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hog88 said:
I'll keep my opinion to myself on this matter but have to ask, does the style of the weapon matter? I keep seeing you throw out AK-47 and do not understand why that is so important.
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It isn't but that was just what the witness reported...how do u think a situation like that should be handled by the police?
 
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volbeast33 said:
It isn't but that was just what the witness reported...how do u think a situation like that should be handled by the police?
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I haven't read any of the links so I do not have an informed opinion. Cosmetics of weapon is irrelevant.
 
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volbeast33 said:
It isn't but that was just what the witness reported...how do u think a situation like that should be handled by the police?
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Part of the problem IMO, although minor, is the type of weapon described. The general public Is fun ignorant and don't know an AK-47 from a Red Ryder. An AK-47 carries such a negative connotation and seems to get associated with shooting rampages. So the cops potentially go into the situation expecting the worst, and that's not unexpected. I'm not a gun expert but I don't believe many shotguns can be mistaken for an AK.

I don't understand how he overheard him threatening to shoot people but didn't overhear anything about breaking into his vehicle.
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
Yeah, sure thing sweetheart. You know the rules. Just because he's a cop changes nothing. You don't point your muzzle at anything you're not willing to destroy.

Then again, you're the same guy that thinks it's cool to sweep an entire crowd with a weapon if chasing a suspect. After all, how many gun fights has someone been in and how many times have they tripped and fallen. Kinda speaks for itself don't it?
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Interesting...
 
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bowlinggreenvol said:
Part of the problem IMO, although minor, is the type of weapon described. The general public Is fun ignorant and don't know an AK-47 from a Red Ryder. An AK-47 carries such a negative connotation and seems to get associated with shooting rampages. So the cops potentially go into the situation expecting the worst, and that's not unexpected. I'm not a gun expert but I don't believe many shotguns can be mistaken for an AK.


I don't understand how he overheard him threatening to shoot people but didn't overhear anything about breaking into his vehicle.
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This is a Saiga 12 shotgun. Likely what Mr. Fisher had.
 

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Grand Vol said:
Is the department suing? No? Just him as an individual?

So he files a frivolous lawsuit which probably will get tossed out of court. Has zero to do with his profession.

This is called "reaching."
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This may not be as frivolous as it appears. The McDonald's suit actually had some merit
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
Hmmm.
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Yep, found it too...

Grand Vol said:
So you self admittedly have never gone through any close quarters training?

They are very good rules of the range. But in a split second, life and death situation, you are not, NOT going to raise or lower your muzzle over a hostage target to get to the bad guy. You will flag innocents. It is UNAVOIDABLE. Because the time you take raising and lowering your weapon, getting back on target and engaging will be precisely the same amount of time the target, who cares not about flagging innocents, will have already fired at you.
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Look, I'm just a beat cop that got the opportunity to expand my skill set into an area a lot don't. I'm not going to convince you I'm right. And you're not going to convince me of things contrary to situational training I was given. You're set in stone with the rules of firearms. I'm set in stone with them as well, but also recognize there are situations where they will get you, and others, killed. Break the rules? No. Bend them to preserve life? Yes. But only in a very narrow set of circumstances that you are not familiar with nor trained for by your own admittance. You can call me wrong. Fine. I accept our disagreement.

I'm never going to convince you of this which is why I didn't reply to your post earlier. However, when others (even someone like Ras that takes everything out of context) sees the way you twisted what I said and made it seem like I'm running around with a pistol out pointing it at everyone, I draw the line. So here's your chance to be a man and say "I entirely misrepresented what you originally said."

Ball is in your court.
 
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Grand Vol said:
And I'll ask you to contrast your post where you said I was perfectly fine flagging a group of people while chasing a suspect and the limited scenario I just linked.

Over exaggerate much?
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I don't remember saying that. So I'll reiterate here, never under any circumstance should your muzzle cross anything you're not willing to destroy. Especially in a tactical environment, your heart rate is up, and then there's the whole trip and fall thing. Anyway, it is what it is, I have neither the desire nor the time to go through this again. Cheers
 
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Grand Vol said:
Fine, you don't want to take the time to remember something you said 12 hours ago, here you go:



Way to man up. I thought you far better than this.
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And you're the one who accuses people of twisting words. Your post that I quoted above is the reference point I was using and you know that.
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
And you're the one who accuses people of twisting words. Your post that I quoted above is the reference point I was using and you know that.
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In which I never, never said running through a crowd or anything of the sorts. And later made very specific my intent on that post which you in turn ignored.

This is easy. Say "I misunderstood, ignored your clarification and entirely misrepresented what you said." Pride, swallow, you know the rest.
 
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