Fall of the Confederate Wall - Confederate Symbols Debate (Merged)

[apevol]

No, but thanks for playing.

You don't remember that song?

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

You don't remember that song?

Uneasy Rider. Sorry, I missed the reference.

 

[Vol8188]

That's their problem then. Prove, just because I own one (I actually do not) that I am a racist.

I've never said anyone who owns one is racist. I would say that many, probably even the majority, of those owning confederate flags are racist.

Out of curiosity do you feel the same about swastikas? Would you support your state displaying swastikas?

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

I've never said anyone who owns one is racist. I would say that many, probably even the majority, of those owning confederate flags are racist.

Out of curiosity do you feel the same about swastikas? Would you support your state displaying swastikas?

I'd rather they display swastikas than gator flags. Infinitely less offensive.

But I am pretty sure that there are no states that fought for Nazi Germany, so your point is a non sequitur.

... and actually you did say that anybody owning one is a racist. You said the flag was racist. "guilt" by association so to speak. I would actually like to have one for the historical significance. I am not the least bit threatened by it. I do not intend ti use it as a implement of intimidation. So does that make me racist? In your eyes, apparently it does.

 

[RikidyBones]

I've never said anyone who owns one is racist. I would say that many, probably even the majority, of those owning confederate flags are racist.

Out of curiosity do you feel the same about swastikas? Would you support your state displaying swastikas?

Not even close to the same thing. Its an exaggeration and is ridiculous.

 

[Vol8188]

I'd rather they display swastikas than gator flags. Infinitely less offensive.

But I am pretty sure that there are no states that fought for Nazi Germany, so your point is a non sequitur.

... and actually you did say that anybody owning one is a racist. You said the flag was racist. "guilt" by association so to speak. I would actually like to have one for the historical significance. I am not the least bit threatened by it. I do not intend ti use it as a implement of intimidation. So does that make me racist? In your eyes, apparently it does.

You're arguing that symbolism is essentially irrelevant. So my question does apply. Since the swatstika is considered by nearly everyone to be a symbol of racism (as is the confederate flag) and your state wanted to display one, would you support it?

 

[Vol8188]

Not even close to the same thing. Its an exaggeration and is ridiculous.

It's not ridiculus at all. Many people in here have argued that symbolism is irrelevant. So apparently displaying a swatstika on public land would be an acceptable thing to do.

 

[bowlinggreenvol]

I've never said anyone who owns one is racist. I would say that many, probably even the majority, of those owning confederate flags are racist.

Out of curiosity do you feel the same about swastikas? Would you support your state displaying swastikas?

The swastika was used by a group with an undeniable agenda. The Confederate flag was a flag of several armies/brigades fighting a war which for many had nothing to do with the institution of slavery. Would you support the flying of the Bonnie Blue Flag since morons didn't bastardize it after the war?

 

[RikidyBones]

It's not ridiculus at all. Many people in here have argued that symbolism is irrelevant. So apparently displaying a swatstika on public land would be an acceptable thing to do.

"Genocide" apparently doesn't mean anything to you.


See what I did there?

Beastility is to gay marriage as the swatsika is to the Confederate flag. :crazy:

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

You're arguing that symbolism is essentially irrelevant. So my question does apply. Since the swatstika is considered by nearly everyone to be a symbol of racism (as is the confederate flag) and your state wanted to display one, would you support it?

I do not support the waving of the rainbow flag, yet I am forced to "tolerate" it. Since I am a white guy I guess my "feelings" are irrelevant also.

 

[Obsessed]

To the majority of Americans it is 100% a symbol of racism.

Source?

 

[Obsessed]

I've never said anyone who owns one is racist. I would say that many, probably even the majority, of those owning confederate flags are racist.

Out of curiosity do you feel the same about swastikas? Would you support your state displaying swastikas?

Yet again...

Source?

 

[Vol8188]

The swastika was used by a group with an undeniable agenda. The Confederate flag was a flag of several armies/brigades fighting a war which for many had nothing to do with the institution of slavery. Would you support the flying of the Bonnie Blue Flag since morons didn't bastardize it after the war?

Do you believe the entire German army was racist? It's the same concept. No one is blaming the confederate soldiers. It's always the poor dying for the wealthy, that's how war works. And while to the soldiers themselves, it may not have been about slavery (just like how German soldiers probably weren't personally fighting for racial cleansing) But that doesn't change what their flag stands for.

And possibly. But what's wrong with flying an American flag?

 

[Vol8188]

Yet again...

Source?

Source? Personal experience. Have you seriously never meet or spoke to anyone with a confederate flag on their truck? Most of them don't do it to honor dead confederate soldiers, they do it to display their views.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

Source? Personal experience. Have you seriously never meet or spoke to anyone with a confederate flag on their truck? Most of them don't do it to honor dead confederate soldiers, they do it to display their views.

Well that seals it then. You speak for the majority of Americans

 

[Obsessed]

Source? Personal experience. Have you seriously never meet or spoke to anyone with a confederate flag on their truck? Most of them don't do it to honor dead confederate soldiers, they do it to display their views.

Personal experience? Have I ever meet or spoke to some one who owns one?

I do. I own one. I have since I was 15. My flag is older than you. I can assure you from personal experience, you are more of a racist and a bigot than my flag.

 

[Vol8188]

Source?

http://ri.search.yahoo.com/RV=1/RE=1436177403/RB=/RO=8/RU=http%3a%2f%2fwww.cnn.com%2f2015%2f07%2f02%2fpolitics%2fconfederate-flag-poll-racism-southern-pride%2findex.html/RS=^ADAgyeOx9_H4PN4gW1OBXVM_HoHNKA-

Looks like you may have been right on this one.

 

[Obsessed]

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Looks like you may have been right on this one.

Your link is broken.

 

[Vol8188]

Personal experience? Have I ever meet or spoke to some one who owns one?

I do. I own one. I have since I was 15. My flag is older than you. I can assure you from personal experience, you are more of a racist and a bigot than my flag.

Why do you own it?

Lol and tell me about my own racism. I'm interested.

 

[Vol8188]

Your link is broken.

http://ri.search.yahoo.com/RV=1/RE=1436177403/RB=/RO=8/RU=http%3a%2f%2fwww.cnn.com%2f2015%2f07%2f02%2fpolitics%2fconfederate-flag-poll-racism-southern-pride%2findex.html/RS=^ADAgyeOx9_H4PN4gW1OBXVM_HoHNKA-

It's just a CNN poll showing most don't see it as a racist symbol.

 

[Obsessed]

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It's just a CNN poll showing most don't see it as a racist symbol.

Last numbers I read up on we're over 70% stating as such.

So please, stop with the BS. Quit telling us the flag is a racist symbol by the majority in the country.

 

[apevol]

Last numbers I read up on we're over 70% stating as such.

So please, stop with the BS. Quit telling us the flag is a racist symbol by the majority in the country.

I think he just said he was wrong. Maybe I'm confused?

 

[Obsessed]

I think he just said he was wrong. Maybe I'm confused?

Yes. I'm rubbing it in.

His redundancy gets old.

 

[bowlinggreenvol]

Do you believe the entire German army was racist? It's the same concept. No one is blaming the confederate soldiers. It's always the poor dying for the wealthy, that's how war works. And while to the soldiers themselves, it may not have been about slavery (just like how German soldiers probably weren't personally fighting for racial cleansing) But that doesn't change what their flag stands for.

And possibly. But what's wrong with flying an American flag?

The War was not initially started over slavery so how could it be a symbol of slavery? The American flag can't represent the soldiers that fought for the Confederacy. At that point they didn't consider themselves American's anymore. Their representatives lost their right to vote when they seceded and were for all intents and purposes a separate country.

 

[Vol8188]

The War was not initially started over slavery so how could it be a symbol of slavery? The American flag can't represent the soldiers that fought for the Confederacy. At that point they didn't consider themselves American's anymore. Their representatives lost their right to vote when they seceded and were for all intents and purposes a separate country.

A seperate country that went to war with our own.

But so many of you keep trying to claim the cival war wasn't about slavery, yet when pressed on it none of you have a legitimate argument.

Would you like to make one?