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#351
SamRebel35 said:
I don't follow. Didn't Verizon just sell tens of billions of dollars worth of cell towers by their own volition?
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You just can't picture an example can you. Are you and 88 brothers?

AS AN EXAMPLE, if Verizon wanted to create a monopoly, with no government intervention, they would buy all the towers (I would say they could buy most of them) and either not allow usage or charge an astronomical rate to competition to use the network. Your idealistic dream of the government creating all monopolies is BS at best. There are some things that require an infrastructure to run and I for one am glad of a little bit of fair play regulation.
 
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#352
BeecherVol said:
The carriers have figured out its easier to rent tower space from the Crown Castles, American Towers and SBAs of the world. A lot of the towers now have multiple carriers on them. Lot different than it used to be.
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Whuuuuu? Something other than government intervention preventing a monopoly from occurring? Market forces? Impossible!

/Blue font
 
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#355
82_VOL_83 said:
You just can't picture an example can you. Are you and 88 brothers?

AS AN EXAMPLE, if Verizon wanted to create a monopoly, with no government intervention, they would buy all the towers (I would say they could buy most of them) and either not allow usage or charge an astronomical rate to competition to use the network. Your idealistic dream of the government creating all monopolies is BS at best. There are some things that require an infrastructure to run and I for one am glad of a little bit of fair play regulation.
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If Verizon could help their cause by buying all of the towers, and they had the ability, then they would. As it is, they are selling them by the boat load. So one or both of those stipulations is untrue.
 
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#356
n_huffhines said:
The fact that you have some say in who they are has almost 0 impact on how they behave.

You vote with your dollars when you buy anything, so you do have say over who has power over you. In a contract, each party holds some power. Every time you enter into a contract you are choosing and nobody else chooses for you. It's not subject to mass vote.
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Who will be printing the dollars? Hell for that matter what would a monetary system look like, would it be precious metals and barter?

Who would enforce contracts, the guys with the guns?
 
#357
#357
BeecherVol said:
The carriers have figured out its easier to rent tower space from the Crown Castles, American Towers and SBAs of the world. A lot of the towers now have multiple carriers on them. Lot different than it used to be.
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Exactly, when you are required by regulation to play fair, many things just get too expensive. Without that regulation we would still be paying $0.35 a minute for cell service.
 
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#358
SamRebel35 said:
You have approximately 1/150,000 say in who is in power. Don't kid yourself into thinking that your vote meant anything.
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At least I have a vote. Under anarchy it's all about brute force and coercion.
 
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#359
SamRebel35 said:
If Verizon could help their cause by buying all of the towers, and they had the ability, then they would. As it is, they are selling them by the boat load. So one or both of those stipulations is untrue.
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I give, it's like talking to a 10 year old. And yes it is market forces, government driven market forces. I don't expect you to understand.
 
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#362
SamRebel35 said:
If Verizon could help their cause by buying all of the towers, and they had the ability, then they would. As it is, they are selling them by the boat load. So one or both of those stipulations is untrue.
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I don't pretend to know all the ins and outs of why, but its hard not to point to $ in most all cases. Theres an enormous amount floating around to everyone (including the land owners).
 
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#364
82_VOL_83 said:
I give, it's like talking to a 10 year old. And yes it is market forces, government driven market forces. I don't expect you to understand.
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What do you think the government has done to keep Verizon from buying cell towers?
 
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#367
n_huffhines said:
Who promised those things?

The reason why you can't stay on topic is because you don't know how to take on the points that are actually made. If anarchy is so preposterous, then you should be able to easily defeat the arguments that people put forth.
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as hog said i feel we have made our arguments and you continue to reject them, we have reached an impasse of opinion and so i moved on. and frankly i don't need to prove it because there have been real life examples of this and it never works out. either a lot of people get killed in unsafe conditions, bad people move in and the locals can't stop them or they find themselves vastly incapable of not being able to support themselves. again look at freetown in amesterdam. fail, fail, fail. then you can also look at time before the government stepped up, life sucked back then. cocaine in drinks, cyanide, lead, arsenic in foods. cities burning down from unsafe conditions. unpotable drinking water. government took care of that.
 
#368
#368
hog88 said:
Who will be printing the dollars? Hell for that matter what would a monetary system look like, would it be precious metals and barter?

Who would enforce contracts, the guys with the guns?
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LMAO. Currency is what you are worried about? The market currently provides us with currency.

Contracts would be enforced by the contracted parties, protection agencies, and social pressures. It's not a fail-proof system, but it's not like government provides us with a fail-proof system.
 
#370
#370
DinkinFlicka said:
To all opposes of anarchy, how do you define freedom?
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personal freedom? Tough call because freedom to do something doesn't mean freedom from consequences of the action.

In the end, in all explanations of anarchy I've heard you aren't free of consequences; it's just that some individual or group may be the inflicter of punishment rather than some formal government.

So, technically I'm free now to do whatever I want but the laws may mean I face consequences.

In AnCap, it will be Huff's private security firm that smacks me down and in the OPs' it will be a bunch of smelly hippies
 
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#372
DinkinFlicka said:
To all opposes of anarchy, how do you define freedom?
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life, liberty (which to me is freedom defined by laws and protected by such laws, or at the very least a defined (so limited) freedom) and the pursuit of happiness. if i have those things i have freedom.
 
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#373
LouderVol said:
as hog said i feel we have made our arguments and you continue to reject them, we have reached an impasse of opinion and so i moved on. and frankly i don't need to prove it because there have been real life examples of this and it never works out. either a lot of people get killed in unsafe conditions, bad people move in and the locals can't stop them or they find themselves vastly incapable of not being able to support themselves. again look at freetown in amesterdam. fail, fail, fail. then you can also look at time before the government stepped up, life sucked back then. cocaine in drinks, cyanide, lead, arsenic in foods. cities burning down from unsafe conditions. unpotable drinking water. government took care of that.
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Actually, fairly anarchistic, communal, self-sufficient communities have been implemented and have survived and prospered. Anarchy/communal communities can do very well on a very small scale, with the overseeing protection of a law-giving government. The problem anarchists have is that anarchy can never hold its own when it the is 'law' of the land.

With that said, I'd love to see more self-sufficient communities pop up. It is a net positive when people can get along and produce more than they consume. And self-sufficiency is the best way to escape the debt-trap, over-taxed, mass-consumption pit our current rat race has become. Produce more for yourself. Your income goes down. Your debt goes down/disappears. Your tax load almost disappears. And you need little from others, so you don't need others to support your decisions.

The problem is that our current gov'ts are starting to make war on people who try to do this. They use massive regulation and codes to keep people plugged into the system and rat race.

I can see both sides of it. Our gov't is crooked. It's a necessary evil.
 
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n_huffhines said:
LMAO. Currency is what you are worried about? The market currently provides us with currency.

Contracts would be enforced by the contracted parties, protection agencies, and social pressures. It's not a fail-proof system, but it's not like government provides us with a fail-proof system.
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WTH? What will be used for tender, what will I have to carry to the grocery store to buy my food? Something Wal-Mart prints? It's a legitimate question.

Either you use precious metals or a barter system in the absence of a government backed currency.

As for your protection agencies, we've been over this BS. The biggest and most ruthless win.
 
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#375
hog88 said:
WTH? What will be used for tender, what will I have to carry to the grocery store to buy my food? Something Wal-Mart prints? It's a legitimate question.

Either you use precious metals or a barter system in the absence of a government backed currency.
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The best currency will be the most used one. Whether that's precious metals, bills backed by precious metals, bitcoin, or something else, people will use whatever works best.
 
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