To Protect and to Serve...

[Grand Vol]

So that's where my buddy Nolan went...

No, he got the work release program to cut the grass.

And not the kind of grass you would want.

 

[Grand Vol]

So you're changing the criteria now that you realize you can't produce any evidence that I respond how you claimed I do?

Stupid is stupid no matter how wrongly I may have phrased it.

 

[apevol]

No, he got the work release program to cut the grass.

And not the kind of grass you would want.

I can't smoke that stuff anymore, man. Hell, I can't do anything anymore. Liquor makes my belly bleed, beer makes me **** for hours the next day. I'll never touch any sort of stimulant for the rest of my life. Benzos turn me into a gigantic moron. I haven't tried jankem yet...never will. They'll probably find me down by the river injecting pure psilocybin, babbling about how I just can't seem to find a decent supplement for weed.

 

[Cdywolfe]

Stupid is stupid no matter how wrongly I may have phrased it.

I'll take that as a yes?

 

[Grand Vol]

I'll take that as a yes?

Take that I was mistaken in you falling back on selected past cases? Yes, I was mistaken.

Mistaken for you making dumb comments? No.

 

[Carl Pickens]

You know, I should just stop there, but I just can't help myself.

Defending cops? Hey idiot child:



Does this look like I'm defending anyone here?

You really do need to grow up and be more mature about posting on here. If you can't take everything that a person posts in context or accept their explanation without losing your damn mind over things you have no clue about, perhaps you shouldn't post.

Advice for you:

Grow up

Take a reading comprehension course

Grow up

Learn to accept explanations even if you don't agree with them

Grow up more

Take everything in context and stop cherry picking

Again, grow up

And finally, put me on ignore. You don't like what I have to say? Easy, put me on ignore you childish imbecile.

Are you trying to say Ras should grow up or what?

 

[Grand Vol]

I'll take that as a yes?

Here you go:

Likely meant in sarcasm, but knowing your attitude towards cops, there's no telling:

Seems confusing… They should really come up with a set criteria of when cops can mess with people and their property.

Here's a good one of you stereotyping me although there are far worse "bossy and condescending" people on this forum that aren't LEOs.

Also... The bossy and condescending way you talk to people coupled with how easily you fly off the handle makes it no surprise you are/used to be law enforcement.

Here's another brilliant post about the "extortionists":

Maybe they get tired of seeing them sit on the side of the road and extort people just trying to get to and from work/school instead of helping people like they're supposed to? I know I pass 3 road pirates every day sitting in the same spot and each day I get a little more frustrated.

This is a good one about "are cops bad people"

As human beings? No

As law enforcement agents? Yes

I like this example of you insinuating something sinister was going on when a personally owned camera didn't work even though the incident was captured on another camera:

I know that is pretty wild… His camera just so happen to be broken on the day he's involved in a shooting and clearly had the best angle of what happened. What are the odds?

Here's an entertaining bit where a traffic stop is now "kidnapping"

Kidnap
:to seize and detain or carry away by unlawful force or fraud and often with a demand for ransom.

What part of that scenario doesn't meet that definition?

Here's the jewel you posted about the InfoWars video that you had zero further information for and didn't want to research further and trust some notably unreliable web site instead:

Okay... All I'm saying is that regardless of how you want to attempt to manipulate it, the video shows a LEO turning a non-violent situation violent. What happened prior to the filming and why they were there doesn't change that. For that reason, he should be ashamed of himself.

And I know nothing of the incident but if it is true that they charged him with littering when he spit out his gum, then they're scumbags. Like I said, that may not be true I'm far too tired to look it up.

And here you equate flipping someone off to standing up for their rights:

So people who non-violently stand up for the rights and themselves and others should be pepper-sprayed, beaten, and caged even though they've broken no law?

I'm still waiting to get tased for driving over the speed limit:

It's like I tell everybody... You think traffic laws aren't enforced with violence? Then don't comply and see what happens. Your taxes are taken through threat of violence? Then don't pay them and see what happens.

I really don't feel like going back any more than I have. Except the fact you love to toss around the word "coward" and "bully" and "douchebag" when speaking of LEOs and really love to stereotype each and every one of them into this evil being you've created in your mind.

 

[DEFENDTHISHOUSE]

For the record, cops are extortionist by definition because they use threats of violence to obtain compliance. I.E. Paying of fines for disobeying the arbitrary demands and commands of the political class.

Let's take a look at the definition of the word extortion.
According to the definition, Extortion is; the practice of obtaining something, especially money, through force or threats.

But, suddenly it somehow becomes ok when we call it law, right?

 

[DEFENDTHISHOUSE]

US Policing: The Existential Threat to All Human Liberty in North America by Bill Buppert | ZeroGov

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Grand Vol unintentionally opened up a can of worms by going after doctors and politicians. If a citizen makes a charge against their neighbor or peer, the police show up to the scene, interrogate, and then make arrests. At that point, the arrested citizen must go through the system and have their day in court.

But what you heard from Grand was very interesting. He said they don't go after doctors because the DA won't prosecute them. They don't go after politicians that engage in spreading war for some other unknown reason, even though we haven't declared war since Pearl Harbor. Not to mention that banksters like Jamie Dimon and Lloyd Blankfein can commit financial crimes against humanity and simply pay billions in fines to get out of jail.

Cops are the bane of the common man. They have no problem making life miserable for us because we are the low hanging fruit. So they harass us with their busted tag lights, rolling stops, corner weed dealer, home poker games, 3 months late on child support, loose cigarette sales, carrying too much cash, running from the cops when no crime has been committed, refusing to give a name when no crime has been committed, kids selling lemonade, feeding the homeless without a license, dark tinted windows, flipping off a cop, and so on and so on.

Yet, apparently, cops know there are doctors killing people (either through negligence or over-prescribing), and they are aware that the Constitution says that before you engage in war, Congress has to declare war, yet these corrupt cops don't do jack squat to stop that.

 

[jp1]

Grand Vol unintentionally opened up a can of worms by going after doctors and politicians. If a citizen makes a charge against their neighbor or peer, the police show up to the scene, interrogate, and then make arrests. At that point, the arrested citizen must go through the system and have their day in court.

But what you heard from Grand was very interesting. He said they don't go after doctors because the DA won't prosecute them. They don't go after politicians that engage in spreading war for some other unknown reason, even though we haven't declared war since Pearl Harbor. Not to mention that banksters like Jamie Dimon and Lloyd Blankfein can commit financial crimes against humanity and simply pay billions in fines to get out of jail.

Cops are the bane of the common man. They have no problem making life miserable for us because we are the low hanging fruit. So they harass us with their busted tag lights, rolling stops, corner weed dealer, home poker games, 3 months late on child support, loose cigarette sales, carrying too much cash, running from the cops when no crime has been committed, refusing to give a name when no crime has been committed, kids selling lemonade, feeding the homeless without a license, dark tinted windows, flipping off a cop, and so on and so on.

Yet, apparently, cops know there are doctors killing people (either through negligence or over-prescribing), and they are aware that the Constitution says that before you engage in war, Congress has to declare war, yet these corrupt cops don't do jack squat to stop that.

Your war with law enforcement has really turned sad.

"They know doctors are killing people" and are doing absolutely nothing!

Dude, you made me bust a friggin gut laughing. Im calling the cops because you injured me and almost died laughing at your comments.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Your war with law enforcement has really turned sad.

"They know doctors are killing people" and are doing absolutely nothing!

Dude, you made me bust a friggin gut laughing. Im calling the cops because you injured me and almost died laughing at your comments.

Your boy Grand Vol is making that claim. He's saying that negligent doctors kill 10X more people than cops do, yet they don't go to jail. I told him that it means that the cops aren't doing enough to get these killers off the streets...

 

[FLVOL_79]

For the record, cops are extortionist by definition because they use threats of violence to obtain compliance. I.E. Paying of fines for disobeying the arbitrary demands and commands of the political class.

Let's take a look at the definition of the word extortion.
According to the definition, Extortion is; the practice of obtaining something, especially money, through force or threats.

But, suddenly it somehow becomes ok when we call it law, right?

Jesus..

I suggest you get a go pro and start tearing down these freedom barriers! First ignore all, and I mean ALL traffic laws! Red lights? Pfft better dead than red right? Next maybe some rape or battery, I'm kind of on the fence on where to start on that one. Afterwards you can slide into some murder. I mean laws, who needs em? I'm sure if you explain to the police that they are freedom infringing extortionists they will just let it all slide.

Maybe the Poleece will lay down their weapons and walk off the job. We as a "society" could police ourselves much better than the evil extortionist pig. I mean just look at St.Louis, Milwaukee, New York City, and Baltimore! They are beacons of a LEO free society! Hell's bells I feel like picking up and moving to one of those LEO free zones! I can almost taste the freedom, liberty, and unfettered happiness!

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5FzCeV0ZFc[/youtube]

 

[Cdywolfe]

Here you go:

Likely meant in sarcasm, but knowing your attitude towards cops, there's no telling:



Here's a good one of you stereotyping me although there are far worse "bossy and condescending" people on this forum that aren't LEOs.



Here's another brilliant post about the "extortionists":



This is a good one about "are cops bad people"



I like this example of you insinuating something sinister was going on when a personally owned camera didn't work even though the incident was captured on another camera:



Here's an entertaining bit where a traffic stop is now "kidnapping"



Here's the jewel you posted about the InfoWars video that you had zero further information for and didn't want to research further and trust some notably unreliable web site instead:



And here you equate flipping someone off to standing up for their rights:



I'm still waiting to get tased for driving over the speed limit:



I really don't feel like going back any more than I have. Except the fact you love to toss around the word "coward" and "bully" and "douchebag" when speaking of LEOs and really love to stereotype each and every one of them into this evil being you've created in your mind.

That's a very long-winded way of saying you couldn't find anything.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Jesus..

I suggest you get a go pro and start tearing down these freedom barriers! First ignore all, and I mean ALL traffic laws! Red lights? Pfft better dead than red right? Next maybe some rape or battery, I'm kind of on the fence on where to start on that one. Afterwards you can slide into some murder. I mean laws, who needs em? I'm sure if you explain to the police that they are freedom infringing extortionists they will just let it all slide.

Maybe the Poleece will lay down their weapons and walk off the job. We as a "society" could police ourselves much better than the evil extortionist pig. I mean just look at St.Louis, Milwaukee, New York City, and Baltimore! They are beacons of a LEO free society! Hell's bells I feel like picking up and moving to one of those LEO free zones! I can almost taste the freedom, liberty, and unfettered happiness!

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5FzCeV0ZFc[/youtube]

Your response seems to indicate that you believe that there is a slippery slope between not zealously enforcing traffic laws and not enforcing rape and murder when in fact, there is no connection between the two. There has been a consistent theme in here that cops should go after people that commit crimes... meaning actions that damage or disturb life, limb or property. And as Grand Vol brought up last night, we need them to zealous enforce laws for both lower classes and upper classes. It shouldn't matter if a DA prosecutes it or not. If you have to gum up the system to make change happen by throwing politicians and corrupt doctors/lawyers/clergymen in jail, then so be it. If the testimony of a crackhead is good enough to put a common corner crook in handcuffs, then the testimony of a grieving father after seeing a negligent doctor butcher his wife or child should be just as good (I really don't think we should go that far, I just want Grand Vol's complaint about negligent doctors to run to its dystopic demise where you will see doctors fleeing the profession over fear of being accused of being negligent).

 

[Cdywolfe]

Also GV... I am not at all complaining cause (a) I don't care and (b) not a single thing you quoted, even in a vaccum, is the slightest bit damning. With that said... Basically every thing you quoted was massively taken out of context. You either have no desire to accurately decipt my stance or have no ability to accurately commprehend it. My guess is a little of both.

 

[volbeast33]

Your response seems to indicate that you believe that there is a slippery slope between not zealously enforcing traffic laws and not enforcing rape and murder when in fact, there is no connection between the two. There has been a consistent theme in here that cops should go after people that commit crimes... meaning actions that damage or disturb life, limb or property. And as Grand Vol brought up last night, we need them to zealous enforce laws for both lower classes and upper classes. It shouldn't matter if a DA prosecutes it or not. If you have to gum up the system to make change happen by throwing politicians and corrupt doctors/lawyers/clergymen in jail, then so be it. If the testimony of a crackhead is good enough to put a common corner crook in handcuffs, then the testimony of a grieving father after seeing a negligent doctor butcher his wife or child should be just as good (I really don't think we should go that far, I just want Grand Vol's complain about negligent doctors to run to it's dystopic demise where you will see doctors fleeing the profession over fear of being accused of being negligent).

You mean like what u are trying to do to cops

 

[Grand Vol]

Your response seems to indicate that you believe that there is a slippery slope between not zealously enforcing traffic laws and not enforcing rape and murder when in fact, there is no connection between the two. There has been a consistent theme in here that cops should go after people that commit crimes... meaning actions that damage or disturb life, limb or property. And as Grand Vol brought up last night, we need them to zealous enforce laws for both lower classes and upper classes. It shouldn't matter if a DA prosecutes it or not. If you have to gum up the system to make change happen by throwing politicians and corrupt doctors/lawyers/clergymen in jail, then so be it. If the testimony of a crackhead is good enough to put a common corner crook in handcuffs, then the testimony of a grieving father after seeing a negligent doctor butcher his wife or child should be just as good (I really don't think we should go that far, I just want Grand Vol's complain about negligent doctors to run to it's dystopic demise where you will see doctors fleeing the profession over fear of being accused of being negligent).

You should have left well enough alone when you had the chance.

Read, educate yourself:

When Does Medical Negligence Become Criminal? - London Amburn, Attorneys at Law

Malpractice or criminal? - MedCity NewsMedCity News

And since you have no idea what I was bringing up, as you usually have no clue...I was bringing the fact that any accidental death in a hospital is investigated by the hospital and rarely, if ever, will such an investigation lead to a criminal trial. Rather the hospitals will go to civil court as the "criminally culpable state of mind" is almost impossible to prove. And generally pay off the victim and/or family in such cases since the cost of going to trial and hiring expensive lawyers that will drag every "expert witness" they can into the courtroom can easily be afforded by the multi-billion dollar health care industry.

Now of course you'll say "Oh No Grand Vol! That's the same as cops! I got you!" However, in nearly each and every time a line of duty shooting occurs, the DA in the responsible district will, IS REQUIRED, to review the case. Now whether or not it goes to grand jury is another matter entirely. But rest assured, all of those cases will be reviewed by the DA.

How many hospital cases does that happen with? Again, the criminally culpable state of mind is what drives the lack of prosecution. And the fact they pay off the victims or their families very handsomely to avoid court. In one of the links, there were only about 30 criminal trials concerning malpractice between 1981 and 2005.

30...And would you want to wager money that there weren't only 30 criminal cases against LEOs in that same time frame?

Again, you prove yourself to be an idiot by saying "cops should be breaking down doors in hospitals and churches to enforce the law!" When the case happens to be that most malpractice suits don't meet the criteria for homicide or murder in a criminal sense. Yet heath care individuals kill tens of thousands of people each and every year through negligence. Which was the original point that was made (that you again missed) when someone made the comment about how cops are rarely held to criminal standards, which isn't the case at all. And it was pointed out that the health care industry is almost never held to criminal standards.

Do yourself a favor and don't reply to this. Since you obviously are ignorant of the original conversation, just stop while you're behind.

 

[Grand Vol]

Basically every thing you quoted was massively taken out of context.

Wow! Say that isn't so!

And for the record, it was not. If you can't see the idiocy of your posts like "flipping off a cop is standing up for a person's rights!" you are probably beyond help.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

You mean like what u are trying to do to cops

The jails filling up with non-violent offenders is leading most reasonable people to conclude that we enforce too many laws that are not crimes. If we did away with most traffic cops and scaled back on the drug war, we might actually need fewer cops.

 

[Grand Vol]

If we did away with most traffic cops and scaled back on the drug war, we might actually need fewer cops.

Yeah, that seems to be working:

As killings continue, May becomes city's deadliest month since 1999 - Baltimore Sun

Batts last week said police are struggling to stop violence in West Baltimore, where officers have been routinely surrounded by dozens of people, video cameras and hostility while performing basic police work since the death of Freddie Gray, the 25-year-old who died after suffering a spinal cord injury while in police custody. The Western District, the site of Gray's arrest and the epicenter of the protests and rioting that followed his death, has seen the majority of the city's recent shootings and homicides, which are coming faster than they have in eight years.

Some police officers have said they feel hesitant on the job under intense public scrutiny. Arrests are down significantly this month. Through the first half of May, officers have made fewer than half the arrests they did during the same time last year.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

You should have left well enough alone when you had the chance.

Read, educate yourself:

When Does Medical Negligence Become Criminal? - London Amburn, Attorneys at Law

Malpractice or criminal? - MedCity NewsMedCity News

And since you have no idea what I was bringing up, as you usually have no clue...I was bringing the fact that any accidental death in a hospital is investigated by the hospital and rarely, if ever, will such an investigation lead to a criminal trial. Rather the hospitals will go to civil court as the "criminally culpable state of mind" is almost impossible to prove. And generally pay off the victim and/or family in such cases since the cost of going to trial and hiring expensive lawyers that will drag every "expert witness" they can into the courtroom can easily be afforded by the multi-billion dollar health care industry.

Now of course you'll say "Oh No Grand Vol! That's the same as cops! I got you!" However, in nearly each and every time a line of duty shooting occurs, the DA in the responsible district will, IS REQUIRED, to review the case. Now whether or not it goes to grand jury is another matter entirely. But rest assured, all of those cases will be reviewed by the DA.

How many hospital cases does that happen with? Again, the criminally culpable state of mind is what drives the lack of prosecution. And the fact they pay off the victims or their families very handsomely to avoid court. In one of the links, there were only about 30 criminal trials concerning malpractice between 1981 and 2005.

30...And would you want to wager money that there weren't only 30 criminal cases against LEOs in that same time frame?

Again, you prove yourself to be an idiot by saying "cops should be breaking down doors in hospitals and churches to enforce the law!" When the case happens to be that most malpractice suits don't meet the criteria for homicide or murder in a criminal sense. Yet heath care individuals kill tens of thousands of people each and every year through negligence. Which was the original point that was made (that you again missed) when someone made the comment about how cops are rarely held to criminal standards, which isn't the case at all. And it was pointed out that the health care industry is almost never held to criminal standards.

Do yourself a favor and don't reply to this. Since you obviously are ignorant of the original conversation, just stop while you're behind.

After reading all of that, I guess I was expecting more material that would dispute my claim about cops not being just as zealous about going after doctors, banksters, lawyers, clergymen and politicians. But I didn't see any of that.

Instead of asking for more MRAPs, Iraq weaponry and MMA fighting lessons, maybe they need to spend more time being educated on The Constitution, medical negligence, financial fraud and negligence and other forms of crimes that hurt millions each day.

 

[Grand Vol]

After reading all of that, I guess I was expecting more material that would dispute my claim about cops not being just as zealous about going after doctors, banksters, lawyers, clergymen and politicians. But I didn't see any of that.

Try learning to read then, the answers are all there.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Yeah, that seems to be working:

As killings continue, May becomes city's deadliest month since 1999 - Baltimore Sun

It is part of the Rasputin_Vol 2 step program to cleaning up the streets. Fewer cops and fewer baby mommas (thug factories). Once you get rid of the drug laws and a lot of the petty arrests, you can restore freedom and the Constitution. Remove the baby mommas, and you don't have the thug factories producing more criminals for tomorrow.

 

[Grand Vol]

It is part of the Rasputin_Vol 2 step program to cleaning up the streets. Fewer cops and fewer baby mommas (thug factories). Once you get rid of the drug laws and a lot of the petty arrests, you can restore freedom and the Constitution. Remove the baby mommas, and you don't have the thug factories producing more criminals for tomorrow.

I'll chalk this post up to sarcasm. I can detect it unlike some...