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Grand Vol said:
I'll disagree that common sense and discretion is taken out of the mix and that departments actively look for those with unquestioning loyalty to enforcing the law. Having said that to say this, I think age is a huge factor in that process. The younger guys are the ones wanting to go out and rock people's worlds. The older guys tend to be the more level headed (read lazy) ones that let you go with a wag of the naughty finger and a "don't do it again."
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I've heard from many of my LE friends that their DAs have quietly instructed them to make everything official, write the citation, make an arrest etc. and let the courts sort out the situation. They've unofficially removed much of the patrol officer's discretion. Consequently, you have less warnings issued and no ability to not arrest even if letting the person go and picking them up later would be safer for everyone involved. You also have more urgency and a greater need to use force to make arrests under circumstances that a little bit of time and distance might make a lot less violent. Anecdotal evidence only, but interesting discussions about this--and much of it is due to insurance liability rather than actual law enforcement needs.
 
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YorkVol said:
As to the equal consequences for all, I disagree (respectfully of course!). Any professional should be willing to be held to a higher standard for executing their responsibilities. If you are recruited, trained and licensed to perform a professional function, you should be expected to meet a higher standard then a layman. Doctors, lawyers, clergy, master plumbers, electricians, police, et al, know they have a responsibility that is greater then the average citizen and should willingly accept the extra scrutiny and accountability that comes with those expectations.
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I'll disagree from a broad viewpoint. I don't think anyone needs to be held any more or less accountable for their actions. Whether that's a doctor, teacher, police, et al. I believe the same standards across the board should be applied to an individual, regardless of a profession or civil status.

Scrutiny, yes. Accountability, no special treatment either way.
 
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lawgator1 said:
It is not interesting to talk about the tens of thousands of police interactions that happen every day that are purely professional and helpful to people.
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I had one Sunday and one Monday, and both went quite well. One involved joking with a policeman about him messing up my plan to steal a new car at a GM dealership Sunday, while I was looking at cars. The other involved a large black bear laying 10 feet from my house last night, eating 40 pounds of bird seed from a trash can. He laid there for 30 minutes. Thanks for what you do, guys.
 
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lawgator1 said:
It is not interesting to talk about the tens of thousands of police interactions that happen every day that are purely professional and helpful to people.
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True. Talking about directing traffic after large sporting events is quite boring. But damn, I sure do appreciate that valuable skill.
 
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hog88 said:
Please explain how they prevent crimes? They may delay some crimes but prevent, I don't think they prevent many.

Ok, reasonable explanations on the rest of them.
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They're a deterrent not a preventive..... Look at lower Broad downtown..... Big police presence..... Low crime zone....
 
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hog88 said:
We still have people who pump septic tanks, so there will always be someone who wants the job.
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Thankfully, we still have people who pump septic tanks. It is a necessary service that I have used twice in 2 years. The septic overflowed in the house that we sold in 2013, just after the inspection and before the closing, and again in the house we moved to about a year later. Thanks septic people. Some of us appreciate the job that you do.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Improper hand signal and performing fellatio...

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7L1bPdGYYM[/youtube]
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It's crazy to me is how comfortable the officer obviously felt doing that. There was absolutely no sense of hesitation or dobut about basically illegally detaining a citizen so he could teach him a lesson.

Ya wanna know why he felt so comfortable doing this? My best guess is because he probably does it all time.
 
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Cdywolfe said:
It's crazy to me is how comfortable the officer obviously felt doing that. There was absolutely no sense of hesitation or dobut about basically illegally detaining a citizen so he could teach him a lesson.

Ya wanna know why he felt so comfortable doing this? My best guess is because he probably does it all time.
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There are no repercussions for doing so. If the guy would have been driving an expensive car and wearing a suit the stop would have lasted less than 2 min if stopped at all.
 
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Cdywolfe said:
It's crazy to me is how comfortable the officer obviously felt doing that. There was absolutely no sense of hesitation or dobut about basically illegally detaining a citizen so he could teach him a lesson.

Ya wanna know why he felt so comfortable doing this? My best guess is because he probably does it all time.
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There was a follow up with the sheriff and he said that vehicle was not supposed to be out conducting traffic stops. Those cops were in the wrong and their boss at least admitted it.

Still, it's disturbing.
 
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davethevol said:
There was a follow up with the sheriff and he said that vehicle was not supposed to be out conducting traffic stops. Those cops were in the wrong and their boss at least admitted it.

Still, it's disturbing.
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I liked how the cops wanted argue technicalities with the driver/civilian. I guess technically, it is not a tank, but obviously, to the average person, this looks like a militarized vehicle.
 
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davethevol said:
There was a follow up with the sheriff and he said that vehicle was not supposed to be out conducting traffic stops. Those cops were in the wrong and their boss at least admitted it.

Still, it's disturbing.
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Any mention by the sheriff regarding the fact that one of his deputies manufactured probable cause in order to illegally detain a citizen?

On my list of issues that I have with this situation I'm not sure if the vehicle the cops were using even makes the top 3.
 
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Were the cops douches?..... Yes.... But what precipitated the event?..... Yep.... The guy was being a dumbass and giving the cops the finger.

These stories are like Groundhog Day.....
 
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Carl Pickens said:
Were the cops douches?..... Yes.... But what precipitated the event?..... Yep.... The guy was being a dumbass and giving the cops the finger.

These stories are like Groundhog Day.....
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If you can't detain someone for flipping you off why should a cop?
 
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hog88 said:
If you can't detain someone for flipping you off why should a cop?
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If you flip somebody off, and they proceed to kidnap you and lock you in a torture chamber for 30 years, it is your own damn fault for being a rude dumbass. Is the serial kidnapper/torturer wrong? Of course, but it was all precipitated by your flagrant disregard for hand signaling etiquette.
 
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Carl Pickens said:
Were the cops douches?..... Yes.... But what precipitated the event?..... Yep.... The guy was being a dumbass and giving the cops the finger.

These stories are like Groundhog Day.....
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No kidding.....the guy was trying to instigate a fight....the guy was an idiot.
 
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