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I didn't know Crowder played guard? Well the offense looked solid aside from some early mistakes and the late int. I would prefer Jones of course- was this due to Jashons injury? Is he still out also? Wonder if Jones was banged up and that's why Crowder was in?
 
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The Breakerboy said:
Oh and another thing, Evan Berry is better than CP as a kickoff returner. He breaks just as many tackles and has better straight line speed. No one even comes close to making up ground on him. He's covers 5 yards in two strides.
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What I've noticed about Berry that makes him so good at returning:

1) First, you have to mention his ability to identify the creases in coverage so quickly it looks like precognition.
2) That absolutely blistering speed. Once he makes it to ~35, if there is open space ahead of him he will score. You just can't get angles on him.
3) He runs into the catch which allows him greater explosion. Despite this being an obvious thing to do, you still generally only see the top returners doing this.
4) He returns like a running back. He doesn't shy away from contact which allows for him to run full speed through arm tackles whereas most returners try to get fancy to avoid the people in coverage. He is just really hard to bring down and can fight through defenders which is rare for return men.
 
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VOLorNuttin said:
He doesn't have just momentary relapses. Look at the UGA game, as an example. He had a long stretch in the first half, where he looked like Nate Peterman did against UF a few years ago. Before Josh Smith made that big catch, down 24-3 (looking like a blowout) with about 2 minutes to go in the half, he was having an awful day.

That catch somehow sparked the playmaker in him, and he played like the Astro Dobbs we saw against USCjr, last year. That is what is so frustrating. The gap between the dynamic playmaker and the erratic QB who is playing like a Community College QB is pretty large.

I just wish the staff could help him level it out, to where he can show consistency. Make the throws all game long, that you should make. Nobody is expecting perfection, nor for him to complete the really difficult throws, all the time. Just hit the open receiver when they are open and he has time to make the throw.
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Did you seriously use the Georgia game as your example? Are you talking about the perfectly thrown ball that Preston Williams dropped for a TD in the first half? What about the perfectly thrown ball that Wolf dropped for a TD? The Georgia game miscues were not on Dobbs. That game, I realized that our guys were still learning how to make game winning plays.

Dobbs can be inconsistent at times and to me, it's not necessarily physical. He has missed throwing to open receivers by not quite being patient enough. But QB's will miss guys. Just going to happen. If we didn't have Dobbs, we wouldn't have near the running ability. He obviously brings an extra element to the offense.
 
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Outofmyvolcanmind said:
Kelly is hot garbage and when he's played against decent defenses, he's folded. Don't give me that Bama stuff either because I've never seen luckier crap ever.

Dude flings it up for grabs whenever pressured.
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Yeah and lets his receivers make a play on the ball. Isn't that part of the job description for a qb?
 
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VOLorNuttin said:
Let's get something straight here, smartazz. You aren't running a damn here. If I want to express my point of view about a player, I don't need your f-ing permission. You got that? Good. Now go sit your happy arse down and STFU. This is a message board for people to voice their opinions, whether you agree with them or not.
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His opinion is you are a moron, wrong, and should stop talking. He can express it. You contradicted yourself.


For the record, he and I share the same opinion
 
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Wickman said:
His opinion is a moron and you're wrong and should stop talking. He can express it. You contradicted yourself.


For the record, he and I share the same opinion
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Ok, help me out here Wick, his opinion is a moron and for the record you share it?

Edit: I see you fixed it. Thanks. Lol
 
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volunteerfan said:
2015 SEC College Football Individual Statistics Leaders for Passing - ESPN
Kelly is hot garbage but he leads the sec or is in 2nd in every major qb category. This should help to show that dobbs isn't the second best qb in the sec
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That doesn't help at all. Everyone knows how I feel about Dobbs as a passer (suspect at best) but his ability to create and avoid tackles are elite. He is intelligent and has elusive speed. He is the best running QB in the league and it isn't close (superior to Prescott). What he lacks in passing, he more than makes up for in running ability, especially with Hurd and Kamara complimenting.
 
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BruinVol said:
Crowder


Don't think jones played at all with the 1st unit
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Crowder came in for Robertson right before the Kentucky scoop and score. It was Robertson before that. On the last play I saw Robertson, he falls down and rolls on his back. I don't know if it was an aggravation or if Robertson just wasn't feeling it yet.

Before someone says it, the scoop and score wasn't on Crowder, he was holding his man off. In fact, he played pretty well from what I watched. Not the most fleet of foot guy. He's not their best in space, but he doesn't seem to make big mistakes. He had a good block (along with others) on Kamara's long run.

Jones came in on the series before Dobbs sat down when Kelly was running. Garbage time, but he got some work since they just ran it after that.
 
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The Breakerboy said:
Oh and another thing, Evan Berry is better than CP as a kickoff returner. He breaks just as many tackles and has better straight line speed. No one even comes close to making up ground on him. He's covers 5 yards in two strides.
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Berry is so fun to watch. Just goes full-tilt. Patterson is more of a dancer. They are both hard to bring down. Berry is just so fluid and fearless. He really knows what north and south means.
 
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I'm not going to weigh in on Dobbs as a passer. I've been thinking this week about how you develop a mental image of a player "in action". For example, when I think about CP, I see him with the ball in his hands, stopping on a dime, making someone miss, then re-accelerating to get up the field.

For Dobbs, the image for me is him running, getting turned sideways with one or two guys trying to tackle him, then doing the sideways galloping-ish move where he shakes them off and gets some more yards. Y'all know what I'm talking about? He had one on the first scoring (FG) drive against Florida, the drive against UGA where Hurd fumbled the next play, and he did it against Kentucky on his long scoring run.
 
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Wickman said:
That doesn't help at all. Everyone knows how I feel about Dobbs as passer (suspect at best) but his ability to create and avoid tackles are elite. He is intelligent and has elusive speed. He is the best running QB in the league and it isn't close (superior to Prescott). What he lacks in passing, he more than makes up for in running ability, especially with Hurd and Kamara complimenting.
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Ok I get the running part of dobbs' game and it's amazing that every team stacks the box and dares him to beat them by throwing it and he still seams to find ways to gain rushing yards but what if he actually was an accurate passer too, the offense would really be unstoppable
 
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Wickman said:
That doesn't help at all. Everyone knows how I feel about Dobbs as a passer (suspect at best) but his ability to create and avoid tackles are elite. He is intelligent and has elusive speed. He is the best running QB in the league and it isn't close (superior to Prescott). What he lacks in passing, he more than makes up for in running ability, especially with Hurd and Kamara complimenting.
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Every college QB in the history of forever has inconsistent periods of throwing. I remember getting frustrated with Casey Clausen back in the day for doing that. Manning was about as consistent as I can remember at this level, but even he had bouts. Heck, most of the pros (probably all) do it, too.

What we occasionally see with his throwing is more than made up by his feet. He is one of the best QBs I've ever seen at running through tackles. I'm not talking about bowling them over like Tebow would do. I mean running through them.

Dormady would have to be Manning 2.0 to sit Dobbs down right now (and he's not). Dobbs changes the defenses when he's in and makes everything easier for everyone else.
 
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volunteerfan said:
Ok I get the running part of dobbs' game and it's amazing that every team stacks the box and dares him to beat them by throwing it and he still seams to find ways to gain rushing yards but what if he actually was an accurate passer too, the offense would really be unstoppable
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I'll let the team know. :)

Seriously though, he's getting better. He still has moments and sometimes periods where he's just off from his receivers, but they're improving. Don't forget that North and Pig are out/gone. That makes a difference. Pig was a big security blanket last year.

That bomb to Malone was so nice to see.
 
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engineerVOL said:
I've got a question for anybody that has a clue about special teams football:

Is the main purpose of the up man in a kickoff return (in our case Micah Abernathy) to essentially lead Evan Berry through the open lanes like a pilot car? Make it easy for Evan?

Obviously it doesn't always work that way and 29 finds his own seam. But I just ask because Micah seems like the last guy I would want blocking the guy who breaks through the return wall.
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Micah has a good combination of speed (to keep up with Berry and to receive the ball on his own) and power to make effective blocks. Sure other guys might be faster or stronger, but I think the combination Micah brings to the table is a strong compliment to the unit.

Sucks Evan is unlikely to get even one return this week.
 
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Dust10 said:
Micah has a good combination of speed (to keep up with Berry and to receive the ball on his own) and power to make effective blocks. Sure other guys might be faster or stronger, but I think the combination Micah brings to the table is a strong compliment to the unit.

Sucks Evan is unlikely to get even one return this week.
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If my kicker can't put it through the end zone, I'm telling him to kick it out of bounds or pooch it way up if I'm facing the Vols.
 
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volunteerfan said:
Ok I get the running part of dobbs' game and it's amazing that every team stacks the box and dares him to beat them by throwing it and he still seams to find ways to gain rushing yards but what if he actually was an accurate passer too, the offense would really be unstoppable
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It would be. He is still a top 2 QB in the league, imo
 
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engineerVOL said:
I've got a question for anybody that has a clue about special teams football:

Is the main purpose of the up man in a kickoff return (in our case Micah Abernathy) to essentially lead Evan Berry through the open lanes like a pilot car? Make it easy for Evan?

Obviously it doesn't always work that way and 29 finds his own seam. But I just ask because Micah seems like the last guy I would want blocking the guy who breaks through the return wall.
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Yeah, he leads Evan through the lanes. He has the speed to stay out in front of him even while looking for people to disrupt. Coming into this year, I didn't realize how fast he is... but if he's slower than Berry, it's not by much at all.

Also, keep in mind that he's not trying to block guys like Hurd does, standing up a blitzing LB or stunting DE. All he needs to do is chip them, knock them off of their path. It's hard enough to tackle Berry when you have a clean shot. It's nearly impossible to do it while off-balance or out of position, because he WILL break an arm tackle (if he doesn't just run by you).

That's why you frequently see Micah just give a shoulder to jar them a bit and then keep on rolling. Don't need any more than that.
 
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