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Rasputin_Vol said:
He has the right to be silent. If a cop gets so frustrated over a citizen exercising their rights that they slam them to the turf, is the biggest issue and concern with the civilian or the cop?
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I think in most every state you are required to at least identity yourself to the police when asked.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Which is why I said "same standard."

I don't care what you do, the same standard should apply across the board. You are forgetting the entity that allegedly grants you those licenses and whatnot. Why should the standard be higher for you?
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It just is.
 
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Abe Hoffman said:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marissa_Alexander_case
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Thank you.

Apples and oranges in the case under discussion though. Ras of course thinks they should have pushed for attempted murder in the case of the cop. And cited this one as proof the system isn't "fair" about sentencing.

Not mentioning of course, the mandatory minimum in that jurisdiction is 20 years. And yet this other crime didn't happen in Florida.

However, he will have to serve all the time he got since the judge didn't give any chance of parole or good behavior. But unless he was executed, Ras won't ever be happy. He's the kind of guy that privately cheers whenever a cop gets killed. His hatred runs that deep.
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
Until pretentive policing is wiped out as a system, we will constantly have abuses and perceived injustices.
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And yet those abuses tend to be a mere fraction of a percent of all daily police encounters either good or bad.

Weren't you discussing the media blowing up things in the other thread? Is this not the case with police encounters as well? Are those cases of abuse not blown completely out of proportion in many cases and get an undue amount of attention for such a minor percentage of encounters?
 
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Grand Vol said:
And yet those abuses tend to be a mere fraction of a percent of all daily police encounters either good or bad.

Weren't you discussing the media blowing up things in the other thread? Is this not the case with police encounters as well? Are those cases of abuse not blown completely out of proportion in many cases and get an undue amount of attention for such a minor percentage of encounters?
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Yet, you continually ignore the elephant in the room. Cops are funded with tax dollars, therefore any abuse is seen as egregious.
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
Yet, you continually ignore the elephant in the room. Cops are funded with tax dollars, therefore any abuse is seen as egregious.
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No, I know and understand abuses happen. As they will when you have almost 800,000 individuals with powers of arrest. You can't have that many people in the same profession without getting a few bad apples here and there. It's just statistically impossible to weed out each and every person that might snap at some point or another. My point is that in many cases these abuse and lethal force encounters get far more press than they really should. Weren't you saying this guy in Virginia was getting exactly what he wanted? Media attention? What gets more press? A cop working his beat, taking in a law breaker every so often and does their job fairly? Or the riots in Ferguson or Baltimore after people get whipped into a frenzy over perceived injustices? Giving the people what they want...

The main difference in you and I is you don't trust the system in its entirety. I can point to the cases of abuse and say "yeah, that was wrong of that individual to do." You point to the system and damn the whole thing.
 
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Grand Vol said:
No, I know and understand abuses happen. As they will when you have almost 800,000 individuals with powers of arrest. You can't have that many people in the same profession without getting a few bad apples here and there. It's just statistically impossible to weed out each and every person that might snap at some point or another. My point is that in many cases these abuse and lethal force encounters get far more press than they really should. Weren't you saying this guy in Virginia was getting exactly what he wanted? Media attention? What gets more press? A cop working his beat, taking in a law breaker every so often and does their job fairly? Or the riots in Ferguson or Baltimore after people get whipped into a frenzy over perceived injustices? Giving the people what they want...

The main difference in you and I is you don't trust the system in its entirety. I can point to the cases of abuse and say "yeah, that was wrong of that individual to do." You point to the system and damn the whole thing.
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I damn the whole system because it is in fact a system of violence. We are a nation of laws, the saying goes. Violate those laws and you'll find yourself imprisoned, or dead. So the differences between you and I are rather huge. I see the system for what it is, and you try to explain away or fix the problem. Thing is, you cannot fix government with government, it's impossible.

The shooters are completely insane individuals who shouldn't even get the back page of the fish wrapper.
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
I damn the whole system because it is in fact a system of violence. We are a nation of laws, the saying goes. Violate those laws and you'll find yourself imprisoned, or dead. So the differences between you and I are rather huge. I see the system for what it is, and you try to explain away or fix the problem. Thing is, you cannot fix government with government, it's impossible.

The shooters are completely insane individuals who shouldn't even get the back page of the fish wrapper.
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I never said fix government with government. Not sure where you got that idea from.

Look, before we get into the An-Cap debate (which you love to do lol) I think those officers that exceed their authority should be punished, but not to any higher standard than you or I. I think you would agree for the most part. Now I do agree the system doesn't always work that way. Of which you'll agree as well.

What I can't understand, by a long shot, is when a cop gets sentenced after pleading guilty it still isn't good enough for some of you. As if plea bargains don't happen day in and day out and people get reduced sentences for various crimes.
 
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Grand Vol said:
I never said fix government with government. Not sure where you got that idea from.

Look, before we get into the An-Cap debate (which you love to do lol) I think those officers that exceed their authority should be punished, but not to any higher standard than you or I. I think you would agree for the most part. Now I do agree the system doesn't always work that way. Of which you'll agree as well.

What I can't understand, by a long shot, is when a cop gets sentenced after pleading guilty it still isn't good enough for some of you. As if plea bargains don't happen day in and day out and people get reduced sentences for various crimes.
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I never said the sentence wasn't good enough. I'm fine with it, as no one was hurt, but extreme negligence was used in his case.

Fact is most cops walk, look at the Eric Garner case, the Kelly Thomas case, and plenty more that I don't care to name, the list is endless.

You didn't directly imply fixing government with government but that's basically your stance with your faith in the judicial system.

I find my biggest problem with cops is the inability to opt out of their "protection" I'm a mild mannered chap, I don't break any laws worth speaking of, yet I'm forced to pay for a system of violence that has nothing to do with justice and all to do with enforcement. It's 2015, past time to realize that preventive policing doesn't work. It creates struggles and hardships for otherwise peaceful people who are hurting no one.
 
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