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Obsessed said:
Cop Buys Lemonade At Girl
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Ropos had asked Gabrielle what she intended to do with the money she had raised, and she told him that she wanted to buy an iPad. As it turned out, the 22-year-old happened to have an old one at his house, but when he went home and turned it on, it didn’t work any longer.

“I went home that night, fired up the iPad, but it just wasn’t updated anymore … nothing really worked on it,” Ropos explained.

The next day, he hunted down a store that would split the cost of a new tablet for the little girl. Later in the afternoon, he went back to Gabrielle’s lemonade stand and presented her with the gift.
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So in the end, all he had invested in this entire deal was the glass of lemonade he bought. His original idea was to give her an old ipad he had around the house. Instead, he was able to persuade a store to go in for half of the cost.

Maybe the kudos and accolades need to go to the store. That cop just stole their limelight. The store didn't even get a plug or any recognition.
 
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MercyPercy said:
Something really stood out to me here:



Unless you're attempting to say that driving while on drugs should be punished the same as driving on alcohol, I have to read this a certain way. How can I ever expect to reason with someone who views;

A) Taking a drug in the privacy of their own home and not bothering anyone

B) Getting ****faced drunk and driving their car

as equally wrong acts? Probably one of the most absurd things I've ever read, and I had thought you had at least some potential to be rational here. I apologize if that's not what you meant, but that's how it reads to me.
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In my defense this was this morning right after feeding my son his morning bottle. So being clear wasn't my goal. Neither was staying awake to be honest.

You're right. I equate being on drugs while driving and drink driving the same and both should be strictly punished. So i was unclear there, apologies. I also see being in possession of an illegal drug as strictly punishable. Now, do I think we should go knocking on Joe and Billy bobs door to try and find them high to make an arrest? Absolutely not. But, if you're doing something you shouldn't and you've got an illegal substance on your person... I would throw the damn book at you and not feel at all bad about it.

Point being. If you're doing some sort of drug in the privacy of your own home then your probably not going to ever get caught or catch anything for it. But the second you do something illegal in public or draw attention to your house for let's say a domestic disturbance incident, then your fair game. I don't know many people that are staying at their house when doing drugs... However I shouldn't if they're staying at there house. For all I know there may be some like that, but I doubt it.

I somehow see the only way you're going to view someone at rational is by agreeing with your stance 100%. Which is irrational on its own.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
So in the end, all he had invested in this entire deal was the glass of lemonade he bought. His original idea was to give her an old ipad he had around the house. Instead, he was able to persuade a store to go in for half of the cost.

Maybe the kudos and accolades need to go to the store. That cop just stole their limelight. The store didn't even get a plug or any recognition.
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The cop paid for the other half and was not looking for accolades....a local station heard about it and ran a story on him and the girl....your cop hatred really shines through.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
So in the end, all he had invested in this entire deal was the glass of lemonade he bought. His original idea was to give her an old ipad he had around the house. Instead, he was able to persuade a store to go in for half of the cost.

Maybe the kudos and accolades need to go to the store. That cop just stole their limelight. The store didn't even get a plug or any recognition.
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You're wrong. The store stole the credit from Apple for making a malfunctioning product that created this whole incident so this "do gooder copper" could bend his immoral tax hording character into something it's not.

See how stupid that sounds?
 
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TNsnyper20 said:
In my defense this was this morning right after feeding my son his morning bottle. So being clear wasn't my goal. Neither was staying awake to be honest.

You're right. I equate being on drugs while driving and drink driving the same and both should be strictly punished. So i was unclear there, apologies.
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I don't have any problem with DUI covering all substances, even though some are far more potent at impairing your driving capabilities(coughalcoholcough), and I can't imagine a scenario where that wouldn't be the case in any form of legalization.

I also see being in possession of an illegal drug as strictly punishable.
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Why? Who are they hurting by simply being in possession of a substance?

Now, do I think we should go knocking on Joe and Billy bobs door to try and find them high to make an arrest? Absolutely not. But, if you're doing something you shouldn't and you've got an illegal substance on your person... I would throw the damn book at you and not feel at all bad about it.
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Why not just charge them with the crime they've committed? If they're stealing, charge them with theft. If they're attacking people, charge them with assault. It seems like there's already a system in place to punish these crimes without needing to legislate the morality of drugs on top of that.

Point being. If you're doing some sort of drug in the privacy of your own home then your probably not going to ever get caught or catch anything for it.
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So, because you "probably" won't get caught, don't worry about it? You should just be quiet and accept a law you feel is unjust because you might not get caught?

We have people on here who don't do any drugs at all anymore who are arguing the same points as I am. They certainly aren't afraid of getting caught for anything. Just because they feel they're unlikely to be victimized by these laws, doesn't mean they don't understand and feel for those that are.

Finally, it's not so unlikely as you'd like to think. For my anecdotal contribution, I have a friend who was literally doing drugs in his home(pot), minding his own business, and the cops showed up to his house mistaking it for his neighbor's. So because the cops made a mistake and went to the wrong house, they smelled the pot when he opened the door and he got arrested. Tore up his house searching for god knows what, I guess they thought he was some cartel boss.

But the second you do something illegal in public or draw attention to your house for let's say a domestic disturbance incident, then your fair game. I don't know many people that are staying at their house when doing drugs... However I shouldn't if they're staying at there house. For all I know there may be some like that, but I doubt it.
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What are you basing this guess on? Where do you think they're doing the drugs, unless they're homeless? Usually people get caught in public just possessing the drug, not using it.

I somehow see the only way you're going to view someone at rational is by agreeing with your stance 100%. Which is irrational on its own.
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I just believe our personal freedom extends to each individual having the choice what to put in his or her own body without threat of imprisonment. I see hypocrites who use legal substances that are, by all objective measures, far worse than many illegal substances and have the audacity to deny the truth about their own vices because they enjoy the illusion of the moral high ground which only exists in their minds.
 
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MercyPercy said:
I don't have any problem with DUI covering all substances, even though some are far more potent at impairing your driving capabilities(coughalcoholcough), and I can't imagine a scenario where that wouldn't be the case in any form of legalization.



Why? Who are they hurting by simply being in possession of a substance?



Why not just charge them with the crime they've committed? If they're stealing, charge them with theft. If they're attacking people, charge them with assault. It seems like there's already a system in place to punish these crimes without needing to legislate the morality of drugs on top of that.



So, because you "probably" won't get caught, don't worry about it? You should just be quiet and accept a law you feel is unjust because you might not get caught?

We have people on here who don't do any drugs at all anymore who are arguing the same points as I am. They certainly aren't afraid of getting caught for anything. Just because they feel they're unlikely to be victimized by these laws, doesn't mean they don't understand and feel for those that are.

Finally, it's not so unlikely as you'd like to think. For my anecdotal contribution, I have a friend who was literally doing drugs in his home(pot), minding his own business, and the cops showed up to his house mistaking it for his neighbor's. So because the cops made a mistake and went to the wrong house, they smelled the pot when he opened the door and he got arrested. Tore up his house searching for god knows what, I guess they thought he was some cartel boss.



What are you basing this guess on? Where do you think they're doing the drugs, unless they're homeless? Usually people get caught in public just possessing the drug, not using it.



I just believe our personal freedom extends to each individual having the choice what to put in his or her own body without threat of imprisonment. I see hypocrites who use legal substances that are, by all objective measures, far worse than many illegal substances and have the audacity to deny the truth about their own vices because they enjoy the illusion of the moral high ground which only exists in their minds.
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You're entire argument is based on the fact that it shouldn't be illegal to put whatever substance you want in your body. But the substances you are talking about are illegal. So it's a matter of following the law or not. And if you feel this highly about the drugs/substanves you're talking about.. Then move to a country that supports your views.

You call it bowing down to your master. I view it as following a set of rules put forth to keep us a functioning society.

We're going to continue to disagree on this subject.
 
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Carl Pickens said:
Very doubtful.....but had the dumb SOB not given them the finger he wouldn't have been pulled over.

We're the cops azzholes? Oh yeah.....but we all know they're like hornets ....... If you leave them alone they typically leave you alone..... Poke the best and you get stung..... Right or wrong.... That's how it is.
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United States Court of Appeals,Second Circuit: SWARTZ v. INSOGNA

There is just too much common sense in this ruling...

The issue then becomes whether, on the Plaintiffs' version of the facts, Insogna had reasonable suspicion that criminal activity or a traffic violation was afoot. The only act Insogna had observed prior to the stop that prompted him to initiate the stop was John's givingthe-finger gesture. Insogna acknowledged in his deposition that he had not observed any indication of a motor vehicle violation. He stated, somewhat inconsistently, that he thought John “was trying to get my attention for some reason” and that he “was concerned for the female driver.”

Perhaps there is a police officer somewhere who would interpret an automobile passenger's giving him the finger as a signal of distress, creating a suspicion that something occurring in the automobile warranted investigation. And perhaps that interpretation is what prompted Insogna to act, as he claims. But the nearly universal recognition that this gesture is an insult deprives such an interpretation of reasonableness. This ancient gesture of insult is not the basis for a reasonable suspicion of a traffic violation or impending criminal activity. Surely no passenger planning some wrongful conduct toward another occupant of an automobile would call attention to himself by giving the finger to a police officer. And if there might be an automobile passenger somewhere who will give the finger to a police officer as an ill-advised signal for help, it is far more consistent with all citizens' protection against improper police apprehension to leave that highly unlikely signal without a response than to lend judicial approval to the stopping of every vehicle from which a passenger makes that gesture.
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TNsnyper20 said:
You're entire argument is based on the fact that it shouldn't be illegal to put whatever substance you want in your body. But the substances you are talking about are illegal. So it's a matter of following the law or not. And if you feel this highly about the drugs/substanves you're talking about.. Then move to a country that supports your views.

You call it bowing down to your master. I view it as following a set of rules put forth to keep us a functioning society.

We're going to continue to disagree on this subject.
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Your entire argument is, if you don't like it leave. By having that argument, you basically reject the notion of self ownership, and hand over the rules of your life and body to the state.
 
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TNsnyper20 said:
You're entire argument is based on the fact that it shouldn't be illegal to put whatever substance you want in your body. But the substances you are talking about are illegal. So it's a matter of following the law or not. And if you feel this highly about the drugs/substanves you're talking about.. Then move to a country that supports your views.

You call it bowing down to your master. I view it as following a set of rules put forth to keep us a functioning society.

We're going to continue to disagree on this subject.
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The argument is much much more than simply freedom to self intoxicate.
 
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TNsnyper20 said:
You're entire argument is based on the fact that it shouldn't be illegal to put whatever substance you want in your body.
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Essentially correct, in very simplified terms.

But the substances you are talking about are illegal.
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Uh, yeah. That's why the argument is being made.

So it's a matter of following the law or not.
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I don't know what conversation you think you've been having, but just so we're perfectly clear, I know they are illegal. I'm saying they shouldn't be illegal, and the laws are unjust. So, when those unjust laws are being enforced, a wrong has been done. That's my argument. Parroting "it's the law so you should follow it" isn't really adding anything to the discussion.

And if you feel this highly about the drugs/substanves you're talking about.. Then move to a country that supports your views.
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"If you don't like it you can leave!"

Surprised it took this long to pull that worn out card.

You call it bowing down to your master. I view it as following a set of rules put forth to keep us a functioning society.
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If you can properly demonstrate how these laws are keeping us a functioning society, I encourage you to do so. That's what I'm looking for. I want someone to make a real argument instead of saying things like "it's the law," as if we weren't already aware. I want you to make an argument that these laws are doing more good than bad. Not just tell me they're for the good of society, but show me. Support that claim.

We're going to continue to disagree on this subject.
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Unfortunately, all your responses might as well have been "I disagree," because that's practically all you've said. I'm bringing reason, facts, statistics, medical information, actual evidence, etc in support of my argument. You've brought anecdotal evidence, feelings, and retorts limited to "I disagree," and "it's the law." It seems like you aren't interested in doing the research to support your opinion, which makes me feel like I'm out here on the dance floor busting some sweet moves and you, my shy(but quite handsome) date, are shuffling your feet in the corner.

C'mon, dance with me.
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
Your entire argument is, if you don't like it leave. By having that argument, you basically reject the notion of self ownership, and hand over the rules of your life and body to the state.
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By leaving wouldn't I be taking the rules of the state and shoving them up theirs? If enough people leave then the state runs dry doesn't it?
 
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MercyPercy said:
Essentially correct, in very simplified terms.



Uh, yeah. That's why the argument is being made.



I don't know what conversation you think you've been having, but just so we're perfectly clear, I know they are illegal. I'm saying they shouldn't be illegal, and the laws are unjust. So, when those unjust laws are being enforced, a wrong has been done. That's my argument. Parroting "it's the law so you should follow it" isn't really adding anything to the discussion.



"If you don't like it you can leave!"

Surprised it took this long to pull that worn out card.



If you can properly demonstrate how these laws are keeping us a functioning society, I encourage you to do so. That's what I'm looking for. I want someone to make a real argument instead of saying things like "it's the law," as if we weren't already aware. I want you to make an argument that these laws are doing more good than bad. Not just tell me they're for the good of society, but show me. Support that claim.



Unfortunately, all your responses might as well have been "I disagree," because that's practically all you've said. I'm bringing reason, facts, statistics, medical information, actual evidence, etc in support of my argument. You've brought anecdotal evidence, feelings, and retorts limited to "I disagree," and "it's the law." It seems like you aren't interested in doing the research to support your opinion, which makes me feel like I'm out here on the dance floor busting some sweet moves and you, my shy(but quite handsome) date, are shuffling your feet in the corner.

C'mon, dance with me.
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I agree. I am quite handsome. :)

Ever dance with the devil in the pale moonlight?
 
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MercyPercy said:
Considering I've been labeled as an antichrist on this forum, I guess that would mean I'm dancing with myself.

Edit: Ape done beat me.
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Meh.. Some people aren't willing to let people speak freely on their views. As long as your not going around killing people you're going to be far from a devil in my book.
 
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TNsnyper20 said:
Got some yeungling light beside me as I type this. About to watch game of thrones though.

Good beer.
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Never liked light beers. I only drank wine when I watched game of thrones. 5 liters split between two people 2 or 3 episodes a night. I read the book halfway sober, so I remember it much better..
 
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