'15 TN TE Kyle Oliver (UT Signee 2/4/15)

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Probably_in_Class said:
Are we talking about the same BB gun incident? It's sad I have to ask that isn't it? I was referring to the fake robbery at the Pilot.
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No the recruit that was dropped before NSD. WR who shot a guy in the eye or something, I can't think of his name. But yes it's sad haha. Too much ish as gone on on the Hill the last decade.
 
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Crookruss said:
You're also comparing a guy whose had these issues in a 3 year span vs a guy who crammed all of his into 1 year.
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"Only" Nu'kesse, Edwards and Janzen were in that year. The rape allegations, though not all of Butch's recruits happened in the matter of about 6 months.
 
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bowlinggreenvol said:
"Only" Nu'kesse, Edwards and Janzen were in that year. The rape allegations, though not all of Butch's recruits happened in the matter of about 6 months.
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Sounds like Pearson is going to be cleared. Not sure why you keep lumping him into this. Williams wasn't really a Butch recruit. Just a track guy Butch convinced to walk on. None of that fits your agenda though.
 
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bowlinggreenvol said:
"Only" Nu'kesse, Edwards and Janzen were in that year. The rape allegations, though not all of Butch's recruits happened in the matter of about 6 months.
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You want us all to be mad at Butch?? Would that make u feel better? Im just not sure why you're so up in arms about this?
 
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jjay2518 said:
Sounds like Pearson is going to be cleared. Not sure why you keep lumping him into this. Williams wasn't really a Butch recruit. Just a track guy Butch convinced to walk on. None of that fits your agenda though.
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So convincing a kid to walkon means he isn't one of Butch's guys? I have no agenda. I've said it's not Butch's responsibility to watch them all the time. But it's hypocritical to roast past staffs and other staffs around the country, when we've had our fair share of trouble and then act like Butch walks on water cause he punishes them. I lump Pearson in because he was ACCUSED of rape, I've not once said he was convicted or would be convicted of rape.
 
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bowlinggreenvol said:
So convincing a kid to walkon means he isn't one of Butch's guys? I have no agenda. I've said it's not Butch's responsibility to watch them all the time. But it's hypocritical to roast past staffs and other staffs around the country, when we've had our fair share of trouble and then act like Butch walks on water cause he punishes them. I lump Pearson in because he was ACCUSED of rape, I've not once said he was convicted or would be convicted of rape.
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Again. Kiffin was here one year. If you think that was all he was going to be dealing with going forward I'd say you are a bit naive. Not to mention he had issues of his own that boosters covered up. Like his wrecked Lexus in the wee hours of the morning.
 
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bowlinggreenvol said:
So convincing a kid to walkon means he isn't one of Butch's guys? I have no agenda. I've said it's not Butch's responsibility to watch them all the time. But it's hypocritical to roast past staffs and other staffs around the country, when we've had our fair share of trouble and then act like Butch walks on water cause he punishes them. I lump Pearson in because he was ACCUSED of rape, I've not once said he was convicted or would be convicted of rape.
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So if the KPD finds no reason to charge Pearson with anything your still going to assume he messed up for your little witch hunt? Makes sense.
 
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jjay2518 said:
So if the KPD finds no reason to charge Pearson with anything your still going to assume he messed up for your little witch hunt? Makes sense.
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No, I will say he was innocent and exonerated. Which is what I hope happens. As an alumni, the last thing I want to see is guys getting in trouble for their sake and for the sake of the school's and program's reputation. How am I on a witch hunt? Pointing out guys have gotten in trouble and that its becoming embarrassing for the university constitutes a witch hunt? Makes sense.
 
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bowlinggreenvol said:
So convincing a kid to walkon means he isn't one of Butch's guys? I have no agenda. I've said it's not Butch's responsibility to watch them all the time. But it's hypocritical to roast past staffs and other staffs around the country, when we've had our fair share of trouble and then act like Butch walks on water cause he punishes them. I lump Pearson in because he was ACCUSED of rape, I've not once said he was convicted or would be convicted of rape.
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I get what you're saying but the disparity between Butch and Lane's approach to this football team is VAST.
 
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SSVol said:
That seems pretty clear to most people. Not entirely sure why BG is intent on making this an issue.
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What am I making an issue? I just think it's comical that because "Butch gets it", his off field issues are in no way a shadow on him. But if you don't win enough or screw us over every issue is a direct reflection of you. Folks love Butch, so he's immune from criticism. It's happening in this very thread or any postgame thread. You hate Butch, you're a troll, you love Kiffin, you're trying to start something etc etc is the common theme anytime he and the staff are questioned about anything. It's cult-like at times.
 
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bowlinggreenvol said:
What am I making an issue? I just think it's comical that because "Butch gets it", his off field issues are in no way a shadow on him. But if you don't win enough or screw us over every issue is a direct reflection of you. Folks love Butch, so he's immune from criticism. It's happening in this very thread or any postgame thread. You hate Butch, you're a troll, you love Kiffin, you're trying to start something etc etc is the common theme anytime he and the staff are questioned about anything. It's cult-like at times.
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Eventually you'll fix it. :)
 
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bowlinggreenvol said:
What am I making an issue? I just think it's comical that because "Butch gets it", his off field issues are in no way a shadow on him. But if you don't win enough or screw us over every issue is a direct reflection of you. Folks love Butch, so he's immune from criticism. It's happening in this very thread or any postgame thread. You hate Butch, you're a troll, you love Kiffin, you're trying to start something etc etc is the common theme anytime he and the staff are questioned about anything. It's cult-like at times.
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I was referring more to your level of persistence. You've been dogging this pretty hard. We get it. You think Kiffin is unfairly criticized, while Butch gets a pass.

From my perspective, the simple answer is personal integrity. Kiffin *appeared* to lack it, and Butch *appears* to have it. I honestly don't know if either true, but in 8 years as a head coach, Butch hasn't been characterized by a lack of integrity. The same cannot be said about Kiffin.
 
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SSVol said:
I was referring more to your level of persistence. You've been dogging this pretty hard. We get it. You think Kiffin is unfairly criticized, while Butch gets a pass.

From my perspective, the simple answer is personal integrity. Kiffin *appeared* to lack it, and Butch *appears* to have it. I honestly don't know if either true, but in 8 years as a head coach, Butch hasn't been characterized by a lack of integrity. The same cannot be said about Kiffin.
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The persistence is because others respond so I respond again. I'll drop it so I don't misconstrue the premise of a message board anymore.
 
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bowlinggreenvol said:
The persistence is because others respond so I respond again. I'll drop it so I don't misconstrue the premise of a message board anymore.
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Do you seriously believe that the words "unfair" and "to Kiffin" belong in the same sentence? As long as you want to argue that point, don't get sore at the number of takers. :lol:
 
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People blame coaches too much instead of the kids. Let's be honest the stuff the kids do is not butchs fault at all. There is no "cloud" over butch. Kiffin gets flack because kiffin is was and will always be a douchebag.
 
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thetennlegend said:
People blame coaches too much instead of the kids. Let's be honest the stuff the kids do is not butchs fault at all. There is no "cloud" over butch. Kiffin gets flack because kiffin is was and will always be a douchebag.
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Agreed...lowlife that rose quickly due to Dad's reputation. Then we got a moron that got ahead based on dad and saban association.
 
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murfreesboro (tenn.) oakland tight end kyle oliver is heading to junior college. The class of 2015 prospect had parted ways with tennessee recently and had been mulling his options for a transfer. The 6-4, 226-pounder has decided that despite flirtations with the multiple west coast programs, vanderbilt, louisville and others, he will enroll sunday at jones community college in mississippi. Oliver plans to play his freshman season at jones and will then transfer to a four-year institution in january with four years remaining to complete three seasons of eligibility.

Oliver was rated as the no. 21 tight end in the country in the 2015 class according to 247sports composite.
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