Officer Threatens To Shoot Ex Vol in the Face

[titansvolsfaninga]

Bingo. Don't do crime. And if you are actually stopped by police, do what they say and chances are really, really good you won't get your dumb ass shot or thrown in jail.

Yep. Chances are if you run from the police, something bad will happen. I mean when I see a police officer, my first instinct is not to run. I always give them a head nod and say hey, but I'm a law abiding citizen.

 

[paradox89]

Wow, a cop in nashville overstepping boundaries...not a shocker. The police are the largest street gang in America and cause more harm than any criminal group out there. Noone respects or trusts the police anymore and for good reason. It's just lately they've been getting called out on their ****.

 

[KBVol]

Wow, a cop in nashville overstepping boundaries...not a shocker. The police are the largest street gang in America and cause more harm than any criminal group out there. Noone respects or trusts the police anymore and for good reason. It's just lately they've been getting called out on their ****.

I don't know you so I won't direct any comments toward you personally...but this is inarguably the stupidest f-ing post I've ever read on VN. Period.

 

[Daloth]

I don't understand the disdain for police. They actually do I job that a lot of us are unwilling to do. They put their lives on the line everyday, but they are ridiculed more than they are thanked. There are bad apples in the police force, just like there are bad lawyers, bad accountants, bad teachers, etc. There are bad people in every walk of life.

I don't believe the problem is the Police themselves, it is what they represent. They are supposed to be the most upstanding and moral of all of us, so when one screws up or does something truly terrible it's the same level as a preacher stealing from a church or our little sister being a whore. It's not the person itself, but the context.

 

[KSPVol36]

I don't know you so I won't direct any comments toward you personally...but this is inarguably the stupidest f-ing post I've ever read on VN. Period.

I could not agree more...

 

[utvolpj]

Bingo. Don't do crime. And if you are actually stopped by police, do what they say and chances are really, really good you won't get your dumb ass shot or thrown in jail.

How about the police learn the law and operate within it. I will not simply submit to a badge because they believe I should

 

[TreeGreen]

How about the police learn the law and operate within it. I will not simply submit to a badge because they believe I should

Yeah, I guess we all missed the part where if I fail to comply (for any reason) I'm free to be executed or killed without a trial. I get police do a dangerous and often thankless job, but I don't understand the unwillingness to examine excessive use of force.

 

[KBVol]

How about the police learn the law and operate within it. I will not simply submit to a badge because they believe I should

How about following the law? Will you submit to that, because if you do, 99.99% of the time you'll have no dealings with the police officers you evidently hold in contempt.

 

[livefaith]

Everyone hates the police until they need the police. I always thought it was a really simple concept, if you dont like law enforcement then dont break the law and you wont have to deal with law enforcement.

Sounds pretty simple. It's just when I think about my dead aunt and uncle, and my parent-less cousin, that I think maybe a little more sophistication is in order. A little more consideration could have been in order that day before a police officer walked through their front door and shot them both in cold blood, along with some other heinous things.

Things in this life are not always as simple as they may appear.

 

[BigOrange15]

How about the police learn the law and operate within it. I will not simply submit to a badge because they believe I should

Regardless of the whether you are right, that probably won't go well for you if you try to argue that you are right while on the scene. A lot of the problems come because the officer is in the wrong and the person tries to sit there and argue or fight the officer. Regardless of whether the officer is right, he is going to control the scene. The best thing to do if the officer is in the wrong and you know it is just to do what he says and then subsequently take it over his head. It doesn't always work out quite that rosy but arguing with/yelling at the officer while you are both on scene will do a lot more harm than good the majority of the time.

 

[VolinMichigan]

Everyone hates the police until they need the police. I always thought it was a really simple concept, if you dont like law enforcement then dont break the law and you wont have to deal with law enforcement.

Unless you're black or latino or live in a "bad" area of town. Look, Police have a hard job. And the vast majority of them do their job adequately. But there are valid reasons for the poor public perception of police officers right now. Just saying "don't break the law and you won't have to deal with police" is such an oversimplification the problem its tantamount to putting your head in the sand. There are so many incidents just recently that are captured on film that have completely eroded the public's trust in Police officers.

 

[utvolpj]

How about following the law? Will you submit to that, because if you do, 99.99% of the time you'll have no dealings with the police officers you evidently hold in contempt.

The person in the OP was breaking no laws and had his life threatened. Sounds like your plan has some holes

What you describe is not how the laws are setup. All citizens have rights whether you like that or not. The police need to understand that

 

[VonVol]

I was arrested last year by an out of control policeman who was on my property walking around in the dark and refused to identify himself. When I asked him to let me know who he was he flew off the handle and arrested me saying I was interfering with an investigation. Never would say why he was in my backyard. Cuffed me in front of my wife and four year old daughter. It took me some time to find a decent lawyer because the first three I went to were representing him already in suits against him.
I was finally cleared of all charges and had the arrest expunged if I would sign a waiver saying I wouldn't sue him personally or the department. It was a bitter pill to swallow, but would mean less money and also avoiding the harassment the lawyer assured me I would receive from local law enforcement.
So this idea that only "dumb ass" criminals go to jail I happen to know is false.
The part that still bugs me is that this hot tempered dbag is still out doing similar things to other people with no consequences for him. Especially when I got in touch with some of the other people he had done this type of thing to.
I'm full aware that there are plenty of good officers out there. But my story is not as uncommon as some people would like to believe. There are a ton of power tripping cops out there who take their own insecurities out on people like myself who are abiding by the law.

 

[VolinMichigan]

Regardless of the whether you are right, that probably won't go well for you if you try to argue that you are right on the scene. A lot of the problems come because the officer is in the wrong and the person tries to sit there and argue or fight the officer. Regardless of whether the officer is right, he is going to control the scene. The best thing to do if the officer is in the wrong and you know it is just to do what he says and then subsequently take it over his head. It doesn't always work out quite that rosy but arguing with/yelling at the officer while you are both on scene will do a lot more harm than good the majority of the time.

It's sad that as someone who is being wrongly accused of committing a crime that I have to submit to the officer just because, then incur legal fees to rectify a situation that should never have happened in the first place. And the officer would likely face no repercussions whatsoever.

 

[BigOrange15]

It's sad that as someone who is being wrongly accused of committing a crime that I have to submit to the officer just because, then incur legal fees to rectify a situation that should never have happened in the first place. And the officer would likely face no repercussions whatsoever.

You're right, it is. I am not at all saying its right but the way its set up, if you want to avoid an even bigger hassle, unfortunately that's usually what has to happen.

 

[KSPVol36]

How about the police learn the law and operate within it. I will not simply submit to a badge because they believe I should

Yeah, I guess we all missed the part where if I fail to comply (for any reason) I'm free to be executed or killed without a trial. I get police do a dangerous and often thankless job, but I don't understand the unwillingness to examine excessive use of force.

I guess my first question would be to ask from where was your law degree was issued? It is never about submitting to the badge, and especially because "they" believe that you should. You should abide by the laws of your society because both God and your legislators have required such actions of you.

As for examining excessive use of force... I am in full support of such an endeavor. The problem is that right now our society is always in a rush to judge the police officer is wrong, the Ferguson, MO, case in point, and that is rarely the case. Notice that in this post and my previous one that I am not saying there aren't incidents that officers haven't been wrong. The case in SC, based strictly on what has appeared in the news (because that's all I know about it) is a jagged pill to swallow.

Both of you, and any others that would be willing to do so, are more than welcome to go to your local departments and sign up for a "ride-a-long" with a local officer to see the day to day workings of what law enforcement deals with. I would encourage any of you to seek out a Citizens' Police Academy hosted by local law enforcement as well. You should specifically seek out some Firearm Training Simulator training to see how you would handle a critical incident.

 

[agent|orange]

Bingo. Don't do crime. And if you are actually stopped by police, do what they say and chances are really, really good you won't get your dumb ass shot or thrown in jail.

It's unbelievable that you can't see a huge problem with this.

This unquestionable authority is why this nation rebelled to begin with.

Unreal.

Submit or get shot in the face.

Submit. That's a very American concept, right?

 

[utvolpj]

You should abide by the laws of your society because both God and your legislators have required such actions of you.

What?? Do you really not see the issue with this? God's laws are not enforceable in court and legislators are simply interested in money. There are way too many laws on the books for anyone to claim they are simply to protect citizens. Police have become enforcers (which you admit) and revenue collectors

 

[KSPVol36]

It's unbelievable that you can't see a huge problem with this.

This unquestionable authority is why this nation rebelled to begin with.

Unreal.

Submit or get shot in the face.

Submit. That's a very American concept, right?

Not at all... It's very un-American in fact. However, there is NOTHING in place that gives law enforcement officials "unquestionable authority." In fact, everything that law enforcement does is questioned. It is questioned in the court of law. That is the system those same forefathers established to deal with such situations. The "checks and balances" theory was established to keep each branch of government contained. Is the system flawed in some ways? Of course it is, but it's the system in which we live. If you disagree with it, you should appeal to your local legislators and have the system changed. Lawlessness in response to lawlessness is not acceptable from either side of this issue.

 

[VolinMichigan]

I guess my first question would be to ask from where was your law degree was issued? It is never about submitting to the badge, and especially because "they" believe that you should. You should abide by the laws of your society because both God and your legislators have required such actions of you.

As for examining excessive use of force... I am in full support of such an endeavor. The problem is that right now our society is always in a rush to judge the police officer is wrong, the Ferguson, MO, case in point, and that is rarely the case. Notice that in this post and my previous one that I am not saying there aren't incidents that officers haven't been wrong. The case in SC, based strictly on what has appeared in the news (because that's all I know about it) is a jagged pill to swallow.

Both of you, and any others that would be willing to do so, are more than welcome to go to your local departments and sign up for a "ride-a-long" with a local officer to see the day to day workings of what law enforcement deals with. I would encourage any of you to seek out a Citizens' Police Academy hosted by local law enforcement as well. You should specifically seek out some Firearm Training Simulator training to see how you would handle a critical incident.

You can't be this naive. I'm pretty sure God didn't envision a shotgun being pointed at your head and being ordered to comply or be shot in the face. And I believe a lot of instances of use of excessive force stem from the officers belief that they are judge, jury and sometimes executioner and that their authority should be unquestioned.

Not one person in this thread has questioned the difficulty of a Police officer's job. I get it, it's a hard job. I don't need to go on a ride along or take a firearm training simulator to understand that.

 

[Deputy Fife]

How about following the law? Will you submit to that, because if you do, 99.99% of the time you'll have no dealings with the police officers you evidently hold in contempt.

Many laws are patently immoral.

 

[BigOrange15]

You can't be this naive. I'm pretty sure God didn't envision a shotgun being pointed at your head and being ordered to comply or be shot in the face. And I believe a lot of instances of use of excessive force stem from the officers belief that they are judge, jury and sometimes executioner and that their authority should be unquestioned.

Not one person in this thread has questioned the difficulty of a Police officer's job. I get it, it's a hard job. I don't need to go on a ride along or take a firearm training simulator to understand that.

The ride along wouldn't help people understand its difficulty as much as it would help show people the situations and help them understand the decisions that police officers make and why they must make them. That's the hope anyway.

 

[dillyo51]

Wow, a cop in nashville overstepping boundaries...not a shocker. The police are the largest street gang in America and cause more harm than any criminal group out there. Noone respects or trusts the police anymore and for good reason. It's just lately they've been getting called out on their ****.

Idiotic statement. But you are entitled to it. :banghead2:

 

[utvolpj]

Wonder if they'd give me a ride along in the mrap. Never know when you'll run into a mine these days

 

[Deputy Fife]

You should abide by the laws of your society because both God and your legislators have required such actions of you.

Which god?