Gun control debate (merged)

[hog88]

Did you and GrandVol switch accounts or something? You sound just like an overzealous cop that you claim to despise.

I'm just stating facts. I've never searched an employees car or anything but I have the right to do so. They have the right to refuse but can be terminated.

 

[Grand Vol]

Did you and GrandVol switch accounts or something? You sound just like an overzealous cop that you claim to despise.

Really?

 

[hog88]

Really?

Dave needs to educate himself on this.

 

[Grand Vol]

Dave needs to educate himself on this.

I'm a lot of words, most of them on here start and end with *, but overzealous isn't one of them.

 

[hog88]

I'm a lot of words, most of them on here start and end with *, but overzealous isn't one of them.

No not so much.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

I'm just stating facts. I've never searched an employees car or anything but I have the right to do so. They have the right to refuse but can be terminated.

What gives you the right to search their car?

 

[hog88]

What gives you the right to search their car?

Their on my property.

Y'all should read your employee handbook, I'd bet it's in there. We had an HR consultant do ours so I'd imagine it's pretty standard.

 

[FLVOL69]

Their on my property.

Y'all should read your employee handbook, I'd bet it's in there. We had an HR consultant do ours so I'd imagine it's pretty standard.

What type of business are you in?

 

[hog88]

What type of business are you in?

Environmental.

I'm a tree hugger.

 

[FLVOL69]

Environmental.

I'm a tree hugger.

I work for an enviromental company and I'm no tree hugger.

 

[hog88]

I work for an enviromental company and I'm no tree hugger.

I should have used blue font.

My motto "spills create jobs".

 

[FLVOL69]

I should have used blue font.

My motto "spills create jobs".

Gotcha, private company or somebody like Clean Harbours ?

 

[hog88]

Gotcha, private company or somebody like Clean Harbours ?

We're small about 45 employees around the country.

Clean Harbors is the devil. Or they bought the devil.

 

[FLVOL69]

We're small about 45 employees around the country.

Clean Harbors is the devil. Or they bought the devil.

Where are you out of? What do you do specifically ? Just curious, we're in a similar line of work..

 

[hog88]

Where are you out of? What do you do specifically ? Just curious, we're in a similar line of work..

Nashville is home office, have satellites in Tampa, Houston, Raleigh, Hartford and Vegas. Vacuum trucks, used oil, storm water BMP inspection, maintenance, installation and a few other things.

I handle the murder for hire and sabotage branch.

 

[FLVOL69]

Nashville is home office, have satellites in Tampa, Houston, Raleigh, Hartford and Vegas. Vacuum trucks, used oil, storm water BMP inspection, maintenance, installation and a few other things.

I handle the murder for hire and sabotage branch.

Then you're a competitor, we do used oil, vac svc and spill response as well...Hmm

 

[hog88]

Then you're a competitor, we do used oil, vac svc and spill response as well...Hmm

It's on like donkey kong then!

 

[82_VOL_83]

I disagree. I think both are equal, but siding with the individual's right to self defense.

And my thinking is that any employer that wouldn't allow you to bring firearms in your privately owned vehicle onto company property will also not respect other rights. (such as privacy)

And I would question their ability to protect said individuals as well.

This is interesting. I wonder if this applies to federal installations also? Smoking is an excellent example. The employer is restricting the employee from smoking to or from work also. So when you get in your car in the morning for that 50 mile commute and leave in the afternoon for the same you can't smoke. Many companies now with a no tobacco use on campus policy. What if that was no tobacco possession, would be the same as the law was.

 

[82_VOL_83]

There is no right to privacy at work.

Try to film me taking a crap and see how quickly I own you.

 

[82_VOL_83]

It's crap but it's also fact. Your vehicle is subject to search at any time on company property. That goes for your lunch box, phone, pockets anything. I think the line is drawn at strip searches but not sure.

Only if it is in your company handbook or an employee acknowledges such during the hiring process. Otherwise you have no search authority.

 

[82_VOL_83]

Their on my property.

Y'all should read your employee handbook, I'd bet it's in there. We had an HR consultant do ours so I'd imagine it's pretty standard.

So you have a company handbook. That is what gives you that right as part of the employment agreement. Otherwise the vehicle is private property.

 

[McDad]

Haslam is a huge disappointment. He's turning into another Republican POS like Sundquist.

Of course. Another East TN, moderate, squish republican.

 

[82_VOL_83]

Of course. Another East TN, moderate, squish republican.

He is anti second. I pointed this out on the forum prior to his election. I used to have email to the effect. Hard drive died and I lost it.

 

[hndog609]

In Chicago of all places.

Uber driver with shotgun, conealed carry permit, wounds Chicago gunman, report says - CBS News

This would probably have been a bigger story if the guy had wasted a bunch of people instead of being taken out by a legally armed citizen. And so it goes...

 

[Grand Vol]

Interesting flip of opinion.

Pew first: Gun rights top gun control in major public opinion shift | WashingtonExaminer.com

Exactly two years after President Obama's bid for gun control following the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting died in Congress, a new poll has discovered a huge shift in public opinion to backing Second Amendment gun rights and away from controlling gun ownership.

The reason: Americans now believe having a gun is the best way to protect against crime, 63 percent to 30 percent.

Pew Research Center found that while support for gun control once reached 66 percent, it has dropped to 46 percent while support for gun rights has jumped 52 percent, the highest ever in the past 25 years.