by republicans. There was never an accepted Republican platform that I'm aware of that included segregation as one of its tenets.

You are correct. Republicans drove the Civil Rights movement. The Republican and Democrat parties today have basically switched though.

 

[crusse10]

What's your alternative? Make illegal any speech that could be taken as offensive?

Standing up against racism is a way to not allow the growth of more racism. Everyone agreed that the drunk kid from UConn who acted like a piece of trash over the mac and cheese was the way he was because of his parents. If these kids see that racism is not right, they might change. It's better than nothing.

I haven't said that they should be kicked out and I don't think you change laws. You just start responding instead of allowing that hatred to grow without response.

 

[ClearwaterVol]

What's your alternative? Make illegal any speech that could be taken as offensive?

I'm not for making racist speech illegal, but sometimes exercising rights comes at a cost. Instead of telling these kids that they have it better than their grandparents who risked being hanged for skin color maybe the school should take this as an opportunity to educate the student body.

A bunch of white people telling black people that what they are feeling is invalid doesn't sit well. The president could have tried listening to these kids issues instead of being a dismissive prick.

 

[Jimmy Football]

Your answer isn't, in any way, looking to make a change for the future. It's 100% "hey relax, Joey is allowed to hate you because you're black." That's why racist beliefs won't change over time.

Two points:

1. I don't think the Mizzou students answer will change much either. They just want some guy to resign, who will probably just be replaced w/ someone very similar. I don't think they have to just accept their situation, but there can be plenty of disagreement as to whether what they're proposing is right, fair, or tailored to effect the change they seek.

2. Racist beliefs have changed over time, quite significantly, in fact. It took a few centuries too long, and there are certainly still a lot iof issues, but you'd have a hard time arguing that Western Democracy 2015 isn't the most accepting society in the history of mankind.

 

[volfanhill]

You are correct. Republicans drove the Civil Rights movement. The Republican and Democrat parties today have basically switched though.

I think it's more the minority voter has changed. They have been sold a bill of goods that the social reforms the democrats espouse are good for them, when in my opinion, they actually hold them back.

 

[CNCVol88]

I'm not for making racist speech illegal, but sometimes exercising rights comes at a cost. Instead of telling these kids that they have it better than their grandparents who risked being hanged for skin color maybe the school should take this as an opportunity to educate the student body.

A bunch of white people telling black people that what they are feeling is invalid doesn't sit well. The president could have tried listening to these kids issues instead of being a dismissive prick.

SJW Students: we want the statue of Thomas Jefferson to be removed from campus!

Administration: why?

SJW Students: because he was racist and we demand a safe space!

Administration: it was the 1700s. That was a pretty common world view at the time. Removing history doesn't change it and Thomas Jefferson is a very important figure not only for our country as a whole but for our state in particular.

SJW students: well you're a racist for not doing this! *starts a change.org petition and hashtag campaign*

That's how trying to have a rational discussion with the safe spacers turns out. Every single time.

 

[HoptownVol]

Anyone with a basic grasp of history knows that the parties basically flipped during the Civil Rights era.

Its not as dumb as East Tennesseans who claim the traitors's flag as some kind of heritage when East TN was staunchly anti-Confederacy. If not for West and Midddle TN forces invading Knoxville we would have formed our own state of East TN to stay in the union like West Va did.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Tennessee_Convention

"Traitor's flag?" You need to reign it in dude.