Fall of the Confederate Wall - Confederate Symbols Debate (Merged)

[bowlinggreenvol]

A seperate country that went to war with our own.

But so many of you keep trying to claim the cival war wasn't about slavery, yet when pressed on it none of you have a legitimate argument.

Would you like to make one?

You do realize Lincoln called the states to raise armies and that he would invade any state threatening to leave the Union?

The Morrill Tariff of 1860-61 was the tipping point for the South. Why did the Emancipation Proclamation not ban slavery in Maryland and Delaware? Two slave states, that chose not to secede. Why was it not enacted until 1863, two years after the War had started? Why did it only apply to 3mil of the more than 4mil slaves in the country in 1863? Why did it only free those slaves who escaped and not outlaw the institution as a whole?

Do some f-ing research you buffoon.

 

[Vol8188]

You do realize Lincoln called the states to raise armies and that he would invade any state threatening to leave the Union?

The Morrill Tariff of 1860-61 was the tipping point for the South. Why did the Emancipation Proclamation not ban slavery in Maryland and Delaware? Two slave states, that chose not to secede. Why was it not enacted until 1863, two years after the War had started?

Not applying to Maryland or Delaware isn't relevant to why the war started. And states had already begun leaving before the Morrill Tariff act. So try again.

States left the union due to slavery. It's a simple fact.

 

[bowlinggreenvol]

Not applying to Maryland or Delaware isn't relevant to why the war started. And states had already begun leaving before the Morrill Tariff act. So try again.

States left the union due to slavery. It's a simple fact.

The Tarrif was passed in 1861 it was raised in Congress in May of 1860. Name me a state that left before then.

How did a war that "started" over slavery not include 2 notoriously pro-slavery states? How was the War over an institution that wasn't even illegal?

 

[apevol]

Fwiw I saw more confederate flags in my time in Maryland than I have here..

 

[Vol8188]

The Tarrif was passed in 1861 it was raised in Congress in May of 1860. Name me a state that left before then.

How did a war that "started" over slavery not include 2 notoriously pro-slavery states?

If the southern states hadn't left, it wouldn't have passed. The tarrif act was not the reason they seceded. It was over the issue of new states and the election of Lincoln. Both of which were related to slavery.

And just because not all slave states left, doesn't prove anything. As has been stated on here several times, the majority of Americans weren't slave owners. So even many southern states were heavily divided.

 

[bowlinggreenvol]

If the southern states hadn't left, it wouldn't have passed. The tarrif act was not the reason they seceded. It was over the issue of new states and the election of Lincoln. Both of which were related to slavery.

And just because not all slave states left, doesn't prove anything. As has been stated on here several times, the majority of Americans weren't slave owners. So even many southern states were heavily divided.

Northern slave states not leaving proves they weren't as negatively impacted by the tariffs as the Deep South. The South either imported finished goods or paid freight on northern produced goods. Often times it was cheaper to import, until the tariffs became unbearable. Freight on manufactured goods shipping to Maryland out of NE would've been much cheaper than shipping to MS. Therefore, the tariffs had minimal to no effect on "northern" slave states, hence no issue with the tariffs.

 

[Vol8188]

Northern slave states not leaving proves they weren't as negatively impacted by the tariffs as the Deep South. The South either imported finished goods or paid freight on northern produced goods. Often times it was cheaper to import, until the tariffs became unbearable. Freight on manufactured goods shipping to Maryland out of NE would've been much cheaper than shipping to MS. Therefore, the tariffs had minimal to no effect on "northern" slave states, hence no issue with the tariffs.

Once again, the tariffs didn't pass and wouldn't have passed, until they left.

The major issues were the inclusion of new states and the election of Lincoln.

 

[bowlinggreenvol]

Once again, the tariffs didn't pass and wouldn't have passed, until they left.

The major issues were the inclusion of new states and the election of Lincoln.

It passed the House before anyone seceded but may not have passed the Senate had they not left. You're right Lincoln was an issue because he vowed to make a new tariff his priority if this one didn't pass by his inauguration date. The tariff wasn't a punishment for slavery, it was a result of the U.S. losing out on revenue to foreign countries via cheaper imports.

 

[BearCat204]

Why do you own it?

Lol and tell me about my own racism. I'm interested.

Add racism to your list of terms that you need to google.

 

[Vol8188]

Add racism to your list of terms that you need to google.

If you proclaim I'm racists, you could atleast be man enough to back it up.

 

[BearCat204]

If you proclaim I'm racists, you could atleast be man enough to back it up.

Oh, it's completely fine for you to blab about everyone being racist who supports the Confederate Battle Flag without a shred of anything to back it up other than your complete ignorance of history and jumping on the mob train who is equally completely oblivious of facts.

 

[RikidyBones]

If you proclaim I'm racists, you could atleast be man enough to back it up.

Youve made too many generalizations to use that line, come on guy.

 

[BeecherVol]

If you proclaim I'm racists, you could atleast be man enough to back it up.

Source? Personal experience. Have you seriously never meet or spoke to anyone with a confederate flag on their truck? Most of them don't do it to honor dead confederate soldiers, they do it to display their views.

I have to ask, how many of these people have you interviewed?

 

[Vol8188]

Oh, it's completely fine for you to blab about everyone being racist who supports the Confederate Battle Flag without a shred of anything to back it up other than your complete ignorance of history and jumping on the mob train who is equally completely oblivious of facts.

So because I see the confederate flag as a symbol of racism, that makes me racist?

 

[Vol8188]

I have to ask, how many of these people have you interviewed?

Interviewed? I went to school with them, grew up together, lived in the same community.

 

[AirVol]

Not applying to Maryland or Delaware isn't relevant to why the war started. And states had already begun leaving before the Morrill Tariff act. So try again.



States left the union due to slavery. It's a simple fact.

Fact huh. Then why did the majority of slave states in the north continue using slaves during the civil war?

 

[Vol8188]

Fact huh. Then why did the majority of slave states in the north continue using slaves during the civil war?

The other states didn't leave the union because slavery had been banned. It hadn't. They left because they knew Lincoln was anti slavery and they knew new states would not be slave states. They saw the writing on the wall.

 

[bowlinggreenvol]

Fact huh. Then why did the majority of slave states in the north continue using slaves during the civil war?

His position makes no sense. Why was there a war over a cause that wasn't even illegal at the time?

The South did want new territories to be slave states to maintain equal representation in Congress just as the north wanted them to be free states in order to maintain equilibrium or tip control in Congress. Typical politics.

 

[hog88]

It passed the House before anyone seceded but may not have passed the Senate had they not left. You're right Lincoln was an issue because he vowed to make a new tariff his priority if this one didn't pass by his inauguration date. The tariff wasn't a punishment for slavery, it was a result of the NORTHERN STATES losing out on revenue to foreign countries via cheaper imports.

fify

 

[BearCat204]

So because I see the confederate flag as a symbol of racism, that makes me racist?

Did I say that?

 

[BeecherVol]

Interviewed? I went to school with them, grew up together, lived in the same community.

I see.

So you were close enough to these people that you knew they were racist regardless of whether they had a flag or not.

 

[AirVol]

I see.



So you were close enough to these people that you knew they were racist regardless of whether they had a flag or not.

Sounds very judgmental to me.

 

[hog88]

Sounds very judgmental to me.

Liberals are not judgmental, they are enlightened.

 

[AirVol]

Liberals are not judgmental, they are enlightened.

Believe their ways or you're a hater, racist or bigot. Amirite?

 

[hog88]

Believe their ways or you're a hater, racist or bigot. Amirite?

uright.