Gun control debate (merged)

[theFallGuy]

Define mentally unwell.

liberal democrats

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

Define mentally unwell.

Liberal.
Thanks for the softball. I think it will return from orbit when Jean Luc Picard is an Ensign

Damn. Fall Guy beat me by 2 hours. :cray:

 

[Grand Vol]

Damn. Fall Guy beat me by 2 hours. :cray:

Hope you don't need basic math for your job

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

Hope you don't need basic math for your job

:lolabove::lolabove: D'OH.

 

[82_VOL_83]

Here's where the VA blocks gun purchases from returning vets:

Grassley: DOJ gun ban unfair to veterans | TheHill

Now, will government regulated Obamacare and Medicare provide the same means of gun control in the future? It remains to be seen.

If you look at the physician thread I started in the Pub, can you put two and two together? What should you tell your physician about your mental condition?

I have been asked these type questions twice in the last couple of weeks. I refused to answer once and told the other doctor that I had never been happier.

 

[Grand Vol]

Good stuff:

Tennessee governor amends 'Guns in Parking Lots' law to protect workers | Fox News

The Second Amendment spat began in 2013, when Gov. Bill Haslam signed into law the controversial “Guns in Parking Lots" bill. But the original law, which stated citizens with permits to carry guns can keep them in their cars on company property even if the employer bars them, only protected citizens against prosecution, not firing. The Tennessee Firearms Association dubbed the law the “Lose Your Job if You Commute Act.”

Now, pro-gun politicians say they have fixed the law.

“No employer shall discharge or take any adverse employment action against an employee solely for transporting or storing a firearm or firearms ammunition in an employer parking area,” reads an amended version of the bill, signed into law earlier this month by Haslam, a Republican.

And the screeeeeeeeching

“It’s outrageous,” said House Democratic Caucus Chairman Mike Stewart, who told FoxNews.com businesses are now forced to allow people with weapons on their private property. “What’s next? Are we going to have a law that forces a family to let an armed person into their living room? Where does it stop?”

Wonder if he exaggerates much?

 

[hog88]

Good stuff:

Tennessee governor amends 'Guns in Parking Lots' law to protect workers | Fox News



And the screeeeeeeeching



Wonder if he exaggerates much?

Haslam is a huge disappointment. He's turning into another Republican POS like Sundquist.

 

[Grand Vol]

Haslam is a huge disappointment. He's turning into another Republican POS like Sundquist.

He signed it into law. Or is this a thread drift?

 

[hog88]

He signed it into law. Or is this a thread drift?

I am 100% opposed to any law restricting employers right to fire or property rights.

 

[MG1968]

I am 100% opposed to any law restricting employers right to fire or property rights.

So an employer with a strict no smoking policy should be allowed to fire an employee who smokes at home? Even if the employee doesn't come to work smelling like an ashtray?

 

[Grand Vol]

I am 100% opposed to any law restricting employers right to fire or property rights.

It's only restricting firing for carrying a weapon in a vehicle. And that cannot be the sole purpose. it doesn't protect a worker that is fired with cause.

I will admit, it does pose an interesting philosophical question here. Do employers property rights trump your inherent right to self defense?

 

[hog88]

So an employer with a strict no smoking policy should be allowed to fire an employee who smokes at home? Even if the employee doesn't come to work smelling like an ashtray?

Absolutely. They have that right now, TN is a right to work state.

 

[hog88]

It's only restricting firing for carrying a weapon in a vehicle. And that cannot be the sole purpose. it doesn't protect a worker that is fired with cause.

I will admit, it does pose an interesting philosophical question here. Do employers property rights trump your inherent right to self defense?

To me, no. Property rights come first.

 

[MG1968]

Absolutely. They have that right now, TN is a right to work state.

I get that an employer in a RTW state doesn't have to have a reason to fire someone. However, that doesn't take away the idiocy factor of firing someone for something that does not affect the employees job performance, or the employer's bottom line in any way, shape or form.

Smoking may be a bad example, of course.

 

[hog88]

I get that an employer in a RTW state doesn't have to have a reason to fire someone. However, that doesn't take away the idiocy factor of firing someone for something that does not affect the employees job performance, or the employer's bottom line in any way, shape or form.

Smoking may be a bad example, of course.

Yeah, I understand the sentiment but believe fully in an employer having the right to fire at will. He'll our handbook clearly states you can be fired for bringing a firearm onto company property. Seeing that I have a pistol in my desk and a couple shotguns in my closet we don't really enforce it.

 

[Grand Vol]

Yeah, I understand the sentiment but believe fully in an employer having the right to fire at will. He'll our handbook clearly states you can be fired for bringing a firearm onto company property. Seeing that I have a pistol in my desk and a couple shotguns in my closet we don't really enforce it.

The problem is there are employers that would enforce that.

So again, does a company's private property rights trump an individual's right to self defense? Or what they keep in their own personal property?

 

[hog88]

The problem is there are employers that would enforce that.

So again, does a company's private property rights trump an individual's right to self defense? Or what they keep in their own personal property?

Yes.

 

[Grand Vol]

Yes.

I disagree. I think both are equal, but siding with the individual's right to self defense.

And my thinking is that any employer that wouldn't allow you to bring firearms in your privately owned vehicle onto company property will also not respect other rights. (such as privacy)

And I would question their ability to protect said individuals as well.

 

[hog88]

I disagree. I think both are equal, but siding with the individual's right to self defense.

And my thinking is that any employer that wouldn't allow you to bring firearms in your privately owned vehicle onto company property will also not respect other rights. (such as privacy)

And I would question their ability to protect said individuals as well.

There is no right to privacy at work.

 

[Grand Vol]

There is no right to privacy at work.

Even in your own personal vehicle?

 

[hog88]

Even in your own personal vehicle?

Nope.

 

[Grand Vol]

Nope.

I'll disagree.

Put up with that crap for 20 years. Thought it was crap then, still think it's crap now.

 

[Mtntrout]

So which position is more conservative: right to have guns on someone else's property or right to fire employees at will?

 

[hog88]

I'll disagree.

Put up with that crap for 20 years. Thought it was crap then, still think it's crap now.

It's crap but it's also fact. Your vehicle is subject to search at any time on company property. That goes for your lunch box, phone, pockets anything. I think the line is drawn at strip searches but not sure.

 

[davethevol]

It's crap but it's also fact. Your vehicle is subject to search at any time on company property. That goes for your lunch box, phone, pockets anything. I think the line is drawn at strip searches but not sure.

Did you and GrandVol switch accounts or something? You sound just like an overzealous cop that you claim to despise.