Von Pearson Update

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chargervol said:
Well, everyone would know who to be upset with if the case would move at a normal pace... Which is what everyone is complaining about. Well except for you, and I haven't the foggiest what you're carrying on about.
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What is a normal pace??

Only the police and prosecutor know ALL of the FACTS and CIRCUMSTANCES involved in this case. Therefore, it is completely unfair to judge either of them until everything is disclosed.
 
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gunner said:
What is a normal pace??

Only the police and prosecutor know ALL of the FACTS and CIRCUMSTANCES involved in this case. Therefore, it is completely unfair to judge either of them until everything is disclosed.
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I bit my tongue when I just "felt" this was going slower than usual. Once the defense attorney gave his opinion of longer than usual, that's enough for me to at least question. All reports that I read/heard, had them interviewing 5 witnesses.
 
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gunner said:
What is a normal pace??

Only the police and prosecutor know ALL of the FACTS and CIRCUMSTANCES involved in this case. Therefore, it is completely unfair to judge either of them until everything is disclosed.
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OK so we need to blindly accept that the police and DA cannot be wrong under any circumstance. I believe that Adolph would appreciate your point of view.

Amurica:hi:
 
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vol66 said:
UT has

Based on that article it would appear both Williams and Pearson were both not going to be allowed to enroll.

The article also mentions the student directory which I googled. I typed in Pearson's full name from his bio and nothing shows up. I did the same for Williams. He is listed as "active".

https://directory.utk.edu/search
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Williams is and has been enrolled in classes, which is what Pearson's attorney was referring to. Butch did not invite him back and he would not be welcomed back, even if the upcoming trial goes in his favor.

There are other issues that have involved both student-athletes and regular students that have not resulted in those students being banned from campus.

All indications were, as late as last night, that an update was going to be provided today, one that fans would not have liked. The fact that no update was given is encouraging to me, based on the direction it was going yesterday.
 
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gunner said:
So let me get this straight, Von exposed his gentians to a female student, and she was offended, and reported it to the police. The police opened an investigation which has been open and ongoing for months to determine if the report and allegations made by the compliant are indeed factual.

Are those the facts and circumstances that are accepted as the truth on here? I'm assuming that's the case.
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That is not the allegation against him.
 
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Aesius said:
If the information reported by Hubbs and others is correct and that the DA has new evidence to review, then this should be over sometime this week. The next question is whether the university will be too chicken **** to reinstate him even if he's cleared due to fears that the feds will get suspicious of the timing of his reinstatement. It sounds far-fetched but I would imagine the AD and the admins are walking on eggshells right now due to the university being part of the sexual assault investigations and it might be worth it to just keep him in limbo to avoid additional scrutiny.
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Just because he is cleared of a criminal offense does not mean that there are not Title IX issues that will keep him out of school.
 
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DeerPark12 said:
That is not the allegation against him.
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That's at least been rumored on here, but it's like I said over and over again, only the Police and Prosecutor know ALL of facts and circumstances in this matter.

I'm for letting the police and the prosecutor do their jobs and stoping the criticism of thier investigation until all the facts have been revealed.
 
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gunner said:
That's at least been rumored on here, but it's like I said over and over again, only the Police and Prosecutor know ALL of facts and circumstances in this matter.

I'm for letting the police and the prosecutor do their jobs and stoping the criticism of thier investigation until all the facts have been revealed.
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I doubt those you mentioned even know ALL the facts. You would think if they did some sort of decision would have happened already
 
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Orange And Garnet said:
I doubt those you mentioned even know ALL the facts. You would think if they did some sort of decision would have happened already
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Its extremely hard to say what they know or don't know, but it's becoming clear that if the allegations were completely false Von would be back on the team and allowed to enroll in class. The fact that he still in limbo is NOT good for him or UT.
 
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Serious question.


How many here sided very strongly toward the police in Ferguson Missouri and then in Baltimore but now choose to completely distrust the process of authority?????
 
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zqvol said:
Just because he is cleared of a criminal offense does not mean that there are not Title IX issues that will keep him out of school.
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Why didn't Title IX issues prevent Treon Harris from being reinstated instantly after he was found innocent/no charges were pressed last year? Does UF play by different rules?
 
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DeerPark12 said:
Williams is and has been enrolled in classes, which is what Pearson's attorney was referring to. Butch did not invite him back and he would not be welcomed back, even if the upcoming trial goes in his favor.

There are other issues that have involved both student-athletes and regular students that have not resulted in those students being banned from campus.

All indications were, as late as last night, that an update was going to be provided today, one that fans would not have liked. The fact that no update was given is encouraging to me, based on the direction it was going yesterday.
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Obviously I have no idea about the "update" to which you refer. But, it is odd to me that Williams, who was dismissed from the football program and as you state, would not be welcomed back, who also was charged, and indicted on two counts of aggravated rape with a trial coming up is considered not a risk to the campus community and Pearson, who is still on the roster, charged with nothing, is somehow considered more of a risk to the campus community...thus the interim suspension for Pearson, which Coach Jones confirmed today, and not for Williams. Making sense of it...I just can't wrap my head around it.
 
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BruinVol said:
Serious question.


How many here sided very strongly toward the police in Ferguson Missouri and then in Baltimore but now choose to completely distrust the process of authority?????
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I, for one, didn't follow those stories. That's been my favorite part of the internet. Unlike with TV, I just jump to the things I'm interested in....

I'm also not distrusting the police or the D.A.. The timeline is now more along the lines of cases involving many more witnesses and more complications than at least has been reported. Von may be completely guilty for all I know. Just would have more faith in paying those we pay to look at the evidence they have collected, and figure out if it should be pursued, if that had been accomplished in a time frame that was considered usual. I'm not thinking conspiracy, I'm worried about complacency/ineptitude.
 
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vol66 said:
Obviously I have no idea about the "update" to which you refer. But, it is odd to me that Williams, who was dismissed from the football program and as you state, would not be welcomed back, who also was charged, and indicted on two counts of aggravated rape with a trial coming up is considered not a risk to the campus community and Pearson, who is still on the roster, charged with nothing, is somehow considered more of a risk to the campus community...thus the interim suspension for Pearson, which Coach Jones confirmed today, and not for Williams. Making sense of it...I just can't wrap my head around it.
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gunner said:
So let me get this straight, Von exposed his gentians to a female student, and she was offended, and reported it to the police. The police opened an investigation which has been open and ongoing for months to determine if the report and allegations made by the compliant are indeed factual.

Are those the facts and circumstances that are accepted as the truth on here? I'm assuming that's the case.

Many on here are upset by the police investigation taking so long or with little or no movement. Why aren't those folks equally upset with Von for his actions? After all, he's the real problem in this scenario not the police or the prosecutor's office.

Have y'all considered that Von isn't coming back and if the allegations made against him are even remotely true, then this isn't the type of player UT wants in its program.

If the allegations are true, I know I don't want him playing football for UT.
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If that's true to me that's less of a deal than a DUI. One can kill someone and the other can't unless we're changing Von's nickname to mule.
 
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BruinVol said:
Serious question.


How many here sided very strongly toward the police in Ferguson Missouri and then in Baltimore but now choose to completely distrust the process of authority?????
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I personally side with justice. I oppose those who don't want justice and want to taint it with things that have nothing to do with the crime... like race.

If the police in Baltimore caused the prisoner's death in an intentional or careless way then they should be punished. The greatest injustice in Ferguson was the circus that ruined the officer's life because race hustlers wanted a protest.

If Pearson did something criminal then I would like to see him punished. If he didn't then I would like to see him cleared. Either way... I think they need to get on with it. I honestly do not see an excuse for not having collected the relevant facts in this particular case by now and coming to a decision on prosecution. There is no missing weapon to look for :birgits_giggle:. They know who the people involved are. They should have spoken with every witness by now. I just see no legitimate reason why a call cannot be made.
 
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zqvol said:
Just because he is cleared of a criminal offense does not mean that there are not Title IX issues that will keep him out of school.
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False. The title IX investigations are supposed to only apply to assaults that occurred on campus. This one did not. The University can elect to do a independent investigation as part of a student judicial board review, but they are not required to, as they are when an assault occurs on campus.

If there are no charges filed, then there should not be a student judicial board review, since there are no charges, and the event did not take place on campus.

That is how the system is *supposed* to be followed. We will see if it plays out that way.

That said, this has been the most unusual situation I have ever seen involving a student athlete. At this point, I would believe almost anything could happen.
 
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Oh dear lord. If they had the evidence to file charges then they would have already. Just get him back on the field Butch, and please tell him to not be such a weirdo around the ladies from now on.
 
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DeerPark12 said:
The title IX investigations are supposed to only apply to assaults that occurred on campus.
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False.

If the off-campus misconduct was not in the context of a school activity or program, UT must still determine whether the effects of the misconduct created a hostile environment on campus for the victim. If the off-campus sexual violence created or contributed to a hostile environment, the school must address that hostile environment in the same manner in which it would if the misconduct occurred on-campus under Title IX.

UT must also also take steps to protect the student from further harassment/violence by Von and/or his friends. UT is also bound by Title IX to treat off-campus sexual violence in the same way it handles other off-campus incidents of misconduct if it is entailed within their code of conduct policies.

Hopefully the administrators handled the situation properly in the required time period so it doesn't blow up into a tornado.
 
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