Officer Threatens To Shoot Ex Vol in the Face

[VolFan4Life87]

Got a person you don't like? Just call them in for carrying a weapon around or say they're running a methlab out of their house.

It's a sure-fire way to get some jacked up enforcer ramming the full extent of the long arm of the law right up their backside in no time at all.

I'd laugh if it wasn't so very true.

 

[VonVol]

Until someone accuses you of a crime you didn't commit. Or you go through an illegal seatbelt check point.

Or if you're the 52 year old man in Huntsville, Alabama that was recently paralyzed from the waist down from a cop slamming him to the ground.
His crime was walking down the sidewalk in the neighborhood where he was visiting his son and grandson. He couldn't speak English. So when he couldn't understand the cop's orders the cop felt the best way to deal with it was to slam the old man on to the sidewalk.

 

[agent|orange]

This I agree with. The ex-vol's mistake was to take the law into his own hands.

He can certainly have made a citizens arrest. He was licensed to carry his firearm as well.

The only thing he wasn't allowed to do was to force the person back to the motel to retrieve his stuff. While certainly understandable, it's inadvisable.

None of these things, however, really should result in a cop exiting his vehicle preparing to shoot someone in the face, as he so eloquently put it.

I would think that a Police Officer would be well trained enough to survey the scene and ascertain danger before being so ready to kill someone.

Given everything is an assault rifle or an AK to anyone nowadays, the Police Officer should have also used more prudence when responding as a super-soaker could probably be misidentified as an AK by some random bystander that has never actually seen an AK.

This guy thankfully has been taken off the streets.

 

[KSPVol36]

Yes because threatening to kill someone shouldn't result in being fired. A suspect who is innocent until proven guilty. Right. Maybe someone should do one of those SWAT pranks on your house and then you can tell us how it feels to be treated like a POS criminal with a gun in your face and your very LIFE threatened when you've committed no offense.

And I apologize for snapping, that just struck a nerve with me. I agree that complying is the main difference between this situation and others we've all seen on the news lately. But until you've been in their shoes (maybe you have?) it's hard to say definitively what you would've done. Someone pointing a gun in your face, then telling you they're going to shoot you in the face could induce fearful reactions.

I think people have adequately pointed out that Fisher didn't handle his end of things in the best of ways. Did he intentionally break the law? No. However, he did break the law when he held the would-be thief illegally at gun-point. Maybe calling the police in the beginning wouldn't have exacerbated the situation to lead to the need for a traffic stop in the first place. Having said that, I still do not condone the officer threatening Fisher. I just stick to the fact that many people on here have never been in such a situation and are to quick to rush judgment.

As for myself, I have been in those situation several times. One of which, coincidentally involved a man with an AK-47, and the other involved a man trying to take my service weapon. Fortunately, for all involved, no shots were fired between us, but there was force used in the latter of the two situations. We both made a trip to the hospital, but I went home and he ended up in prison.

As for snapping... Isn't that the exact thing you are taking a stand against? The officer snapped and said a curse word...you snapped and attacked me because my opinion differs from yours. Should an apology be adequate for forgiveness?

 

[VonVol]

Thank you for sharing this story. More people who have been through such events should, because as you stated its much more common than people believe. Unless you're rich or your own lawyer, it seems police get away with situations such as yours because it's unaffordable for the common man to fight for proper justice in the system that feeds itself.

100% agree with you. I live in a pretty nice home on 4 acres that is completely paid for. I pay my taxes and don't cause trouble. Right up the road from me though, is one of the nicest subdivisions in this area. Josh Willingham who retired from MLB last year lives there. And I can almost guarantee you that this cop would have answered his questions if Willingham found him prowling around his yard.

 

[apevol]

And that is Cthulu.

He is master...

 

[titansvolsfaninga]

I think most reasonable people would agree that there are situations in which excessive or even deadly force is necessary. It just seems that recent events like Ferguson or Baltimore or the Tamir Rice shooting were precipitated by officers needlessly using excessive and deadly force with fatal consequences to the victim. And people are pissed the these officers sometimes are not held accountable for their bad decision-making and hide behind the blanket excuses of "We thought he was armed. We felt threatened. We observed a weapon. etc. etc."

I may catch flack for this but I don't think these three are the same. I think Ferguson was justified use of force. I think Tamir Rice was an unjustified use of force. Baltimore, I don't even know what to think. Something happened, and with 6 people being charged, the truth will come out about what happened. Which will be good, but does not deal with the bigger issue at hand. A total lack of respect for authority. There appears to be a bunch of sovereign citizens up in here.

 

[VolFan4Life87]

I think people have adequately pointed out that Fisher didn't handle his end of things in the best of ways. Did he intentionally break the law? No. However, he did break the law when he held the would-be thief illegally at gun-point. Maybe calling the police in the beginning wouldn't have exacerbated the situation to lead to the need for a traffic stop in the first place. Having said that, I still do not condone the officer threatening Fisher. I just stick to the fact that many people on here have never been in such a situation and are to quick to rush judgment.

As for myself, I have been in those situation several times. One of which, coincidentally involved a man with an AK-47, and the other involved a man trying to take my service weapon. Fortunately, for all involved, no shots were fired between us, but there was force used in the latter of the two situations. We both made a trip to the hospital, but I went home and he ended up in prison.

As for snapping... Isn't that the exact thing you are taking a stand against? The officer snapped and said a curse word...you snapped and attacked me because my opinion differs from yours. Should an apology be adequate for forgiveness?

Um...I didn't snap and threaten to kill you lol sorry but that's a pretty big stretch. I "snapped" in the sense that I felt my response had emotion behind it. Nothing about it was threatening. It was a "charged" response per say. This is also a forum where such responses are the norm and generally expected when discussing varying opinions. I decided to apologize for the tone, and not the content, because for the most part you seem like a reasonable individual and your response was well worded.

 

[KSPVol36]

Um...I didn't snap and threaten to kill you lol sorry but that's a pretty big stretch. I "snapped" in the sense that I felt my response had emotion behind it. Nothing about it was threatening. It was a "charged" response per say. This is also a forum where such responses are the norm and generally expected when discussing varying opinions. I was nice enough to apologize because for the most part you seem like a reasonable individual and your response was well worded.

I respect and appreciate your opinion, and I wasn't attacking you at all. I was simply making a point. You are correct, your "snap" was a "charged" response that "...had emotion behind it." I do not disagree with that assessment whatsoever. In fact, I submit to you that the officer's response, too, was "charged" and "...had emotion behind it." Was it a stretch to analogize the two? I think not. You let something you read cause you to "snap." This officer let a situation in which he had been told that a man with an AK-47 had been involved in a domestic situation, left in a white Chevy Impala, and was now refusing to comply with commands cause him to "snap."

I am not justifying the choice of words the officer used, but I am saying that in critical incidents people of all professions tend to say and do things they regret. It does not necessarily define who this young officer is. It should be investigated and dealt with appropriately, but it does not mean it should end his law enforcement career.

 

[ainge10heisman]

Ahh Walter Fisher, big 5 star juco. I had such high hopes for him.

 

[Volsfaninva917]

True in theory, not the real world.

That's the same % of percentages made up with no facts to support it.
Yep, insert the BS statistic above. Try and get a complaint form to report an officer and see what you get for your efforts.



Unfortunately, I bet they are still on the force.

Yes, unfortunately they are still on the force. And i hope and pray they dont bring a black eye on my community.

 

[paradox89]

I don't know you so I won't direct any comments toward you personally...but this is inarguably the stupidest f-ing post I've ever read on VN. Period.

Easy for you to say when you're either a cop yourself or have never known anyone to actually be physically assaulted by cops (in front of family none-the-less), and I knew the majority of the baby boomer cops-are-the-good-guys crowd would speak up. I've seen on multiple occasions metro cops and cops in the surround areas be downright aggressive and abusive from the start, and in front of the supposed suspects families to top it off, and this is before the "suspect" is even arrested, or take someone out of their car and literally beat them because they got an "attitude" when the cop has an attitude the whole time, or pull a firearm on an unarmed suspect...and instead of any notice being brought to it, all the pseudo charges are just dropped. So yeah if all you've seen or been is a good ole boy getting some help from the police, that's not how city police work...i rarely see a cop stop to help someone on the side of the road, but 2 more cop cars will pull over to "assist" their fellow officerin a heartbeat if someone is pulled over. I know that 1 in 4 officers aren't bad people and don't develop that cop mentality, but the vast majority forget what their job is...to serve and protect, not to shoot and arrest.

Also a large amount of US police department do not submit their deadly force stats to the FBI, so our ridiculous number of police brutality murders is even higher than the reported numbers...but I'm sure most of the police shootings are justified, right? Yeaaaaa...okay. Also, if a cop were to turn ***** bc he's not shown the respect he thinks he deserves, as usually happens in these cops overreacting situations, and pull his gun on me at a routine traffic stop bc he gets butthurt over something I say, it's okay, but if a cop is being threatening to get physical with or shoot me, then I pull my pistol on him, I'm going away for a long time...its a joke. Basically we can't defend ourselves against these officers, most of whom are given minimal training considering they have others lives in their hands, and most of whom see it as it's us (police) vs the people (citizens).

When have you heard of damn's or crips killing a child holding up a toygun or killing an unarmed homeless person? Exactly, most of these so-called "violent criminals and gangbangers" are involved in shootings for retaliation or money in shape, form, or fashion...rarely do innocent parties get hurt by your typical criminal, and if so, it's usually an accident from a pull up or drive by shooting, whereas you constantly hear of cops purposely killing unarmed suspects. And as an employee paid by people's tax money, they can't just shoot someone because they get butthurt or scared, but they do all the time and have been for too long, and they're finally being called out on it for the mass public to see.

And cops like to abide by stereotypes, but the one I've seen most true is that 90% of cops are the people who were losers in high school and couldn't make it through college or do any job that requires any sort of mental capacity so they settle and become a cop, which only enhances their inferiority complex and leads to a power trip where they try to assert their dominance for the respect that they never had in life and only end up losing what last grain of respect the police have from citizens. This **** has been going on for the past 50 years, and it's not a race thing...its a people's rights vs unfair policing. It's these cops mentalities that lead to these messed situations.

With all that said, people do automatically tense up around cops and think about defending themselves immediately when dealing with cops so fault definitely lies in citizens hands as well, but we're not going to feel safe around cops until they reform their ways. And getting pulled over and cops finding a pistol is no reason for a police officer to automatically get physical or point his gun at the "suspect" unless the suspect makes a move first.

There's going to continue to be some major conflict between the people and police in the near future. The people should have the right to choose how we're policed in a democracy, and that's a quote from the Oakland chief of police...and the general public is not happy with the current state of police overstepping their rights. Of course all your nieve people who could never comprehend life outside their picket fence home with 2 parents and 401k's, and all the old South type who just believe that "cops should be able to do damn well do wutever dem boys gotsta do to get them ni...ummm...i mean criminals" type...but the blind citizens who believe in the police are declining more and more as the majority has become those who don't trust the police and believe they need to be power checked. Hell, most middle class law abiding citizens I come across don't even trust or respect cops anymore. I don't see how anyone can defend these punks when you wake up every morning to a cop being a ***** and getting scared so he pulls out his pistol and pops off a few rounds into, a wait for it...unarmed suspect...its at least a once a week thing now. And that's for everyone to see on the news...not even including those that see it firsthand. Also, I don't wish death on many people, since most people, and even police officers do have families, but I must say these cops across the nation are asking to be gunned down as they continue to over-assert their power and use physical force when not necessary. The police are just the forefront of a government that continue to take away the people's rights. Look up American police brutality numbers compared to the rest of the world. And these morons want to take away guns from the public...but if our society does take that next step towards taking the people's right to arm themselves, they also need to take police officers firearms as they do the most harm with their weapons.

LEO - a person, most likely of ***** descent, who was either too scared to join the military and defend this country, or they could not qualify for their local community college.

 

[Volsfaninva917]

Easy for you to say when you're either a cop yourself or have never known anyone to actually be physically assaulted by cops (in front of family none-the-less), and I knew the majority of the baby boomer cops-are-the-good-guys crowd would speak up. I've seen on multiple occasions metro cops and cops in the surround areas be downright aggressive and abusive from the start, and in front of the supposed suspects families to top it off, and this is before the "suspect" is even arrested, or take someone out of their car and literally beat them because they got an "attitude" when the cop has an attitude the whole time, or pull a firearm on an unarmed suspect...and instead of any notice being brought to it, all the pseudo charges are just dropped. So yeah if all you've seen or been is a good ole boy getting some help from the police, that's not how city police work...i rarely see a cop stop to help someone on the side of the road, but 2 more cop cars will pull over to "assist" their fellow officerin a heartbeat if someone is pulled over. I know that 1 in 4 officers aren't bad people and don't develop that cop mentality, but the vast majority forget what their job is...to serve and protect, not to shoot and arrest.

Also a large amount of US police department do not submit their deadly force stats to the FBI, so our ridiculous number of police brutality murders is even higher than the reported numbers...but I'm sure most of the police shootings are justified, right? Yeaaaaa...okay. Also, if a cop were to turn ***** bc he's not shown the respect he thinks he deserves, as usually happens in these cops overreacting situations, and pull his gun on me at a routine traffic stop bc he gets butthurt over something I say, it's okay, but if a cop is being threatening to get physical with or shoot me, then I pull my pistol on him, I'm going away for a long time...its a joke. Basically we can't defend ourselves against these officers, most of whom are given minimal training considering they have others lives in their hands, and most of whom see it as it's us (police) vs the people (citizens).

When have you heard of damn's or crips killing a child holding up a toygun or killing an unarmed homeless person? Exactly, most of these so-called "violent criminals and gangbangers" are involved in shootings for retaliation or money in shape, form, or fashion...rarely do innocent parties get hurt by your typical criminal, and if so, it's usually an accident from a pull up or drive by shooting, whereas you constantly hear of cops purposely killing unarmed suspects. And as an employee paid by people's tax money, they can't just shoot someone because they get butthurt or scared, but they do all the time and have been for too long, and they're finally being called out on it for the mass public to see.

And cops like to abide by stereotypes, but the one I've seen most true is that 90% of cops are the people who were losers in high school and couldn't make it through college or do any job that requires any sort of mental capacity so they settle and become a cop, which only enhances their inferiority complex and leads to a power trip where they try to assert their dominance for the respect that they never had in life and only end up losing what last grain of respect the police have from citizens. This **** has been going on for the past 50 years, and it's not a race thing...its a people's rights vs unfair policing. It's these cops mentalities that lead to these messed situations.

With all that said, people do automatically tense up around cops and think about defending themselves immediately when dealing with cops so fault definitely lies in citizens hands as well, but we're not going to feel safe around cops until they reform their ways. And getting pulled over and cops finding a pistol is no reason for a police officer to automatically get physical or point his gun at the "suspect" unless the suspect makes a move first.

There's going to continue to be some major conflict between the people and police in the near future. The people should have the right to choose how we're policed in a democracy, and that's a quote from the Oakland chief of police...and the general public is not happy with the current state of police overstepping their rights. Of course all your nieve people who could never comprehend life outside their picket fence home with 2 parents and 401k's, and all the old South type who just believe that "cops should be able to do damn well do wutever dem boys gotsta do to get them ni...ummm...i mean criminals" type...but the blind citizens who believe in the police are declining more and more as the majority has become those who don't trust the police and believe they need to be power checked. Hell, most middle class law abiding citizens I come across don't even trust or respect cops anymore. I don't see how anyone can defend these punks when you wake up every morning to a cop being a ***** and getting scared so he pulls out his pistol and pops off a few rounds into, a wait for it...unarmed suspect...its at least a once a week thing now. And that's for everyone to see on the news...not even including those that see it firsthand. Also, I don't wish death on many people, since most people, and even police officers do have families, but I must say these cops across the nation are asking to be gunned down as they continue to over-assert their power and use physical force when not necessary. The police are just the forefront of a government that continue to take away the people's rights. Look up American police brutality numbers compared to the rest of the world. And these morons want to take away guns from the public...but if our society does take that next step towards taking the people's right to arm themselves, they also need to take police officers firearms as they do the most harm with their weapons.

LEO - a person, most likely of ***** descent, who was either too scared to join the military and defend this country, or they could not qualify for their local community college.

Why do you hate law enforcement so much? Am i safe in assuming A. You couldnt get hired on with LE. Or B. You arrest record is pretty long and you stand by your not guilty plea

 

[KSPVol36]

Easy for you to say when you're either a cop yourself or have never known anyone to actually be physically assaulted by cops (in front of family none-the-less), and I knew the majority of the baby boomer cops-are-the-good-guys crowd would speak up. I've seen on multiple occasions metro cops and cops in the surround areas be downright aggressive and abusive from the start, and in front of the supposed suspects families to top it off, and this is before the "suspect" is even arrested, or take someone out of their car and literally beat them because they got an "attitude" when the cop has an attitude the whole time, or pull a firearm on an unarmed suspect...and instead of any notice being brought to it, all the pseudo charges are just dropped. So yeah if all you've seen or been is a good ole boy getting some help from the police, that's not how city police work...i rarely see a cop stop to help someone on the side of the road, but 2 more cop cars will pull over to "assist" their fellow officerin a heartbeat if someone is pulled over. I know that 1 in 4 officers aren't bad people and don't develop that cop mentality, but the vast majority forget what their job is...to serve and protect, not to shoot and arrest.

Also a large amount of US police department do not submit their deadly force stats to the FBI, so our ridiculous number of police brutality murders is even higher than the reported numbers...but I'm sure most of the police shootings are justified, right? Yeaaaaa...okay. Also, if a cop were to turn ***** bc he's not shown the respect he thinks he deserves, as usually happens in these cops overreacting situations, and pull his gun on me at a routine traffic stop bc he gets butthurt over something I say, it's okay, but if a cop is being threatening to get physical with or shoot me, then I pull my pistol on him, I'm going away for a long time...its a joke. Basically we can't defend ourselves against these officers, most of whom are given minimal training considering they have others lives in their hands, and most of whom see it as it's us (police) vs the people (citizens).

When have you heard of damn's or crips killing a child holding up a toygun or killing an unarmed homeless person? Exactly, most of these so-called "violent criminals and gangbangers" are involved in shootings for retaliation or money in shape, form, or fashion...rarely do innocent parties get hurt by your typical criminal, and if so, it's usually an accident from a pull up or drive by shooting, whereas you constantly hear of cops purposely killing unarmed suspects. And as an employee paid by people's tax money, they can't just shoot someone because they get butthurt or scared, but they do all the time and have been for too long, and they're finally being called out on it for the mass public to see.

And cops like to abide by stereotypes, but the one I've seen most true is that 90% of cops are the people who were losers in high school and couldn't make it through college or do any job that requires any sort of mental capacity so they settle and become a cop, which only enhances their inferiority complex and leads to a power trip where they try to assert their dominance for the respect that they never had in life and only end up losing what last grain of respect the police have from citizens. This **** has been going on for the past 50 years, and it's not a race thing...its a people's rights vs unfair policing. It's these cops mentalities that lead to these messed situations.

With all that said, people do automatically tense up around cops and think about defending themselves immediately when dealing with cops so fault definitely lies in citizens hands as well, but we're not going to feel safe around cops until they reform their ways. And getting pulled over and cops finding a pistol is no reason for a police officer to automatically get physical or point his gun at the "suspect" unless the suspect makes a move first.

There's going to continue to be some major conflict between the people and police in the near future. The people should have the right to choose how we're policed in a democracy, and that's a quote from the Oakland chief of police...and the general public is not happy with the current state of police overstepping their rights. Of course all your nieve people who could never comprehend life outside their picket fence home with 2 parents and 401k's, and all the old South type who just believe that "cops should be able to do damn well do wutever dem boys gotsta do to get them ni...ummm...i mean criminals" type...but the blind citizens who believe in the police are declining more and more as the majority has become those who don't trust the police and believe they need to be power checked. Hell, most middle class law abiding citizens I come across don't even trust or respect cops anymore. I don't see how anyone can defend these punks when you wake up every morning to a cop being a ***** and getting scared so he pulls out his pistol and pops off a few rounds into, a wait for it...unarmed suspect...its at least a once a week thing now. And that's for everyone to see on the news...not even including those that see it firsthand. Also, I don't wish death on many people, since most people, and even police officers do have families, but I must say these cops across the nation are asking to be gunned down as they continue to over-assert their power and use physical force when not necessary. The police are just the forefront of a government that continue to take away the people's rights. Look up American police brutality numbers compared to the rest of the world. And these morons want to take away guns from the public...but if our society does take that next step towards taking the people's right to arm themselves, they also need to take police officers firearms as they do the most harm with their weapons.

LEO - a person, most likely of ***** descent, who was either too scared to join the military and defend this country, or they could not qualify for their local community college.

Ignorant person with an ignorant response. I understand...you just can't help it.

I am a LEO and a veteran with a Bachelor's in Criminal Justice. I would also be willing to compare high school, college, and professional resume's with you any time. Yours may be superior to mine, however, that does not mean that your ignorant, stereotypical analysis of all LEO has any credence whatsoever.

 

[paradox89]

Yes because threatening to kill someone shouldn't result in being fired. A suspect who is innocent until proven guilty. Right. Maybe someone should do one of those SWAT pranks on your house and then you can tell us how it feels to be treated like a POS criminal with a gun in your face and your very LIFE threatened when you've committed no offense.

And I apologize for snapping, that just struck a nerve with me. I agree that complying is the main difference between this situation and others we've all seen on the news lately. But until you've been in their shoes (maybe you have?) it's hard to say definitively what you would've done. Someone pointing a gun in your face, then telling you they're going to shoot you in the face could induce fearful reactions.

I was arrested last year by an out of control policeman who was on my property walking around in the dark and refused to identify himself. When I asked him to let me know who he was he flew off the handle and arrested me saying I was interfering with an investigation. Never would say why he was in my backyard. Cuffed me in front of my wife and four year old daughter. It took me some time to find a decent lawyer because the first three I went to were representing him already in suits against him.
I was finally cleared of all charges and had the arrest expunged if I would sign a waiver saying I wouldn't sue him personally or the department. It was a bitter pill to swallow, but would mean less money and also avoiding the harassment the lawyer assured me I would receive from local law enforcement.
So this idea that only "dumb ass" criminals go to jail I happen to know is false.
The part that still bugs me is that this hot tempered dbag is still out doing similar things to other people with no consequences for him. Especially when I got in touch with some of the other people he had done this type of thing to.
I'm full aware that there are plenty of good officers out there. But my story is not as uncommon as some people would like to believe. There are a ton of power tripping cops out there who take their own insecurities out on people like myself who are abiding by the law.

This...it's easy to say "oh, the cop was just doing his job, and their dealing with criminals," when they've most likely never dealt with urban cops on a power trip. On the other hand, I guess it's easy to get emotional and word my thoughts incorrectly too when it is a touch subject. With that said, I stand by comments.

Also I'm not trying to pull VonVol or VFan4L87 into my own opinions so don't associate my comments with them or their posts, but I do feel where both of them are coming from and completely agree.

And I know I aleady said this, but to the poster that pointed out the number of cops being killed, check for the total stats of police on citizen murders...oh wait the stats are inconclusive as many police departments and agencies don't submit their numbers to be included. Even with such a large percentage not including their police brutality numbers, we still take the trophy for police on citizen murders and our prison population is insanely unproportional when compared to other first world countries. Our system from our laws to our draconian mandatory minimum sentences to the policemen acting like it's the Old West needs to be rebuilt from the ground up if we really want to fix this problem and move into the 21st century. It kills me when I see a cop get off with murder but then you hear of someone getting 25-life for trafficking drugs.

 

[ntxVOL]

Daaamn, buncha thugs up in here.

 

[Daloth]

But they are fallible people. Just like preachers or your little sister. When you understand that they are all people...you tend to brush it off as a bad apple in the bunch.

This is true, and on an individual level we can generally logically think that out. However, in this day and age, nobody is truly individual. Twitter, Facebook, Message boards, and 24/7 news cycles make it nearly impossible to not share an opinion, and thus have a group mentality.

To quote some Men in Black, "A Person is smart: People are dumb."

 

[paradox89]

Ignorant person with an ignorant response. I understand...you just can't help it.

I am a LEO and a veteran with a Bachelor's in Criminal Justice. I would also be willing to compare high school, college, and professional resume's with you any time. Yours may be superior to mine, however, that does not mean that your ignorant, stereotypical analysis of all LEO has any credence whatsoever.

Well thank you for sharing your accolades...maybe if you try hard enough, you can do something and become a lawyer one day. The sad part is that your little criminal justice degree is more than most police officers out there have, yet they get to hold peoples lives and people's freedom in their hands, while any other profession dealing with people...doctors, social workers (def not incl probation officers hah), teachers, professors, lawyers require a degree and many require many additional years of schooling while you probably stand out among your average leo with a bachelor's degree in criminal justice. Not just in careers dealing with people, but really in any other profession, having a bachelor's degree is mandatory not something that stands out above your peers. Hell, listen to a CEO or chief engineer talk, then listen to a chief of police or DEA/ATF talk and the IQ differences are so apparent. Your post just proves what I was saying about leos being under qualified for such responsibilities as you think your degree in criminal justice is something grand like you're a doctor or an engineer.

And I'm just voicing my opinion on a board, that I do love very much so since I love staying current with the Vols, but I knew most would disagree with me. This message board, like much of rural America in the Midwest and the South, are stuck about 50 years back. Of course, you will have the old South attitudes still floating around places like Nashville, Charolotte, or Atlanta but thank God, it's not the norm...and they're being slowly succeeded by progressive thoughts...and it's funny that the word progressive is like a bad word to so many people when true progressiveness means making necessary changes to keep up with an ever-changing society where many backwoods people and religious zealots associate the word with taking peoples rights and allowing actions they don't personally agree with. This is to blame on the extreme bipartisan attitude within our political system as extremist politicians use the word wayyy too much (on both sides, far right using progressive in a negative light, and far left overusing the word and trying to take our rights claiming it to change for the better).

Oh and damn. I was really hoping that me posting the (usually true) stereotypes of leos doesn't change your mind or make you think any other way. I was really hoping you would approve of my generalization. And LEOs are the most notorious for stereotyping...and the thing is that my opinion on LEOs doesn't affect anyone's life, however the stereotypes that cops live and kill by do ruin lives so a bit of a difference between me posting a common stereotype of police and police profiling each and everyone they run across.

 

[MustafaRasta]

Who exactly are the cops actually shooting these days?

pretty much whoever they want.

 

[Daloth]

Which god?

Careful now, there is only one God in America.

And that God just so happens to support two religions, one which was derived from the other and we chose the newest of the two, the first which was in its own right derived from several other ancient texts and religions.

And he also happens to be an important individual in two OTHER religions, one started solely in America, that derived from that first one, only not as important on a cosmic scale.

And if you watch South Park, all these gods get along and make Aquaman seem important before Khal Drogo was cast to play him.

(someone will probably be offended but its more making fun of the idea to use religion in court, after all, all of us non virgins haven't been killed or sold into slavery)

 

[MustafaRasta]

Not at all... It's very un-American in fact. However, there is NOTHING in place that gives law enforcement officials "unquestionable authority." In fact, everything that law enforcement does is questioned. It is questioned in the court of law. That is the system those same forefathers established to deal with such situations. The "checks and balances" theory was established to keep each branch of government contained. Is the system flawed in some ways? Of course it is, but it's the system in which we live. If you disagree with it, you should appeal to your local legislators and have the system changed. Lawlessness in response to lawlessness is not acceptable from either side of this issue.

Nice speech. If it applied in the actual country we live in I might stand up and clap. No applause for Utopia imaginary **** though.

 

[GreveHaller]

I believe VFL Earnest Fields works as a patrolman for the Nashville Metro police. :hi:

you are correct

 

[KSPVol36]

Well thank you for sharing your accolades...maybe if you try hard enough, you can do something and become a lawyer one day. The sad part is that your little criminal justice degree is more than most police officers out there have, yet they get to hold peoples lives and people's freedom in their hands, while any other profession dealing with people...doctors, social workers (def not incl probation officers hah), teachers, professors, lawyers require a degree and many require many additional years of schooling while you probably stand out among your average leo with a bachelor's degree in criminal justice. Not just in careers dealing with people, but really in any other profession, having a bachelor's degree is mandatory not something that stands out above your peers. Hell, listen to a CEO or chief engineer talk, then listen to a chief of police or DEA/ATF talk and the IQ differences are so apparent. Your post just proves what I was saying about leos being under qualified for such responsibilities as you think your degree in criminal justice is something grand like you're a doctor or an engineer.

And I'm just voicing my opinion on a board, that I do love very much so since I love staying current with the Vols, but I knew most would disagree with me. This message board, like much of rural America in the Midwest and the South, are stuck about 50 years back. Of course, you will have the old South attitudes still floating around places like Nashville, Charolotte, or Atlanta but thank God, it's not the norm...and they're being slowly succeeded by progressive thoughts...and it's funny that the word progressive is like a bad word to so many people when true progressiveness means making necessary changes to keep up with an ever-changing society where many backwoods people and religious zealots associate the word with taking peoples rights and allowing actions they don't personally agree with. This is to blame on the extreme bipartisan attitude within our political system as extremist politicians use the word wayyy too much (on both sides, far right using progressive in a negative light, and far left overusing the word and trying to take our rights claiming it to change for the better).

Oh and damn. I was really hoping that me posting the (usually true) stereotypes of leos doesn't change your mind or make you think any other way. I was really hoping you would approve of my generalization. And LEOs are the most notorious for stereotyping...and the thing is that my opinion on LEOs doesn't affect anyone's life, however the stereotypes that cops live and kill by do ruin lives so a bit of a difference between me posting a common stereotype of police and police profiling each and everyone they run across.

I wasn't sharing accolades at all, and to say that I think my degree makes me something grand is you twisting words to fit your argument that lacks legitimate basis. I was simply refuting your accusation that LEOs are typically high school losers, scared to join the military, or not smart enough to qualify for their local community college. It wasn't me quantifying myself at all; I was comparing myself to you and you alone as you are the one that attacked the patriotism and education level of ALL law enforcement officers.

Funny, too, that you defend your right to post your opinion on this board you love so much and then respond with sarcasm because I don't agree with it. You're entitled to your opinion, as fact-less and baseless at it may be, and I, too, am entitled to mine.

Oh, and one more tidbit of information, the richest man in the world, Bill Gates (you may have heard of him--he's the CEO of Microsoft), doesn't have a college degree.

 

[paradox89]

Why do you hate law enforcement so much? Am i safe in assuming A. You couldnt get hired on with LE. Or B. You arrest record is pretty long and you stand by your not guilty plea

Lmaooo. I don't know of anyone that grew up, or maybe they just wouldn't admit it, that wanted to be a cop. If you said you wanted to grow up to be a cop, that's just asking to be laughed at. That would be the equivalent of saying I want to grow up to throw yall in jail. Just like I was saying...most leos are nobodies throughout life and their only way to ever get respects to get a job that demands respect through fear rather than actually earning respect.

And my criminal background doesn't change the fact thay these cops need to be checked. I have made mistakes but lack of opportunity creates illegitimate opportunity so don't judge people that you could never relate to. Also, I didn't let my past hold me back or walk around with a chip on my shoulder...I did my time, got my degrees (and not just a bs physical education, communications, or criminal justice degree), and found a good job that understands that felonies and misdemeanors from almost a decade ago don't make me a bad person, so I won't deny my past, but at the same time, my past doesn't define who I am today.

 

[volroadwarrior]

I don't post often, but after reading this article, watching the video, and reading some of the posts in this thread, I felt compelled to do so. It is completely astonishing to me that some of you are so quick to rush to judgment about how this officer should be dealt. I mean to say that he should be fired because he cursed at what he had reasonable suspicion to believe was a man carrying an AK-47 and that had been involved in a domestic situation is ridiculous.

Let me say that I DO NOT condone threatening potential suspects and the officer should face whatever Internal Affairs investigative process that Nashville Metro utilizes; however, he has not done anything that rises to the level of being fired. I would like to see how many of you could contain your adrenaline without making any mistakes when asked to approach a car occupied by an armed person that was believed to be fleeing a crime involving the firearm.

To say that because the officer didn't shoot someone meant there was "progress" is just ignorant. The reason the officer didn't shoot someone is because the believed offender complied with the lawful commands given by the officer. Is that too much to ask? To simply follow the commands given by law enforcement in these high-intensity situations? Imagine how many of the law enforcement shooting incidents could be prevented if the offenders would just comply as Fisher did in this situation. I also asked where the outcry for the 5 NYPD officers that have been shot in the past 5 months? And that's just from NYPD; what about the rest of the country.

National Law Enforcement Officers Memorial Fund: Officer Deaths by Year

I'm not saying all law enforcement agencies or officers are mistake free. I'm not saying there haven't been incidents that make other law enforcement officers cringe. What I am saying is that in the high majority of incidents, I believe as high as 99%, the officers are justified in their actions. I can also say that I know of no law enforcement officer that has a desire to shoot anyone. I have several friends that have been involved in shootings and those situations are the darkest times in their lives.

All that should be given is due process for the law enforcement community just as is asked for the criminal element. We are not the enemy no matter how much of a fashion statement it may be to say so.

Break the law and resist arrest. That's what gets perps killed. Pure and simple.