To Protect and to Serve...

[MercyPercy]

Drugs don't turn you into a thief. Weak character turns you into a thief.

 

[TNsnyper20]

As Mercy has so wonderfully pointed out, these drugs being illegal simply strengthens the cartels. It isn't hard to figure this out, this country has been fighting the war on drugs since the early 70's and have made 0 difference.
It's past time to legalize and hell, regulate it if you want. Just stop the violence and the destruction of people's lives over a vice they have. Stop the killing.

I agree with this to an extent(weed), but there are still drugs that I feel cannot be legalized. However unlike yourself if I ever feel like my personal freedoms are in complete jeopardy and I can no longer "bow to the master" (I find this funny) then I will happily find another country to live in. Until then... I follow the laws that keep us somewhat civilized.

 

[TNsnyper20]

Drugs don't turn you into a thief. Weak character turns you into a thief.

Drugs will make you do things that your character would normally not allow. Simply because when you're inebriated you are no longer in character.This statement of yours is utterly disappointing and completely full of crap.

Unless you're saying that your weak character is what allowed you to become addicted in the first place. Then I would agree with you.

 

[apevol]

Drugs will make you do things that your character would normally not allow. Simply because when you're inebriated you are no longer in character.This statement of yours is utterly disappointing and completely full of crap.

Unless you're saying that your weak character is what allowed you to become addicted in the first place. Then I would agree with you.

I've been addicted to essentially all the 'hardest' drugs there are, and never once stole to support the habit. I cleaned up a couple years ago, and now I just drink. I'm not interested in hearing you absolve people of their **** behavior by blaming it on a drug, or whoever got them hooked.

 

[MercyPercy]

Drugs will make you do things that your character would normally not allow. Simply because when you're inebriated you are no longer in character.This statement of yours is utterly disappointing and completely full of crap.

Unless you're saying that your weak character is what allowed you to become addicted in the first place. Then I would agree with you.

That's not the same thing as "making someone a thief."

Further, what about that is different than alcohol? People do a lot of dumb **** they wouldn't normally do when they're wasted. Ban booze. It sucks when your own logic contradicts your opinion, doesn't it?

 

[TNsnyper20]

I've been addicted to essentially all the 'hardest' drugs there are, and never once stole to support the habit. I cleaned up a couple years ago, and now I just drink. I'm not interested in hearing you absolve people of their **** behavior by blaming it on a drug, or whoever got them hooked.

First. I'm very happy you got cleaned up. And I honestly mean that. Those are the stories you hope for.

Second. I give someone absolutely no excuse for stealing or being a useless tool to society simply because they are addicted. Regardless of the reason, the crime was done, and they must accept the consequences of their actions. However, I'm not going to sit hear and say that their addiction had nothing to do with the reason they did what they did. Again... Addiction can lead you to do things you wouldn't normally do. But it's your own fault for putting yourself in that situation to begin with.

 

[TNsnyper20]

That's not the same thing as "making someone a thief."

Further, what about that is different than alcohol? People do a lot of dumb **** they wouldn't normally do when they're wasted. Ban booze. It sucks when your own logic contradicts your opinion, doesn't it?

Call me a hypocrite. You're not going to get me to agree with banning booze. Plus prohibition was a real success.

 

[apevol]

First. I'm very happy you got cleaned up. And I honestly mean that. Those are the stories you hope for.

Second. I give someone absolutely no excuse for stealing or being a useless tool to society simply because they are addicted. Regardless of the reason, the crime was done, and they must accept the consequences of their actions. However, I'm not going to sit hear and say that their addiction had nothing to do with the reason they did what they did. Again... Addiction can lead you to do things you wouldn't normally do. But it's your own fault for putting yourself in that situation to begin with.

There are too many people telling addicts that drugs are what caused their character flaws. There are too many thieves getting reduced or no sentences because their lawyer cries about their addiction. There are too many decent people going to jail for doing drugs because known thieves rat them out in order to avoid jail time.

 

[MercyPercy]

Call me a hypocrite. You're not going to get me to agree with banning booze.

I don't have to call you one, you've admitted to it throughout these last few pages.

Plus prohibition was a real success.

Now we're getting somewhere. So, you understand prohibition was a total failure and caused more problems than it solved. If only you could recognize we have the same exact thing going on now(war on drugs), which has been a colossal failure at preventing people from using drugs, and a colossal success at supporting violent cartels, funding police departments, and basically creating the massive prison industrial complex in the United States.

But again, this would require you to be consistent in your views, and you've already shown how unwilling you are to do just that.

 

[TNsnyper20]

There are too many people telling addicts that drugs are what caused their character flaws. There are too many thieves getting reduced or no sentences because their lawyer cries about their addiction. There are too many decent people going to jail for doing drugs because known thieves rat them out in order to avoid jail time.

I agree to all of this except the fact of telling someone their addiction didn't have anything to do with what they did. The addiction will almost always have something to do with what they did. Whether it be the direct reason or not it still influenced the action.

The person in Miami that was eating the other guys face about a year or so ago. You mean to tell me he was going to eat someone's face regardless of the drugs he was taking? You know as well at I do the drugs he was on/taking was the cause behind that.

 

[apevol]

I agree to all of this except the fact of telling someone their addiction didn't have anything to do with what they did. The addiction will almost always have something to do with what they did. Whether it be the direct reason or not it still influenced the action.

The person in Miami that was eating the other guys face about a year or so ago. You mean to tell me he was going to eat someone's face regardless of the drugs he was taking? You know as well at I do the drugs he was on/taking was the cause behind that.

I'm 100% certain that unless he was taking deliriants, eating someone's face had much much more to do with that man than it did drugs.

 

[apevol]

There are many legal deliriants, btw.

 

[TNsnyper20]

I don't have to call you one, you've admitted to it throughout these last few pages.



Now we're getting somewhere. So, you understand prohibition was a total failure and caused more problems than it solved. If only you could recognize we have the same exact thing going on now(war on drugs), which has been a colossal failure at preventing people from using drugs, and a colossal success at supporting violent cartels, funding police departments, and basically creating the massive prison industrial complex in the United States.

But again, this would require you to be consistent in your views, and you've already shown how unwilling you are to do just that.

I've never said I was for a war on drugs. Go back and read.

I have been consistent in my views. Alcohol remains legal with the current laws and restrictions on it. Legalize weed with those same restrictions on it. Other illegal drugs remain that way. I do not use weed however I don't see and real issues with legalizing it. So there is no personal gain there. Alcohol remains legal because banning it would create far more issues than anything else. I'm not against creating stricter punishment for those who drink and drive though as I know how that can destroy lives.

 

[MercyPercy]

Most people are getting their opinions about drugs from movies, TV, media reports(man on drugs eats guy's face!) and/or from ****ty family members who also happen to be drug users. They aren't researching the substances, they have no medical experience or personal experience to make the type of judgments they're making. Like most issues that we can't seem to resolve in this country, being educated, or at the very least, well informed, on a topic would solve a lot of problems.

 

[TNsnyper20]

I'm 100% certain that unless he was taking deliriants, eating someone's face had much much more to do with that man than it did drugs.

I want to say he was on some sort of bath salt. Honestly i can't remember and I'm to lazy to look it up right now. But...to say it didn't influence him or his character would be false.

 

[TNsnyper20]

Most people are getting their opinions about drugs from movies, TV, media reports(man on drugs eats guy's face!) and/or from ****ty family members who also happen to be drug users. They aren't researching the substances, they have no medical experience or personal experience to make the type of judgments they're making. Like most issues that we can't seem to resolve in this country, being educated, or at the very least, well informed, on a topic would solve a lot of problems.

How do family problems not qualify as personal experience? Or do you only qualify personal experience as trying the drug for ones self?

 

[apevol]

I want to say he was on some sort of bath salt. Honestly i can't remember and I'm to lazy to look it up right now. But...to say it didn't influence him or his character would be false.

The only drug found in his system was weed. And if he was on bath salts..who the hell would use bath salts if they could have easier, safer access to cocaine? Its unlikely they tested his blood for a deliriant, so that's still a possibility.

 

[MercyPercy]

I've never said I was for a war on drugs. Go back and read.

If you want to put someone in jail for using a substance, you're for the war on drugs.

I have been consistent in my views.

I don't think so. In order for you to argue from the perspective that some substances should be illegal due to their harmful effects to the user and the rest of society, you would have to believe that alcohol is not significantly harmful to the user and society if you don't think it should be illegal. This is obviously a contradiction.

Alcohol remains legal with the current laws and restrictions on it. Legalize weed with those same restrictions on it. Other illegal drugs remain that way. I do not use weed however I don't see and real issues with legalizing it. So there is no personal gain there.

Why just weed? What are your specific contentions with drugs like LSD, mushrooms, and ecstasy? These are drugs that are nowhere near as addictive as alcohol, and their long term health risks pale in comparison to alcohol. We'll start off with those and work our way up to the harder stuff.

Alcohol remains legal because banning it would create far more issues than anything else.

So, the only reason you don't support alcohol prohibition is because it has proven it doesn't work and causes more problems than it solves. Otherwise, you'd be all for getting rid of it. Is this accurate?

How has banning other drugs worked out for us? Or did you just stop paying attention after the 21st amendment?

I'm not against creating stricter punishment for those who drink and drive though as I know how that can destroy lives.

I don't know what this has to do with anything.

 

[MercyPercy]

How do family problems not qualify as personal experience? Or do you only qualify personal experience as trying the drug for ones self?

How else would you know for sure, unless you are a chemist?

 

[tim]

What happened here, Tim?

Not sure. Was not there and will withold my judgement until the facts come out. Excuse me for not blindly believing everything I read. Especially something from that website.

 

[tim]

I guess it's because the press releases are so few and far between, I forget about them. Then again, the SOP is you guys investigate yourself, and find no wrong doing. Unless it receives mass media attention huh... Then you may suspend a cop for a week or so, paid leave of course.

Im not sure if this is serious... Cops are being fired for wearing "offensive" underwear these days. I guess thoughts are next.

 

[tim]

If you want to put someone in jail for using a substance, you're for the war on drugs.



I don't think so. In order for you to argue from the perspective that some substances should be illegal due to their harmful effects to the user and the rest of society, you would have to believe that alcohol is not significantly harmful to the user and society if you don't think it should be illegal. This is obviously a contradiction.



Why just weed? What are your specific contentions with drugs like LSD, mushrooms, and ecstasy? These are drugs that are nowhere near as addictive as alcohol, and their long term health risks pale in comparison to alcohol. We'll start off with those and work our way up to the harder stuff.



So, the only reason you don't support alcohol prohibition is because it has proven it doesn't work and causes more problems than it solves. Otherwise, you'd be all for getting rid of it. Is this accurate?

How has banning other drugs worked out for us? Or did you just stop paying attention after the 21st amendment?



I don't know what this has to do with anything.

The war on drugs has been a splendid success. How anyone can argue otherwise is quite ridiculous. Now if you disagree with the laws then I guess I can see your point, but seizures and arrests are astronomical.

 

[volbeast33]

I've been addicted to essentially all the 'hardest' drugs there are, and never once stole to support the habit. I cleaned up a couple years ago, and now I just drink. I'm not interested in hearing you absolve people of their **** behavior by blaming it on a drug, or whoever got them hooked.

Why did you stop taking drugs?

 

[apevol]

Why did you stop taking drugs?

I stopped taking various drugs for various reasons.

Short version is, I was alarmed by how certain drugs made me feel a mix of complete gratification along with a sense of boredom and apathy. Also, the situations and people I was around started becoming traumatic. I didn't want to be addicted to them anymore and I couldn't justify knowing some of the things and people that I knew.

 

[hog88]

Im not sure if this is serious... Cops are being fired for wearing "offensive" underwear these days. I guess thoughts are next.

Come on Tim, I'd fire one of my employees if they posted something so stupid.